From christof.hoeke at e-7.com  Tue Feb  8 11:35:57 2005
From: christof.hoeke at e-7.com (christof.hoeke@e-7.com)
Date: Tue Feb  8 05:36:07 2005
Subject: [XForms] Xforms or XHTML 1.0 Forms Module
Message-ID: <96849388D2102F40AEF198798540F2E1E6B8E2@gt1mail1.gt.da-ag.local>

Hi,
A question regarding which forms dialect to choose as a basis for a web application processing framework.

Background
We developed a custom XML format to be used to describe and process (web) forms which itself is part of a custom XML format basically describing (web) pages and a processing/workflow part.
For the frontend it is transformed via XSLT to HTML/CSS to target desktop browsers (may later also be PDA or whatever). So the format has to include enough information for a semantically sufficient processing in it (accessibility is an issue). The layout information is in the enclosing format.
For the backend the same format is used for a kind of basic workflow and of course the processing of the input data (delegation to other applications, storing, validation etc).

For the next version currently in development the format needs to be changed anyway (not the best yet as it is more or less a pure layout format yet and not even complete regarding all form possibilities [grouping of option elements etc]). 
So we thought of using a standard format for the forms part of the format (which currently cannot be changed as a whole as it is also used for CMS generated static pages and which should not be needed anyway if just adding forms as a module). 

Anyway, we looked into Xforms (XTHML 2.0 forms) but wondered if they bring enough advantages compared to the second option, using simply XHTML 1.0 Forms.

Xforms:
- new format, needs to be learned and implemented, higher learning curve+ new standard and therefore possibly more futureproove format
- for basic layout information maybe label needing to be child of input (is this actually mandatory?) cannot easily be transformed to the HTML <label for="ID"> <input id="ID"> possibility
+ includes validation and separation of model and view
... Lots more of course

XHTML 1.0 Forms:
+ lots of experience, known format and fairly simple, easy to use
+ of course includes all elements we need for a transformation to HTML (fieldset/legend, input+label, @accesskey, @tabindex etc)
- validation/data-types and other stuff needs to be added with custom or Xforms parts
...

Maybe we don't yet understand Xforms right, but at the moment we tend to use XHTML 1.0 forms for the following reasons/questions, maybe anyone can share his opinions?
* can Xforms describe *all* possible HTML form elements without the need to add custom extensions? 
	* above <label for="ID"> <input id="ID"> example which seems difficult in XForms
	* fieldset/legend elements, select/optgroup/option elements etc
* submitting XML from the browser does not work yet so this part of Xforms would have to be committed anyway
* new widgets (range widget) cannot be used on browsers yet either
* workload to integrate Xforms compared to XHTML 1.0 forms seems much higher 
* later migration to xforms should not be too difficult

Any opinions would be great, thanks a lot 
chris


From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Tue Feb  8 12:55:01 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Tue Feb  8 06:55:09 2005
Subject: [XForms] Xforms or XHTML 1.0 Forms Module
In-Reply-To: <96849388D2102F40AEF198798540F2E1E6B8E2@gt1mail1.gt.da-ag.local>
	(christof hoeke's message of "Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:35:57 +0100")
References: <96849388D2102F40AEF198798540F2E1E6B8E2@gt1mail1.gt.da-ag.local>
Message-ID: <liyy8dznu5m.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Christof" ==   <christof.hoeke@e-7.com> writes:

Christof> Hi, A question regarding which forms dialect to choose as a
Christof> basis for a web application processing framework.

Hello, you found the wrong xforms list. This list is for discussing
the old and venerable xforms GUI toolkit, not the new and exciting
XForms w3c standard (or whatever) :)

JMarc
From psg at debian.org  Tue Feb  8 09:22:41 2005
From: psg at debian.org (Peter S Galbraith)
Date: Tue Feb  8 09:22:48 2005
Subject: [XForms] Re: XForms: Documentation 
In-Reply-To: Message from "T.C. Zhao" <tc_zhao@yahoo.com> 
	<20030908154838.51918.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com> 
References: <20030908154838.51918.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com> 
Message-ID: <20050208142241.8683AAB07E@mixing.qc.dfo.ca>

On Sept 8th 2003, T.C. Zhao <tc_zhao@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Sorry for the delay and thanks for the info. GPL it is.
> 
> I am currently travelling and will be back home end of September. Expect the
> free manual in October sometime.
> 
> -TC
> --- Peter S Galbraith <psg@debian.org> wrote:
> > To subscribers of the xforms list
> > 
> > 
> > T.C. Zhao <tc_zhao@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > All I need to do is boot up my old linux box and recover the doc
> > > and send it.  Will do this sometime in April (I've been travelling,
> > > and am sending this email from Tokyo).
> > > -TC
> > 
> > Hi T.C.,
> > 
> > I really hate to keep nagging you like this.  :-)
> > 
> > You meant to release the sources of the XForms manual last April but
> > never got around to it.  This is a reminder.  Also, please avoid using
> > the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) since it not a free software
> > license and therefore cannot be included in the Debian distribution.
> > Using the GPL would be fine.

Hello T.C.,

Consider this another nudge to release the sources of the XForms
manual.  On the plus side, I didn't nag you in 2004.  ;-)

Please consider taking some time to actually do this now, while the
sources still exist, and before you get hit by a bus or something and
they are gone forever.  The XForms sources have been free for a long
time now (Thanks!) and they really should have free documentation.

Thanks,
-- 
Peter S. Galbraith, Debian Developer          <psg@debian.org>
                                 http://people.debian.org/~psg
GPG key 1024/D2A913A1 - 97CE 866F F579 96EE  6E68 8170 35FF 799E
From msz at astrouw.edu.pl  Fri Mar 11 22:24:12 2005
From: msz at astrouw.edu.pl (Michal Szymanski)
Date: Fri Mar 11 16:24:42 2005
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
Message-ID: <20050311212412.GA13751@astrouw.edu.pl>

Hi,

I have a pretty complicated XForms application for controlling the
telscope. One of the object used is a "normal" (no selection) browser
for displaying messages to the user. I have noticed that the mouse wheel
(functioning, as reported by "xev", as Button 4 & 5) works mostly as
expected, i.e. scrolling the browser. Howerver, quite often, possibly
(although I am not sure) when the browser has many lines and I rotate
the wheel fast, the whole application crashes badly.

As such a crash is a very bad thing while the user is observing with the
telescope, I would like to disable the wheel, possibly only for that
browser (or my XForms application), as it worls fine in other
applications like xterm or mozilla. Is it doable?

regards, Michal. 

-- 
  Michal Szymanski (msz at astrouw dot edu dot pl)
  Warsaw University Observatory, Warszawa, POLAND
From jac4 at mindless.com  Sun Mar 13 01:21:04 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Sun Mar 13 01:21:17 2005
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
Message-ID: <20050313062104.5B3C4CDA29@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

> As such a crash is a very bad thing while the user is observing with the
> telescope, I would like to disable the wheel, possibly only for that
> browser (or my XForms application), as it worls fine in other
> applications like xterm or mozilla. Is it doable?

I am not certain, but you may be able to do this with fl_set_object_prehandler(). You can set a prehandler for your browser and check to see if the xevent is a mouse wheel button event. If it is then return FL_PREEMPT from the prehandler, and that should prevent the event from reaching the browser.

Documentation is here:
http://www.public.iastate.edu/~xforms/node6.html#6888

It's weird that it crashes, though. When you say it only happens in browsers with a lot of items, how many items is "a lot"?

Jason

From xforms2 at vjet.demon.co.uk  Sun Mar 13 22:11:44 2005
From: xforms2 at vjet.demon.co.uk (Clive A Stubbings)
Date: Sun Mar 13 17:47:36 2005
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
Message-ID: <200503132211.j2DMBiQ3001137@vjet.demon.co.uk>

Michal Szymanski  said:

> Howerver, quite often, possibly
> (although I am not sure) when the browser has many lines and I rotate
> the wheel fast, the whole application crashes badly.

jason cipriani said:

> It's weird that it crashes, though. When you say it only happens in
> browsers with a lot of items, how many items is "a lot"?

I'm with Jason on this one. I'd bet its a code bug in your app.. I use
big browser lists and I had exactly the same symptom. I spent a while 
suspecting xforms too - but it was me ;-(

If it helps at all, in my case, the root cause was it was a callback
being called with no line selected in the browser. I didn't check,
and ended up dereferenced a wild pointer and core-dumped.

Cheers
Clive
From msz at astrouw.edu.pl  Mon Mar 14 05:27:16 2005
From: msz at astrouw.edu.pl (Michal Szymanski)
Date: Sun Mar 13 23:27:26 2005
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
In-Reply-To: <200503132211.j2DMBiQ3001137@vjet.demon.co.uk>
References: <200503132211.j2DMBiQ3001137@vjet.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20050314042716.GA17162@astrouw.edu.pl>

> > Howerver, quite often, possibly
> > (although I am not sure) when the browser has many lines and I rotate
> > the wheel fast, the whole application crashes badly.
> 
> jason cipriani said:
> 
> > It's weird that it crashes, though. When you say it only happens in
> > browsers with a lot of items, how many items is "a lot"?
> 
> I'm with Jason on this one. I'd bet its a code bug in your app.. I use
> big browser lists and I had exactly the same symptom. I spent a while 
> suspecting xforms too - but it was me ;-(
> 
> If it helps at all, in my case, the root cause was it was a callback
> being called with no line selected in the browser. I didn't check,
> and ended up dereferenced a wild pointer and core-dumped.

It well might be a code bug. As I said before, the crashes are random
and my guess to link them to the number of lines in the browser and/or
the speed of rotating the mice wheel may be wrong. Unfortunately it is a
kind of "production" application, controlling real hardware, so I cannot
make too many experiments.

"A lot of lines" may be several thousand. The browser gets the messages
from the telescope control system, I would estimate this to 1600-1800
lines per night and the program can run several weeks if everything is
going fine.

As for the "callback" suggestion: it is a FL_NORMAL_BROWSER, so AFAIK
there should be no interaction requiring callbacks. Just the scrolling.

I managed to disable mouse buttons 4 & 5 (wheel) for the browser using
"prehandler".

regards, Michal.

-- 
  Michal Szymanski (msz at astrouw dot edu dot pl)
  Warsaw University Observatory, Warszawa, POLAND
From jac4 at mindless.com  Mon Mar 14 00:16:20 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Mon Mar 14 00:16:26 2005
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
Message-ID: <20050314051620.9FBD62000B@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

> It well might be a code bug. As I said before, the crashes are random
> and my guess to link them to the number of lines in the browser and/or
> the speed of rotating the mice wheel may be wrong. Unfortunately it is a
> kind of "production" application, controlling real hardware, so I cannot
> make too many experiments.
> 
> "A lot of lines" may be several thousand. The browser gets the messages
> from the telescope control system, I would estimate this to 1600-1800
> lines per night and the program can run several weeks if everything is
> going fine.

Not related to XForms, but here's a design hint: If your application crashes, and that's really bad, write another program that constantly watches your application to see if it crashes, and restarts it if it does. For example, a program that fork+exec's your program, then waitpid's for it to terminate. I also write software to control/automate a lot of hardware stuff, and I speak from many unpleasant experiences. ;( Not much worse than coming back to work on Monday only to find your software crashed sometime Saturday morning.

Alternatively, if you don't trust your toolkit, I might also recommend taking more of a client/server approach where your "server" is always controlling/logging telescope data and your "client" is a separate process that is just a GUI that you can monitor the server with. That way, if XForms hiccups, the GUI will crash but you won't lose any data/control.

Anyways I made a browser with 30000 lines in it just for grins and moved the wheel up and down for about 5 whole minutes with no problems, I'd look into other areas to find the problem. Disabling the mouse wheel may solve one of the symptoms but if it's a weird bug then you don't know what other problems may be going on behind the scenes.

Well, good luck with your application. Sounds interesting. :)

From dstrang at chartermi.net  Thu Apr  7 22:02:24 2005
From: dstrang at chartermi.net (David Strang)
Date: Thu Apr  7 21:01:21 2005
Subject: [XForms] CygWin and Xforms 1.0.2
Message-ID: <000e01c53bd6$a1543e20$6401a8c0@athlon24>

I have been trying to get this version of xforms fully functional under Cygwin 
and now is time for enabling the GL demos. Configure can't find the glx header
file even though GL is installed and  glx.h and other GL files seem to exist
inside the "C:\cygwin\usr\X11R6\include\GL" folder. 

Could this be a path issue? But why doesn't GL get searched but the rest of
the stuff does?

Doesn't configure know where the GL stuff exists?

Any help here is appreciated...it must be something I'm over looking.

Regards,
Dave Strang

From jason.bentz at lmco.com  Tue Apr 19 13:40:29 2005
From: jason.bentz at lmco.com (Bentz, Jason)
Date: Tue Apr 19 13:48:48 2005
Subject: [XForms] xforms Window Moving Problem
Message-ID: <BE12A2C28D407645B76E15220BAAD9CF751659@emss02m19.us.lmco.com>

I'm using xforms-1.0.90 installed on Red Hat Linux Enterprise 3.0, and
have a GUI that was designed using xforms.  The problem I'm experiencing
is when trying to move the window that the GUI is in, on the desktop.
When I click & hold on the menu bar to move the window around the
desktop, sometimes I move the mouse pointer, and the window does not
follow, or will jump to the current location of the pointer after a
couple seconds.  It's very annoying, because it's unpredictable as to
what it will do.
 
I started playing around with some of the demo files, so that users
would be able to confirm or deny my findings.
 
fbrowse:
    One click on the menu bar (click and release) allows moving of the
window, then clicking (and release) to drop the window in it's place.
It takes about 2 seconds to respond to this first click though (the
window stays in it's current location, then jumps to the pointer
location).  Clicking and holding seems to respond the same way.
 
wwwl:
    Same as above.
 
cursor:
    Click and hold, then drag only responds every other time.  (I.E., if
I do that procedure once, the window moves, a second time, it doesn't, a
third time it does, a forth time it doesn't.)
 
symbols:
    Click and hold, then drag does not work at all, but if you unclick,
the window then follows the cursor.
 
Has anyone experienced these problems and come up with a work around for
it?  I would prefer that it respond as Windows does, in that you have to
click and hold, then drag, then release to drop the window.  When we had
this GUI working on an old DEC Alpha workstation, it behaved in this
way.
 

Jason

From xyzzy at speakeasy.org  Tue Apr 19 13:48:37 2005
From: xyzzy at speakeasy.org (Trent Piepho)
Date: Tue Apr 19 15:48:44 2005
Subject: [XForms] xforms Window Moving Problem
In-Reply-To: <BE12A2C28D407645B76E15220BAAD9CF751659@emss02m19.us.lmco.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.04.10504191246100.14543-100000@c-24-18-248-22.hsd1.wa.comcast.net>

On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Bentz, Jason wrote:
> I'm using xforms-1.0.90 installed on Red Hat Linux Enterprise 3.0, and
> have a GUI that was designed using xforms.  The problem I'm experiencing
> is when trying to move the window that the GUI is in, on the desktop.
> When I click & hold on the menu bar to move the window around the
> desktop, sometimes I move the mouse pointer, and the window does not
> follow, or will jump to the current location of the pointer after a
> couple seconds.  It's very annoying, because it's unpredictable as to
> what it will do.

This sounds like a function of the window manager, and not xforms.  Does this
only happen with xforms programs, or can you duplicate it with something else
like xclock or firefox?

From jason.bentz at lmco.com  Tue Apr 19 15:56:02 2005
From: jason.bentz at lmco.com (Bentz, Jason)
Date: Tue Apr 19 15:56:24 2005
Subject: [XForms] xforms Window Moving Problem
Message-ID: <BE12A2C28D407645B76E15220BAAD9CF754932@emss02m19.us.lmco.com>

Actually, I was just about to reply and let you all know that it appears
to be an Xwindows thing, not xforms.

If I use ktimer (accessories), I also get the strange behavior.  When
looking in Preferences>>Windows, I see the setting, hold-to-move window
(which is set to ALT).  There is no way to turn this off, at least with
the GUI interface.  A normal terminal window is able to be moved by just
clicking & holding the left mouse button, but to click & hold to move
the xforms windows (or ktimer), I must hold down ALT.

What I'm wondering, if there is a way to disable this hold-to-move
option in the Preferences>>Windows GUI setting?  Maybe there is a way to
manually edit a text file to remove this setting... 

Jason

-----Original Message-----
From: Trent Piepho [mailto:xyzzy@speakeasy.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 2:49 PM
To: Bentz, Jason
Cc: xforms@bob.usuhs.mil
Subject: Re: [XForms] xforms Window Moving Problem

On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Bentz, Jason wrote:
> I'm using xforms-1.0.90 installed on Red Hat Linux Enterprise 3.0, and

> have a GUI that was designed using xforms.  The problem I'm 
> experiencing is when trying to move the window that the GUI is in, on
the desktop.
> When I click & hold on the menu bar to move the window around the 
> desktop, sometimes I move the mouse pointer, and the window does not 
> follow, or will jump to the current location of the pointer after a 
> couple seconds.  It's very annoying, because it's unpredictable as to 
> what it will do.

This sounds like a function of the window manager, and not xforms.  Does
this only happen with xforms programs, or can you duplicate it with
something else like xclock or firefox?



From robert.lawless at ericsson.com  Tue May  3 16:59:39 2005
From: robert.lawless at ericsson.com (Robert Lawless (BH/LMI))
Date: Tue May  3 09:58:00 2005
Subject: [XForms] Xml Schema instance generation using X-forms
Message-ID: <9B90FC9233F6E94493FF4FD8E0BA247DAAFE2E@eiedbnt502>

Hey folk,
i am quite new to X-Forms....i want to use X-Froms to present a UI to the user based on a certain Xml schema....i.e the user enters in data & out pops out an Xml instance according to this schema......would it be possible to make this generic i.e one would be able to attach any schema with X-Forms presenting a suitable UI & when the users inputs the data, out pops the Xml instance according to the inputted schema

thanks in advance 
Rob
From Todd.Denniston at ssa.crane.navy.mil  Tue May  3 11:19:02 2005
From: Todd.Denniston at ssa.crane.navy.mil (Todd Denniston)
Date: Tue May  3 11:19:40 2005
Subject: [XForms] Xml Schema instance generation using X-forms
References: <9B90FC9233F6E94493FF4FD8E0BA247DAAFE2E@eiedbnt502>
Message-ID: <42779666.B20F0051@ssa.crane.navy.mil>

"Robert Lawless (BH/LMI)" wrote:
> 
> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> Hey folk,
> i am quite new to X-Forms....i want to use X-Froms to present a UI to the user based on a certain Xml schema....i.e the user enters in data & out pops out an Xml instance according to this schema......would it be possible to make this generic i.e one would be able to attach any schema with X-Forms presenting a suitable UI & when the users inputs the data, out pops the Xml instance according to the inputted schema
> 
> thanks in advance
> Rob

Rob, lets first make sure you are asking in the correct group, as there has
been some confusion in the past.
To us XForms is described at [1] as:
"XForms is a GUI toolkit based on Xlib for X Window Systems. It features a
rich set of objects, such as buttons, scrollbars, and menus etc. integrated
into an easy and efficient object/event callback execution model that allows
fast and easy construction of X-applications. In addition, the library is
extensible and new objects can easily be created and added to the library."

To the W3C, XForms is described at [2] as:
"XForms" is W3C's name for a specification of Web forms that can be used
with a wide variety of platforms including desktop computers, hand helds,
information appliances, and even paper. XForms started life as a subgroup of
the HTML Working Group, but has now been spun off as an independent
Activity.

IIRC, the GUI toolkit definition predates the W3C definition, but they use
it so we get the confusion.

So, do you want to do a X Windows System GUI, or a Web form? :)
if GUI, please ask again here (with some ideas of how you want to use the
Xml schema in XForms) otherwise see the links on [2] under the heading "The
XForms Public Mailing List" (funny, the W3C does not have a nice page with
links to the subsections of its home page :).

[1] http://world.std.com/~xforms/
[2] http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/

-- 
Todd Denniston
Crane Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC Crane) 
Harnessing the Power of Technology for the Warfighter
From lingzsweet at yahoo.com  Thu May 19 09:23:02 2005
From: lingzsweet at yahoo.com (Lings)
Date: Thu May 19 11:23:01 2005
Subject: [XForms] DTD in Xforms
Message-ID: <20050519152303.65083.qmail@web21323.mail.yahoo.com>

Can I use DTD instead of XML Schema in XForms?


		
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From lingzsweet at yahoo.com  Thu May 19 09:32:27 2005
From: lingzsweet at yahoo.com (Lings)
Date: Thu May 19 11:32:20 2005
Subject: [XForms] XForms User Interface
Message-ID: <20050519153227.94971.qmail@web21327.mail.yahoo.com>

Hallo, I'm very new in xforms. That's why I'm joining this mailing list.
What I want to ask is :
Is ist possible to use another file (xml file) to specifying the input control in my form?
i.e  template.xml
 
<quality_form>
     <text_field>
         <name/>
         <value/>
     </text_field>
     <checkbox>
         <name/>
         <value/>
     </checkbox>
     <text_area>
         <name/>
         <value/>
     </text_area>
</quality_form>

 
This xml file will "tell" my xforms page to contain 1 text field, 1 check box and 1 text area in the user interface section. With name (as label) and value are specified in the xforms page. This form also generated another xml file that will save the data..

template.xml >> xforms >> data.xml
 
So, can XForms handle this? or should I use other application to support xforms? Or maybe any other solutions?

		
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From tompoe at amihost.com  Fri May 27 17:16:45 2005
From: tompoe at amihost.com (tom poe)
Date: Fri May 27 19:17:40 2005
Subject: [XForms] what is the correct URL for download?
Message-ID: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>

ftp://ncmir.ucsd.edu/pub/xforms/linux-i386
doesn't let me download xforms for i386 linux.  I copied the above URL
from the mirror page
http://world.std.com/~xforms/ftp/ftp.html
Thanks,
Tom


From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Sun May 29 15:17:34 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Sun May 29 09:13:07 2005
Subject: [XForms] what is the correct URL for download?
In-Reply-To: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Saturday 28 May 2005 00:16, tom poe wrote:
> To subscribers of the xforms list
>
>
> ftp://ncmir.ucsd.edu/pub/xforms/linux-i386
> doesn't let me download xforms for i386 linux.  I copied the above
> URL from the mirror page
> http://world.std.com/~xforms/ftp/ftp.html
> Thanks,
> Tom

http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms/

Angus
From jac4 at mindless.com  Wed Jul  6 16:11:22 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Fri Aug 26 10:45:37 2005
Subject: [XForms] xforms mailing list
Message-ID: <20050706201121.3269DCDA8F@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

The archive is here, right...?

http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms/

I've been getting 403 forbidden errors there. Where is the archive now?



----- Original Message -----
From: "Angus Leeming" <angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
To: xforms@bob.usuhs.mil
Subject: Re: [XForms] what is the correct URL for download?
Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 14:17:34 +0100

> 
> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> 
> On Saturday 28 May 2005 00:16, tom poe wrote:
> > To subscribers of the xforms list
> >
> >
> > ftp://ncmir.ucsd.edu/pub/xforms/linux-i386
> > doesn't let me download xforms for i386 linux.  I copied the above
> > URL from the mirror page
> > http://world.std.com/~xforms/ftp/ftp.html
> > Thanks,
> > Tom
> 
> http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms/
> 
> Angus
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request@bob.usuhs.mil or see:
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms


From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Wed Jul 20 04:50:25 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Fri Aug 26 10:45:46 2005
Subject: [XForms] Re: xforms mailing list
In-Reply-To: <20050706201121.3269DCDA8F@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20050706201121.3269DCDA8F@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <200507200950.09269.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Wednesday 06 July 2005 21:11, jason cipriani wrote:
> The archive is here, right...?
>
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms/
>
> I've been getting 403 forbidden errors there. Where is the archive
> now?

Looks like we have a problem. Bob?

Old archives:
http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/

Angus


From maili at heisch.inka.de  Fri Aug 19 05:08:15 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Fri Aug 26 10:46:34 2005
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
Message-ID: <20050819110815.07b6b561@emig4.heisch.inka.de>

To subscribers of the xforms list

Hello

I am using xforms-1.0.90 and have a problem with the input object:
while editing, cursor moves two positions at a single keystroke (cursor
left).

Behaviour seems to be a bug in the library, but I'm not sure.

Is there any workaround you know ?


Thanks for any answers,

Gerald
From bob at bob.usuhs.mil  Fri Aug 26 11:18:18 2005
From: bob at bob.usuhs.mil (Robert Williams)
Date: Fri Aug 26 11:17:14 2005
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Message-ID: <430F32BA.3020607@bob.usuhs.mil>

Dear list,

The list went down just prior to my going on vacation.
I had move to a new machine and new version of OS
and mailman.   Sorry about that.
It should be working well now.  

Best Wishes,
Bob Williams
XForms list administrator

From jac4 at mindless.com  Mon Aug 29 21:38:26 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Mon Aug 29 21:38:34 2005
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Message-ID: <20050830013826.F1D70CDA00@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

The list was actually down since at least July 6th (nearly 7 weeks), unless there was a period of uptime in the middle. Although I was apparently the last person ever to post to this list before it came back up, it seems... I received the post I made 7 weeks ago just a few days ago. 403 Forbidden errors, originally, if I'm not mistaken.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Williams" <bob@bob.usuhs.mil>
To: xforms@bob.usuhs.mil
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:18:18 -0400

> 
> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> Dear list,
> 
> The list went down just prior to my going on vacation.
> I had move to a new machine and new version of OS
> and mailman.   Sorry about that.
> It should be working well now.  Best Wishes,
> Bob Williams
> XForms list administrator
> 
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request@bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms


From jac4 at mindless.com  Mon Aug 29 21:39:50 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Mon Aug 29 21:39:52 2005
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Message-ID: <20050830013950.2F069CD9FE@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

Oh, I'm sorry, the 403 errors were for archive access. Which reminds me... what is the correct URL of the xforms mailing list archives now?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Williams" <bob@bob.usuhs.mil>
To: xforms@bob.usuhs.mil
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:18:18 -0400

> 
> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> Dear list,
> 
> The list went down just prior to my going on vacation.
> I had move to a new machine and new version of OS
> and mailman.   Sorry about that.
> It should be working well now.  Best Wishes,
> Bob Williams
> XForms list administrator
> 
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request@bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms


From bob at bob.usuhs.mil  Tue Aug 30 08:24:39 2005
From: bob at bob.usuhs.mil (Robert Williams)
Date: Tue Aug 30 08:23:43 2005
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
In-Reply-To: <20050830013950.2F069CD9FE@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20050830013950.2F069CD9FE@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <43145007.2080103@bob.usuhs.mil>

Dear Jason and list,

The archive access was also broken, I don't know when.
This is now restored, thanks to Jason for seeing this.
The correct URLs are as they were, listed below,
unless I'm missing something else.   The server should be
stable now for the next few years.

Bob,
XForms list admin

jason cipriani wrote:

>To subscribers of the xforms list
>
>Oh, I'm sorry, the 403 errors were for archive access. Which reminds me... what is the correct URL of the xforms mailing list archives now?
>  
>
>_______________________________________________
>To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
>xforms-request@bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
>http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
>XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
>List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
>http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
>Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms
>
>  
>

From maili at heisch.inka.de  Wed Aug 31 00:55:55 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Wed Aug 31 01:04:23 2005
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
Message-ID: <20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>

To subscribers of the xforms list

Hello

I am using xforms-1.0.90 and have a problem with the input object:
while editing, cursor moves two positions at a single keystroke (cursor
left).

Behaviour seems to be a bug in the library, but I'm not sure.

Is there any workaround you know ?


Thanks for any answers,

Gerald
From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Wed Aug 31 04:55:42 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Wed Aug 31 04:55:46 2005
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de> (Gerald Emig's
	message of "Wed, 31 Aug 2005 06:55:55 +0200")
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
Message-ID: <liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili@heisch.inka.de> writes:

Gerald> To subscribers of the xforms list To subscribers of the xforms
Gerald> list

Gerald> Hello

Gerald> I am using xforms-1.0.90 and have a problem with the input
Gerald> object: while editing, cursor moves two positions at a single
Gerald> keystroke (cursor left).

Gerald> Behaviour seems to be a bug in the library, but I'm not sure.

Gerald> Is there any workaround you know ?

I do not know that problem. Could you give more details about your
settings?

JMarc
From maili at heisch.inka.de  Wed Aug 31 06:41:29 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Wed Aug 31 07:04:42 2005
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
Message-ID: <20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de>



On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:55:42 +0200
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes@inria.fr> wrote:

> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> >>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili@heisch.inka.de> writes:
> 
> Gerald> To subscribers of the xforms list To subscribers of the xforms
> Gerald> list
> 
> Gerald> Hello
> 
> Gerald> I am using xforms-1.0.90 and have a problem with the input
> Gerald> object: while editing, cursor moves two positions at a single
> Gerald> keystroke (cursor left).
> 
> Gerald> Behaviour seems to be a bug in the library, but I'm not sure.
> 
> Gerald> Is there any workaround you know ?
> 
> I do not know that problem. Could you give more details about your
> settings?

I use Suse Linux 9.1
I see this double jumping of the cursor in the input object I place on a
form as well as in the attributes dialogue of fdesign.
In a multiline input, hitting return produces two new lines...

Observation: ^b moves left correctly, Cursor Left not.



> 
> JMarc
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request@bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms
From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Wed Aug 31 07:43:02 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Wed Aug 31 07:43:07 2005
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de> (Gerald Emig's
	message of "Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:41:29 +0200")
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
Message-ID: <liyzmqys56h.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili@heisch.inka.de> writes:

Gerald> I use Suse Linux 9.1 I see this double jumping of the cursor
Gerald> in the input object I place on a form as well as in the
Gerald> attributes dialogue of fdesign. In a multiline input, hitting
Gerald> return produces two new lines...

Gerald> Observation: ^b moves left correctly, Cursor Left not.

Did you compile by yourself, or was xforms 1.0.90 bundled by suse?
They apply a big extra patch to xforms to support CJK
(chinese-japanese-korean) input, it this patch is probably not
perfect... 

You could try to report this bug to suse directly, or to build your
own xforms 1.0.90 to see whether it helps.

JMarc
From maili at heisch.inka.de  Wed Aug 31 08:13:13 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Wed Aug 31 09:04:40 2005
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <liyzmqys56h.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyzmqys56h.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
Message-ID: <20050831141313.04d318ee@emig4.heisch.inka.de>

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:43:02 +0200
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes@inria.fr> wrote:

> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> >>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili@heisch.inka.de> writes:
> 
> Gerald> I use Suse Linux 9.1 I see this double jumping of the cursor
> Gerald> in the input object I place on a form as well as in the
> Gerald> attributes dialogue of fdesign. In a multiline input, hitting
> Gerald> return produces two new lines...
> 
> Gerald> Observation: ^b moves left correctly, Cursor Left not.
> 
> Did you compile by yourself, or was xforms 1.0.90 bundled by suse?
> They apply a big extra patch to xforms to support CJK
> (chinese-japanese-korean) input, it this patch is probably not
> perfect... 

Thank you very much for the hint.

I use the Suse package, but I'll try to compile xforms myself as soon as
possible with suse 9.1 (I do not want to break my working environment
at the moment).

In the meanwhile I tried xforms under the recent suse 9.3.
First of all I had to compile the library myself because they do not
support it anymore (at least it seems so).
But with this self compiled lib all works great.


Thank you

Gerald 

> 
> You could try to report this bug to suse directly, or to build your
> own xforms 1.0.90 to see whether it helps.
> 
> JMarc
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request@bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms
From maili at heisch.inka.de  Sat Sep  3 12:20:52 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Sat Sep  3 13:05:55 2005
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <20050831141313.04d318ee@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyzmqys56h.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<20050831141313.04d318ee@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
Message-ID: <20050903182052.6f9902c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>


Hello all,

I compiled xforms myself and this solved the problem.
Thanks for your help.

Gerald


On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:13:13 +0200
Gerald Emig <maili@heisch.inka.de> wrote:

> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:43:02 +0200
> Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes@inria.fr> wrote:
> 
> > To subscribers of the xforms list
> > 
> > >>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili@heisch.inka.de> writes:
> > 
> > Gerald> I use Suse Linux 9.1 I see this double jumping of the cursor
> > Gerald> in the input object I place on a form as well as in the
> > Gerald> attributes dialogue of fdesign. In a multiline input,
> > hitting Gerald> return produces two new lines...
> > 
> > Gerald> Observation: ^b moves left correctly, Cursor Left not.
> > 
> > Did you compile by yourself, or was xforms 1.0.90 bundled by suse?
> > They apply a big extra patch to xforms to support CJK
> > (chinese-japanese-korean) input, it this patch is probably not
> > perfect... 
> 
> Thank you very much for the hint.
> 
> I use the Suse package, but I'll try to compile xforms myself as soon
> as possible with suse 9.1 (I do not want to break my working
> environment at the moment).
> 
> In the meanwhile I tried xforms under the recent suse 9.3.
> First of all I had to compile the library myself because they do not
> support it anymore (at least it seems so).
> But with this self compiled lib all works great.
> 
> 
> Thank you
> 
> Gerald 
> 
> > 
> > You could try to report this bug to suse directly, or to build your
> > own xforms 1.0.90 to see whether it helps.
> > 
> > JMarc
> > _______________________________________________
> > To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> > xforms-request@bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> > http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> > XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> > List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> > http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> > Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request@bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms



Gerald Emig

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From carsten.voss at rmit.edu.au  Mon Oct 10 03:21:34 2005
From: carsten.voss at rmit.edu.au (Carsten Voss)
Date: Mon Oct 10 03:22:14 2005
Subject: [XForms] xforms and glibc 2.3, newer verson available?
Message-ID: <s34aa33f.045@its-gw-inet57.its.rmit.edu.au>

Hi Folks,

I cannot seem to find a source download or an Linux RPM of xforms that will work on glibc2.3?
Any advice most welcome. Thanks.

I have installed version  xforms-0.89-3 which I believe is intended for glibc2.1. Unfortunitely I try and compile wulffman (which uses xforms) I receive referencing errors from libforms.a.

best regards,
Carsten Voss


From dadembro at rockwellcollins.com  Mon Oct 10 10:05:06 2005
From: dadembro at rockwellcollins.com (dadembro@rockwellcollins.com)
Date: Mon Oct 10 10:08:26 2005
Subject: [XForms] xforms and glibc 2.3, newer verson available?
In-Reply-To: <s34aa33f.045@its-gw-inet57.its.rmit.edu.au>
Message-ID: <OF25AB0DAF.0401B0BB-ON85257096.004CE817-85257096.004D5EFD@rockwellcollins.com>

Carsten,

For the latest source try:
      http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms

Slainte,
---d.dembrow



                                                                           
             "Carsten Voss"                                                
             <carsten.voss@rmi                                             
             t.edu.au>                                                  To 
             Sent by:                  <xforms@bob.usuhs.mil>              
             xforms-bounces@bo                                          cc 
             b.usuhs.mil                                                   
                                                                   Subject 
                                       [XForms] xforms and glibc 2.3,      
             10/10/2005 03:21          newer verson available?             
             AM                                                            
                                                                           
                                                                           
                                                                           
                                                                           
                                                                           




To subscribers of the xforms list

Hi Folks,

I cannot seem to find a source download or an Linux RPM of xforms that will
work on glibc2.3?
Any advice most welcome. Thanks.

I have installed version  xforms-0.89-3 which I believe is intended for
glibc2.1. Unfortunitely I try and compile wulffman (which uses xforms) I
receive referencing errors from libforms.a.

best regards,
Carsten Voss


_______________________________________________
To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
xforms-request@bob.usuhs.mil or see:
http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms


From GalbraithP at dfo-mpo.gc.ca  Tue Oct 11 10:54:01 2005
From: GalbraithP at dfo-mpo.gc.ca (Peter Galbraith)
Date: Tue Oct 11 10:54:11 2005
Subject: [XForms] xforms and glibc 2.3, newer verson available? 
In-Reply-To: Message from <dadembro@rockwellcollins.com> of "Mon,
	10 Oct 2005 10:05:06 EDT."
	<OF25AB0DAF.0401B0BB-ON85257096.004CE817-85257096.004D5EFD@rockwellcollins.com>
References: <OF25AB0DAF.0401B0BB-ON85257096.004CE817-85257096.004D5EFD@rockwellcollins.com>
Message-ID: <20051011145401.00A1E10A74A@mixing.qc.dfo.ca>

<dadembro@rockwellcollins.com> wrote:

> For the latest source try:
>       http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms

Debian is still using the stable release 1.0

Given that 1.0.90 has been a candidate for over one year without
apparent problems, would I update Debian with that?

Thanks,

Peter
From gnushi at gmx.net  Sat Oct 22 11:18:59 2005
From: gnushi at gmx.net (Gnu Shi)
Date: Sat Oct 22 11:19:11 2005
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
Message-ID: <1129994339.7002.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>


Hi!

It is a bit hard to find this list. There seems no advertisment at
http://savannah.nongnu.org/mail/?group=xforms

Are you still working on XForms?

GnuShi


-- 

From jac4 at mindless.com  Sat Oct 22 14:25:41 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Sat Oct 22 14:25:45 2005
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
Message-ID: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

> Hi!
> 
> It is a bit hard to find this list. There seems no advertisment at
> http://savannah.nongnu.org/mail/?group=xforms
> 
> Are you still working on XForms?
> 
> GnuShi

I have been wondering the same thing. There has not been an update in quite 
some time. A while ago, there was a flurry of patches and activity but a new 
official release never came out.

Speaking of which, if you're looking for a new maintainer or some help... 
*cough* *cough*. Although it's been some time since I personally dug into the 
code at all, but I can definitely think of a few improvements here and there. 
In any case if you guys are planning on another official release any time 
soon I do have some things here and there I'd like to fix that I can submit 
patches for. XForms seems to be getting a bit old and dusty.

Jason

> 
> 
> --
> 
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request@bob.usuhs.mil or see:
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms


From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Mon Oct 24 08:54:12 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Mon Oct 24 08:54:18 2005
Subject: [XForms] xforms and glibc 2.3, newer verson available?
In-Reply-To: <20051011145401.00A1E10A74A@mixing.qc.dfo.ca> (Peter Galbraith's
	message of "Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:54:01 -0400")
References: <OF25AB0DAF.0401B0BB-ON85257096.004CE817-85257096.004D5EFD@rockwellcollins.com>
	<20051011145401.00A1E10A74A@mixing.qc.dfo.ca>
Message-ID: <liyk6g313ez.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Peter" == Peter Galbraith <GalbraithP@dfo-mpo.gc.ca> writes:

Peter> To subscribers of the xforms list
Peter> <dadembro@rockwellcollins.com> wrote:

>> For the latest source try:
>> http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms

Peter> Debian is still using the stable release 1.0

Peter> Given that 1.0.90 has been a candidate for over one year
Peter> without apparent problems, would I update Debian with that?

Yes, I think you should.

JMarc
From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Mon Oct 24 09:03:23 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Mon Oct 24 09:03:29 2005
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
In-Reply-To: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> (jason
	cipriani's message of "Sat, 22 Oct 2005 13:25:41 -0500")
References: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <liyirvn12zo.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "jason" == jason cipriani <jac4@mindless.com> writes:

jason> I have been wondering the same thing. There has not been an
jason> update in quite some time. A while ago, there was a flurry of
jason> patches and activity but a new official release never came out.

The sad truth is that nothing is happening. We should have released
xforms 1.1 ages ago and there is no sign that this is going to
happen... 

jason> Speaking of which, if you're looking for a new maintainer or
jason> some help... *cough* *cough*. Although it's been some time
jason> since I personally dug into the code at all, but I can
jason> definitely think of a few improvements here and there. 

It might be a good solution indeed, although I can't speak for Angus.

jason> In any case if you guys are planning on another official
jason> release any time soon I do have some things here and there I'd
jason> like to fix that I can submit patches for.

I can't speak for Angus, but personally I'd like at least to release a
1.1 version with what we have now (plus the fl_set_locale() patch that
I never got around to apply). What do you have in store?

jason> XForms seems to be getting a bit old and dusty.

Sure.

JMarc
From Gayle.C.Roth at nasa.gov  Mon Oct 24 09:55:27 2005
From: Gayle.C.Roth at nasa.gov (Gayle C Roth)
Date: Mon Oct 24 09:55:37 2005
Subject: [XForms] xforms on VMS
Message-ID: <5.1.1.5.2.20051024094416.0100b8f0@popserve.grc.nasa.gov>

Hi,

I'm using a version of xforms I built on a VMS 7.3-2 system.  The 
application I'm building necessitates the use of a hibernate/wake mechanism 
(the program I'm working with calls the VMS system service 
sys$hiber).  I've found that, at least initially, a single call to 
sys$hiber is not enough -- it takes 2 calls to sys$hiber before the program 
actually hibernates.  I further discovered that this is because xforms is 
somehow setting the "wake-pending" bit.  Does anyone have an idea why and 
where xforms is setting this bit, and how I can keep it from happening?

Thanks,
Gayle


From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Tue Oct 25 05:18:53 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Tue Oct 25 05:16:55 2005
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
In-Reply-To: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <200510251018.53224.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Saturday 22 October 2005 19:25, jason cipriani wrote:
> > It is a bit hard to find this list. There seems no advertisment at
> > http://savannah.nongnu.org/mail/?group=xforms

Patches are always welcome. Personally, I've no real html skills.

> > Are you still working on XForms?

Not really :)

> > GnuShi
>
> I have been wondering the same thing. There has not been an update in quite
> some time. A while ago, there was a flurry of patches and activity but a
> new official release never came out.

I got stuck trying to resolve what I believe is a major flaw. However, I 
eventually gave up because I do't have the X11 skills to fix the problem 
correctly. Tha's a shame, because the flaw is actually just a kludge in one 
small piece of code; someone with the right skills could probably fix it in a 
day.

> Speaking of which, if you're looking for a new maintainer or some help...
> *cough* *cough*. Although it's been some time since I personally dug into
> the code at all, but I can definitely think of a few improvements here and
> there. In any case if you guys are planning on another official release any
> time soon I do have some things here and there I'd like to fix that I can
> submit patches for. XForms seems to be getting a bit old and dusty.

Great! I think I'm going to grab your offer with both hands. My XForms days 
are very limited I'm afraid as I'm soon going to be empoyed by a company that 
actively prohibits GPL software development. OK, XForms is LGPL-licenced, 
but...

Please set up a savannah account if you don't have one already and mail me the 
details. I'll add you to the project's list of administrators.

Angus
From jac4 at mindless.com  Thu Oct 27 12:04:16 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Thu Oct 27 12:04:23 2005
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
Message-ID: <20051027160418.E30DBCDA09@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

> I got stuck trying to resolve what I believe is a major flaw. However, I
> eventually gave up because I do't have the X11 skills to fix the problem
> correctly. Tha's a shame, because the flaw is actually just a kludge in one
> small piece of code; someone with the right skills could probably fix it in a
> day.

What is the flaw?

> Great! I think I'm going to grab your offer with both hands. My XForms days
> are very limited I'm afraid as I'm soon going to be empoyed by a company that
> actively prohibits GPL software development. OK, XForms is LGPL-licenced,
> but...
> 
> Please set up a savannah account if you don't have one already and mail me the
> details. I'll add you to the project's list of administrators.

Honestly, I didn't expect my offer to be met with such enthusiasm ;) I have a side project that I'm working on right now which will be finished around mid-December. Once that is over with, I will set up a Savannah account and give you the details. In the mean time, I'll put together all the changes I've made. They're all relatively minor, mostly fdesign related. After this project clears up then I'll have the time to start working on XForms more actively. I'll get back to you soon.

Jason


From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Thu Oct 27 12:19:02 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Thu Oct 27 12:17:02 2005
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
In-Reply-To: <20051027160418.E30DBCDA09@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20051027160418.E30DBCDA09@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <200510271719.02876.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Thursday 27 October 2005 17:04, jason cipriani wrote:
> > I got stuck trying to resolve what I believe is a major flaw. However, I
> > eventually gave up because I do't have the X11 skills to fix the problem
> > correctly. Tha's a shame, because the flaw is actually just a kludge in
> > one small piece of code; someone with the right skills could probably fix
> > it in a day.
>
> What is the flaw?

In forms.c:

#if 1
    /* this is an ugly hack. This is necessary due to popup pointer grab
       where a button release is eaten. Really should do a send event from
       the pop-up routines */

    if (fl_pushobj && !button_down(fl_keymask) /* && event == FL_ENTER */ )
    {
	obj = fl_pushobj;
	fl_pushobj = NULL;
	fl_handle_object(obj, FL_RELEASE, xx, yy, key, xev);
    }
#endif

It has unpleasant consequences all over the place.

> Honestly, I didn't expect my offer to be met with such enthusiasm ;) I have
> a side project that I'm working on right now which will be finished around
> mid-December. Once that is over with, I will set up a Savannah account and
> give you the details. In the mean time, I'll put together all the changes
> I've made. They're all relatively minor, mostly fdesign related. After this
> project clears up then I'll have the time to start working on XForms more
> actively. I'll get back to you soon.

Great!
Angus
From s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk  Mon Dec  5 10:12:20 2005
From: s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk (Sheila R. Bryant)
Date: Mon Dec  5 10:12:27 2005
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Solaris
Message-ID: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>

Hi everyone,

I'm trying to build xforms-1.0.90 on a Solaris 9 machine. I'm using 
gcc-3.2.2 to compile, and

./configure --prefix=/opt/tools --enable-demos --enable-warnings \
             --disable-gl

The problem comes when the demos are being built, ibrowser will not 
link, and I get

gcc -g -O -Wall -o .libs/ibrowser ibrowser.o  -L/usr/openwin/lib 
-L/opt/graphics/lib -L/opt/GNU/gcc-3.2.2/lib -L/opt/GNU/lib 
../image/.libs/libflimage.so ../lib/.libs/libforms.so -lSM -lICE 
/opt/graphics/lib/libjpeg.so -lXpm -lX11 -lsocket -lnsl -lc -lm 
-R/opt/tools/lib -R/opt/graphics/lib -R/usr/openwin/lib 
-R/opt/GNU/gcc-3.2.2/lib -R/opt/GNU/lib
Undefined                       first referenced
  symbol                             in file
.LLC90                              ../image/.libs/libflimage.so
ld: fatal: Symbol referencing errors. No output written to .libs/ibrowser
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
gmake[2]: *** [ibrowser] Error 1
gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/home/opt-user/download/xforms-1.0.90/demos'
gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/home/opt-user/download/xforms-1.0.90/demos'
gmake: *** [all-recursive] Error 1


This is a completely new one to me, and Google is not throwing up 
anything helpful. Does anyone have any ideas on what I might try? My aim 
is to get Lyx up and running, but until I can solve (or sidestep) this 
problem, I'm stuck.

Many thanks
-- 

Sheila
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dr. Sheila Bryant                        Software Applications Support
Email: S.R.Bryant@reading.ac.uk          Dept. of Meteorology,
Phone: 0118 378 6395                     University of Reading,

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Mon Dec  5 10:23:50 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Mon Dec  5 10:21:02 2005
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Solaris
In-Reply-To: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <200512051523.50227.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Monday 05 December 2005 15:12, Sheila R. Bryant wrote:
> This is a completely new one to me, and Google is not throwing up
> anything helpful. Does anyone have any ideas on what I might try? My aim
> is to get Lyx up and running, but until I can solve (or sidestep) this
> problem, I'm stuck.

Hi, Sheila. I've never seen this bug before, but if you want to compile XForms 
only to get LyX up and running, you don't really need the demos ;-)

Angus
From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Mon Dec  5 10:26:53 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Mon Dec  5 10:26:58 2005
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Solaris
In-Reply-To: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk> (Sheila R. Bryant's message of
	"Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:12:20 +0000")
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Sheila" == Sheila R Bryant <s.r.bryant@reading.ac.uk> writes:

Sheila> This is a completely new one to me, and Google is not throwing
Sheila> up anything helpful. Does anyone have any ideas on what I
Sheila> might try? My aim is to get Lyx up and running, but until I
Sheila> can solve (or sidestep) this problem, I'm stuck.

This is indeed weird, never heard of that.

But if you do not build the demos, everything is right, isn't it?

JMarc

PS: of course, you can also use the qt version of LyX, but I should
not say that here :)
From s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk  Mon Dec  5 10:43:06 2005
From: s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk (Sheila R. Bryant)
Date: Mon Dec  5 10:43:11 2005
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Solaris
In-Reply-To: <liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
	<liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
Message-ID: <4394600A.9040809@reading.ac.uk>

Hi JMarc,

Well, if I don't build the demos, xforms claims to build OK, but when I 
try to build LyX I get this problem come up. All the demos that build 
seem to run OK - assorted boxes, buttons, forms etc come up and go away 
in a controlled manner.

Where LyX falls down is in a test to find flimage_dup; I can reproduce 
the error with a test.c

char flimage_dup ();
int
main ()
{
flimage_dup ();
   ;
   return 0;
}

compiled with

gcc -o test test.c -L/opt/tools/lib -lflimage -ljpeg -lforms -lXpm

Hope that sheds some more light

Cheers

Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
>>>>>>"Sheila" == Sheila R Bryant <s.r.bryant@reading.ac.uk> writes:
> 
> 
> Sheila> This is a completely new one to me, and Google is not throwing
> Sheila> up anything helpful. Does anyone have any ideas on what I
> Sheila> might try? My aim is to get Lyx up and running, but until I
> Sheila> can solve (or sidestep) this problem, I'm stuck.
> 
> This is indeed weird, never heard of that.
> 
> But if you do not build the demos, everything is right, isn't it?
> 
> JMarc
> 
> PS: of course, you can also use the qt version of LyX, but I should
> not say that here :)

-- 

Sheila
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dr. Sheila Bryant                        Software Applications Support
Email: S.R.Bryant@reading.ac.uk          Dept. of Meteorology,
Phone: 0118 378 6395                     University of Reading,

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
From mcrespo at ictp.trieste.it  Wed Dec  7 05:52:33 2005
From: mcrespo at ictp.trieste.it (CRESPO MARIA LIZ)
Date: Wed Dec  7 05:52:55 2005
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Windows
In-Reply-To: <liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
	<liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512071145360.31165@ssh-2>


what about building Xforms on Windows? Could someone tell me something 
about it?
Thank you.
Regards,
Maria Liz


**********************************************
Dr. Maria Liz Crespo
ICTP-INFN Laboratory
the Abdus Salam International Centre for Theoretical Physics
Via Beirut 31
34100 - Trieste (Italy)
Tel: 39 040 2249930
Fax: 39 040 224600
**********************************************
From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Wed Dec  7 06:27:09 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Wed Dec  7 06:27:13 2005
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Windows
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512071145360.31165@ssh-2> (CRESPO MARIA LIZ's
	message of "Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:52:33 +0100 (CET)")
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
	<liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0512071145360.31165@ssh-2>
Message-ID: <liy8xuxywoi.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "CRESPO" == CRESPO MARIA LIZ <mcrespo@ictp.trieste.it> writes:

CRESPO> To subscribers of the xforms list what about building Xforms
CRESPO> on Windows? Could someone tell me something about it? 

You need cygwin and an X server. Other than that, it is supposed to
work with the latest 1.0.90 version. I'd be interested to know whether
it really works, though.

In might even work with mingw, I do not actually know.

JMarc
From christof.hoeke at e-7.com  Tue Feb  8 05:35:57 2005
From: christof.hoeke at e-7.com (christof.hoeke at e-7.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:35:57 +0100
Subject: [XForms] Xforms or XHTML 1.0 Forms Module
Message-ID: <96849388D2102F40AEF198798540F2E1E6B8E2@gt1mail1.gt.da-ag.local>

Hi,
A question regarding which forms dialect to choose as a basis for a web application processing framework.

Background
We developed a custom XML format to be used to describe and process (web) forms which itself is part of a custom XML format basically describing (web) pages and a processing/workflow part.
For the frontend it is transformed via XSLT to HTML/CSS to target desktop browsers (may later also be PDA or whatever). So the format has to include enough information for a semantically sufficient processing in it (accessibility is an issue). The layout information is in the enclosing format.
For the backend the same format is used for a kind of basic workflow and of course the processing of the input data (delegation to other applications, storing, validation etc).

For the next version currently in development the format needs to be changed anyway (not the best yet as it is more or less a pure layout format yet and not even complete regarding all form possibilities [grouping of option elements etc]). 
So we thought of using a standard format for the forms part of the format (which currently cannot be changed as a whole as it is also used for CMS generated static pages and which should not be needed anyway if just adding forms as a module). 

Anyway, we looked into Xforms (XTHML 2.0 forms) but wondered if they bring enough advantages compared to the second option, using simply XHTML 1.0 Forms.

Xforms:
- new format, needs to be learned and implemented, higher learning curve+ new standard and therefore possibly more futureproove format
- for basic layout information maybe label needing to be child of input (is this actually mandatory?) cannot easily be transformed to the HTML <label for="ID"> <input id="ID"> possibility
+ includes validation and separation of model and view
... Lots more of course

XHTML 1.0 Forms:
+ lots of experience, known format and fairly simple, easy to use
+ of course includes all elements we need for a transformation to HTML (fieldset/legend, input+label, @accesskey, @tabindex etc)
- validation/data-types and other stuff needs to be added with custom or Xforms parts
...

Maybe we don't yet understand Xforms right, but at the moment we tend to use XHTML 1.0 forms for the following reasons/questions, maybe anyone can share his opinions?
* can Xforms describe *all* possible HTML form elements without the need to add custom extensions? 
	* above <label for="ID"> <input id="ID"> example which seems difficult in XForms
	* fieldset/legend elements, select/optgroup/option elements etc
* submitting XML from the browser does not work yet so this part of Xforms would have to be committed anyway
* new widgets (range widget) cannot be used on browsers yet either
* workload to integrate Xforms compared to XHTML 1.0 forms seems much higher 
* later migration to xforms should not be too difficult

Any opinions would be great, thanks a lot 
chris



From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Tue Feb  8 06:55:01 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 12:55:01 +0100
Subject: [XForms] Xforms or XHTML 1.0 Forms Module
In-Reply-To: <96849388D2102F40AEF198798540F2E1E6B8E2@gt1mail1.gt.da-ag.local>
	(christof hoeke's message of "Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:35:57 +0100")
References: <96849388D2102F40AEF198798540F2E1E6B8E2@gt1mail1.gt.da-ag.local>
Message-ID: <liyy8dznu5m.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Christof" ==   <christof.hoeke at e-7.com> writes:

Christof> Hi, A question regarding which forms dialect to choose as a
Christof> basis for a web application processing framework.

Hello, you found the wrong xforms list. This list is for discussing
the old and venerable xforms GUI toolkit, not the new and exciting
XForms w3c standard (or whatever) :)

JMarc

From psg at debian.org  Tue Feb  8 09:22:41 2005
From: psg at debian.org (Peter S Galbraith)
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:22:41 -0500
Subject: [XForms] Re: XForms: Documentation 
In-Reply-To: Message from "T.C. Zhao" <tc_zhao@yahoo.com> 
	<20030908154838.51918.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com> 
References: <20030908154838.51918.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com> 
Message-ID: <20050208142241.8683AAB07E@mixing.qc.dfo.ca>

On Sept 8th 2003, T.C. Zhao <tc_zhao at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Sorry for the delay and thanks for the info. GPL it is.
> 
> I am currently travelling and will be back home end of September. Expect the
> free manual in October sometime.
> 
> -TC
> --- Peter S Galbraith <psg at debian.org> wrote:
> > To subscribers of the xforms list
> > 
> > 
> > T.C. Zhao <tc_zhao at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > All I need to do is boot up my old linux box and recover the doc
> > > and send it.  Will do this sometime in April (I've been travelling,
> > > and am sending this email from Tokyo).
> > > -TC
> > 
> > Hi T.C.,
> > 
> > I really hate to keep nagging you like this.  :-)
> > 
> > You meant to release the sources of the XForms manual last April but
> > never got around to it.  This is a reminder.  Also, please avoid using
> > the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) since it not a free software
> > license and therefore cannot be included in the Debian distribution.
> > Using the GPL would be fine.

Hello T.C.,

Consider this another nudge to release the sources of the XForms
manual.  On the plus side, I didn't nag you in 2004.  ;-)

Please consider taking some time to actually do this now, while the
sources still exist, and before you get hit by a bus or something and
they are gone forever.  The XForms sources have been free for a long
time now (Thanks!) and they really should have free documentation.

Thanks,
-- 
Peter S. Galbraith, Debian Developer          <psg at debian.org>
                                 http://people.debian.org/~psg
GPG key 1024/D2A913A1 - 97CE 866F F579 96EE  6E68 8170 35FF 799E

From msz at astrouw.edu.pl  Fri Mar 11 16:24:12 2005
From: msz at astrouw.edu.pl (Michal Szymanski)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:24:12 +0100
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
Message-ID: <20050311212412.GA13751@astrouw.edu.pl>

Hi,

I have a pretty complicated XForms application for controlling the
telscope. One of the object used is a "normal" (no selection) browser
for displaying messages to the user. I have noticed that the mouse wheel
(functioning, as reported by "xev", as Button 4 & 5) works mostly as
expected, i.e. scrolling the browser. Howerver, quite often, possibly
(although I am not sure) when the browser has many lines and I rotate
the wheel fast, the whole application crashes badly.

As such a crash is a very bad thing while the user is observing with the
telescope, I would like to disable the wheel, possibly only for that
browser (or my XForms application), as it worls fine in other
applications like xterm or mozilla. Is it doable?

regards, Michal. 

-- 
  Michal Szymanski (msz at astrouw dot edu dot pl)
  Warsaw University Observatory, Warszawa, POLAND

From jac4 at mindless.com  Sun Mar 13 01:21:04 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 01:21:04 -0500
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
Message-ID: <20050313062104.5B3C4CDA29@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

> As such a crash is a very bad thing while the user is observing with the
> telescope, I would like to disable the wheel, possibly only for that
> browser (or my XForms application), as it worls fine in other
> applications like xterm or mozilla. Is it doable?

I am not certain, but you may be able to do this with fl_set_object_prehandler(). You can set a prehandler for your browser and check to see if the xevent is a mouse wheel button event. If it is then return FL_PREEMPT from the prehandler, and that should prevent the event from reaching the browser.

Documentation is here:
http://www.public.iastate.edu/~xforms/node6.html#6888

It's weird that it crashes, though. When you say it only happens in browsers with a lot of items, how many items is "a lot"?

Jason


From xforms2 at vjet.demon.co.uk  Sun Mar 13 17:11:44 2005
From: xforms2 at vjet.demon.co.uk (Clive A Stubbings)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:11:44 GMT
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
Message-ID: <200503132211.j2DMBiQ3001137@vjet.demon.co.uk>

Michal Szymanski  said:

> Howerver, quite often, possibly
> (although I am not sure) when the browser has many lines and I rotate
> the wheel fast, the whole application crashes badly.

jason cipriani said:

> It's weird that it crashes, though. When you say it only happens in
> browsers with a lot of items, how many items is "a lot"?

I'm with Jason on this one. I'd bet its a code bug in your app.. I use
big browser lists and I had exactly the same symptom. I spent a while 
suspecting xforms too - but it was me ;-(

If it helps at all, in my case, the root cause was it was a callback
being called with no line selected in the browser. I didn't check,
and ended up dereferenced a wild pointer and core-dumped.

Cheers
Clive

From msz at astrouw.edu.pl  Sun Mar 13 23:27:16 2005
From: msz at astrouw.edu.pl (Michal Szymanski)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 05:27:16 +0100
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
In-Reply-To: <200503132211.j2DMBiQ3001137@vjet.demon.co.uk>
References: <200503132211.j2DMBiQ3001137@vjet.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20050314042716.GA17162@astrouw.edu.pl>

> > Howerver, quite often, possibly
> > (although I am not sure) when the browser has many lines and I rotate
> > the wheel fast, the whole application crashes badly.
> 
> jason cipriani said:
> 
> > It's weird that it crashes, though. When you say it only happens in
> > browsers with a lot of items, how many items is "a lot"?
> 
> I'm with Jason on this one. I'd bet its a code bug in your app.. I use
> big browser lists and I had exactly the same symptom. I spent a while 
> suspecting xforms too - but it was me ;-(
> 
> If it helps at all, in my case, the root cause was it was a callback
> being called with no line selected in the browser. I didn't check,
> and ended up dereferenced a wild pointer and core-dumped.

It well might be a code bug. As I said before, the crashes are random
and my guess to link them to the number of lines in the browser and/or
the speed of rotating the mice wheel may be wrong. Unfortunately it is a
kind of "production" application, controlling real hardware, so I cannot
make too many experiments.

"A lot of lines" may be several thousand. The browser gets the messages
from the telescope control system, I would estimate this to 1600-1800
lines per night and the program can run several weeks if everything is
going fine.

As for the "callback" suggestion: it is a FL_NORMAL_BROWSER, so AFAIK
there should be no interaction requiring callbacks. Just the scrolling.

I managed to disable mouse buttons 4 & 5 (wheel) for the browser using
"prehandler".

regards, Michal.

-- 
  Michal Szymanski (msz at astrouw dot edu dot pl)
  Warsaw University Observatory, Warszawa, POLAND

From jac4 at mindless.com  Mon Mar 14 00:16:20 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 00:16:20 -0500
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
Message-ID: <20050314051620.9FBD62000B@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

> It well might be a code bug. As I said before, the crashes are random
> and my guess to link them to the number of lines in the browser and/or
> the speed of rotating the mice wheel may be wrong. Unfortunately it is a
> kind of "production" application, controlling real hardware, so I cannot
> make too many experiments.
> 
> "A lot of lines" may be several thousand. The browser gets the messages
> from the telescope control system, I would estimate this to 1600-1800
> lines per night and the program can run several weeks if everything is
> going fine.

Not related to XForms, but here's a design hint: If your application crashes, and that's really bad, write another program that constantly watches your application to see if it crashes, and restarts it if it does. For example, a program that fork+exec's your program, then waitpid's for it to terminate. I also write software to control/automate a lot of hardware stuff, and I speak from many unpleasant experiences. ;( Not much worse than coming back to work on Monday only to find your software crashed sometime Saturday morning.

Alternatively, if you don't trust your toolkit, I might also recommend taking more of a client/server approach where your "server" is always controlling/logging telescope data and your "client" is a separate process that is just a GUI that you can monitor the server with. That way, if XForms hiccups, the GUI will crash but you won't lose any data/control.

Anyways I made a browser with 30000 lines in it just for grins and moved the wheel up and down for about 5 whole minutes with no problems, I'd look into other areas to find the problem. Disabling the mouse wheel may solve one of the symptoms but if it's a weird bug then you don't know what other problems may be going on behind the scenes.

Well, good luck with your application. Sounds interesting. :)


From dstrang at chartermi.net  Thu Apr  7 21:02:24 2005
From: dstrang at chartermi.net (David Strang)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 21:02:24 -0400
Subject: [XForms] CygWin and Xforms 1.0.2
Message-ID: <000e01c53bd6$a1543e20$6401a8c0@athlon24>

I have been trying to get this version of xforms fully functional under Cygwin 
and now is time for enabling the GL demos. Configure can't find the glx header
file even though GL is installed and  glx.h and other GL files seem to exist
inside the "C:\cygwin\usr\X11R6\include\GL" folder. 

Could this be a path issue? But why doesn't GL get searched but the rest of
the stuff does?

Doesn't configure know where the GL stuff exists?

Any help here is appreciated...it must be something I'm over looking.

Regards,
Dave Strang


From jason.bentz at lmco.com  Tue Apr 19 13:40:29 2005
From: jason.bentz at lmco.com (Bentz, Jason)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:40:29 -0500
Subject: [XForms] xforms Window Moving Problem
Message-ID: <BE12A2C28D407645B76E15220BAAD9CF751659@emss02m19.us.lmco.com>

I'm using xforms-1.0.90 installed on Red Hat Linux Enterprise 3.0, and
have a GUI that was designed using xforms.  The problem I'm experiencing
is when trying to move the window that the GUI is in, on the desktop.
When I click & hold on the menu bar to move the window around the
desktop, sometimes I move the mouse pointer, and the window does not
follow, or will jump to the current location of the pointer after a
couple seconds.  It's very annoying, because it's unpredictable as to
what it will do.
 
I started playing around with some of the demo files, so that users
would be able to confirm or deny my findings.
 
fbrowse:
    One click on the menu bar (click and release) allows moving of the
window, then clicking (and release) to drop the window in it's place.
It takes about 2 seconds to respond to this first click though (the
window stays in it's current location, then jumps to the pointer
location).  Clicking and holding seems to respond the same way.
 
wwwl:
    Same as above.
 
cursor:
    Click and hold, then drag only responds every other time.  (I.E., if
I do that procedure once, the window moves, a second time, it doesn't, a
third time it does, a forth time it doesn't.)
 
symbols:
    Click and hold, then drag does not work at all, but if you unclick,
the window then follows the cursor.
 
Has anyone experienced these problems and come up with a work around for
it?  I would prefer that it respond as Windows does, in that you have to
click and hold, then drag, then release to drop the window.  When we had
this GUI working on an old DEC Alpha workstation, it behaved in this
way.
 

Jason


From xyzzy at speakeasy.org  Tue Apr 19 15:48:37 2005
From: xyzzy at speakeasy.org (Trent Piepho)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:48:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [XForms] xforms Window Moving Problem
In-Reply-To: <BE12A2C28D407645B76E15220BAAD9CF751659@emss02m19.us.lmco.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.04.10504191246100.14543-100000@c-24-18-248-22.hsd1.wa.comcast.net>

On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Bentz, Jason wrote:
> I'm using xforms-1.0.90 installed on Red Hat Linux Enterprise 3.0, and
> have a GUI that was designed using xforms.  The problem I'm experiencing
> is when trying to move the window that the GUI is in, on the desktop.
> When I click & hold on the menu bar to move the window around the
> desktop, sometimes I move the mouse pointer, and the window does not
> follow, or will jump to the current location of the pointer after a
> couple seconds.  It's very annoying, because it's unpredictable as to
> what it will do.

This sounds like a function of the window manager, and not xforms.  Does this
only happen with xforms programs, or can you duplicate it with something else
like xclock or firefox?


From jason.bentz at lmco.com  Tue Apr 19 15:56:02 2005
From: jason.bentz at lmco.com (Bentz, Jason)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:56:02 -0500
Subject: [XForms] xforms Window Moving Problem
Message-ID: <BE12A2C28D407645B76E15220BAAD9CF754932@emss02m19.us.lmco.com>

Actually, I was just about to reply and let you all know that it appears
to be an Xwindows thing, not xforms.

If I use ktimer (accessories), I also get the strange behavior.  When
looking in Preferences>>Windows, I see the setting, hold-to-move window
(which is set to ALT).  There is no way to turn this off, at least with
the GUI interface.  A normal terminal window is able to be moved by just
clicking & holding the left mouse button, but to click & hold to move
the xforms windows (or ktimer), I must hold down ALT.

What I'm wondering, if there is a way to disable this hold-to-move
option in the Preferences>>Windows GUI setting?  Maybe there is a way to
manually edit a text file to remove this setting... 

Jason

-----Original Message-----
From: Trent Piepho [mailto:xyzzy at speakeasy.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 2:49 PM
To: Bentz, Jason
Cc: xforms at bob.usuhs.mil
Subject: Re: [XForms] xforms Window Moving Problem

On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Bentz, Jason wrote:
> I'm using xforms-1.0.90 installed on Red Hat Linux Enterprise 3.0, and

> have a GUI that was designed using xforms.  The problem I'm 
> experiencing is when trying to move the window that the GUI is in, on
the desktop.
> When I click & hold on the menu bar to move the window around the 
> desktop, sometimes I move the mouse pointer, and the window does not 
> follow, or will jump to the current location of the pointer after a 
> couple seconds.  It's very annoying, because it's unpredictable as to 
> what it will do.

This sounds like a function of the window manager, and not xforms.  Does
this only happen with xforms programs, or can you duplicate it with
something else like xclock or firefox?




From robert.lawless at ericsson.com  Tue May  3 09:59:39 2005
From: robert.lawless at ericsson.com (Robert Lawless (BH/LMI))
Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 15:59:39 +0200 
Subject: [XForms] Xml Schema instance generation using X-forms
Message-ID: <9B90FC9233F6E94493FF4FD8E0BA247DAAFE2E@eiedbnt502>

Hey folk,
i am quite new to X-Forms....i want to use X-Froms to present a UI to the user based on a certain Xml schema....i.e the user enters in data & out pops out an Xml instance according to this schema......would it be possible to make this generic i.e one would be able to attach any schema with X-Forms presenting a suitable UI & when the users inputs the data, out pops the Xml instance according to the inputted schema

thanks in advance 
Rob

From Todd.Denniston at ssa.crane.navy.mil  Tue May  3 11:19:02 2005
From: Todd.Denniston at ssa.crane.navy.mil (Todd Denniston)
Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 10:19:02 -0500
Subject: [XForms] Xml Schema instance generation using X-forms
References: <9B90FC9233F6E94493FF4FD8E0BA247DAAFE2E@eiedbnt502>
Message-ID: <42779666.B20F0051@ssa.crane.navy.mil>

"Robert Lawless (BH/LMI)" wrote:
> 
> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> Hey folk,
> i am quite new to X-Forms....i want to use X-Froms to present a UI to the user based on a certain Xml schema....i.e the user enters in data & out pops out an Xml instance according to this schema......would it be possible to make this generic i.e one would be able to attach any schema with X-Forms presenting a suitable UI & when the users inputs the data, out pops the Xml instance according to the inputted schema
> 
> thanks in advance
> Rob

Rob, lets first make sure you are asking in the correct group, as there has
been some confusion in the past.
To us XForms is described at [1] as:
"XForms is a GUI toolkit based on Xlib for X Window Systems. It features a
rich set of objects, such as buttons, scrollbars, and menus etc. integrated
into an easy and efficient object/event callback execution model that allows
fast and easy construction of X-applications. In addition, the library is
extensible and new objects can easily be created and added to the library."

To the W3C, XForms is described at [2] as:
"XForms" is W3C's name for a specification of Web forms that can be used
with a wide variety of platforms including desktop computers, hand helds,
information appliances, and even paper. XForms started life as a subgroup of
the HTML Working Group, but has now been spun off as an independent
Activity.

IIRC, the GUI toolkit definition predates the W3C definition, but they use
it so we get the confusion.

So, do you want to do a X Windows System GUI, or a Web form? :)
if GUI, please ask again here (with some ideas of how you want to use the
Xml schema in XForms) otherwise see the links on [2] under the heading "The
XForms Public Mailing List" (funny, the W3C does not have a nice page with
links to the subsections of its home page :).

[1] http://world.std.com/~xforms/
[2] http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/

-- 
Todd Denniston
Crane Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC Crane) 
Harnessing the Power of Technology for the Warfighter

From lingzsweet at yahoo.com  Thu May 19 11:23:02 2005
From: lingzsweet at yahoo.com (Lings)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 08:23:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [XForms] DTD in Xforms
Message-ID: <20050519152303.65083.qmail@web21323.mail.yahoo.com>

Can I use DTD instead of XML Schema in XForms?


		
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From lingzsweet at yahoo.com  Thu May 19 11:32:27 2005
From: lingzsweet at yahoo.com (Lings)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 08:32:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [XForms] XForms User Interface
Message-ID: <20050519153227.94971.qmail@web21327.mail.yahoo.com>

Hallo, I'm very new in xforms. That's why I'm joining this mailing list.
What I want to ask is :
Is ist possible to use another file (xml file) to specifying the input control in my form?
i.e  template.xml
 
<quality_form>
     <text_field>
         <name/>
         <value/>
     </text_field>
     <checkbox>
         <name/>
         <value/>
     </checkbox>
     <text_area>
         <name/>
         <value/>
     </text_area>
</quality_form>

 
This xml file will "tell" my xforms page to contain 1 text field, 1 check box and 1 text area in the user interface section. With name (as label) and value are specified in the xforms page. This form also generated another xml file that will save the data..

template.xml >> xforms >> data.xml
 
So, can XForms handle this? or should I use other application to support xforms? Or maybe any other solutions?

		
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From tompoe at amihost.com  Fri May 27 19:16:45 2005
From: tompoe at amihost.com (tom poe)
Date: 27 May 2005 16:16:45 -0700
Subject: [XForms] what is the correct URL for download?
Message-ID: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>

ftp://ncmir.ucsd.edu/pub/xforms/linux-i386
doesn't let me download xforms for i386 linux.  I copied the above URL
from the mirror page
http://world.std.com/~xforms/ftp/ftp.html
Thanks,
Tom



From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Sun May 29 09:17:34 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 14:17:34 +0100
Subject: [XForms] what is the correct URL for download?
In-Reply-To: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Saturday 28 May 2005 00:16, tom poe wrote:
> To subscribers of the xforms list
>
>
> ftp://ncmir.ucsd.edu/pub/xforms/linux-i386
> doesn't let me download xforms for i386 linux.  I copied the above
> URL from the mirror page
> http://world.std.com/~xforms/ftp/ftp.html
> Thanks,
> Tom

http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms/

Angus

From jac4 at mindless.com  Wed Jul  6 16:11:22 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 20:11:22 -0000
Subject: [XForms] xforms mailing list
Message-ID: <20050706201121.3269DCDA8F@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

The archive is here, right...?

http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms/

I've been getting 403 forbidden errors there. Where is the archive now?



----- Original Message -----
From: "Angus Leeming" <angus.leeming at btopenworld.com>
To: xforms at bob.usuhs.mil
Subject: Re: [XForms] what is the correct URL for download?
Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 14:17:34 +0100

> 
> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> 
> On Saturday 28 May 2005 00:16, tom poe wrote:
> > To subscribers of the xforms list
> >
> >
> > ftp://ncmir.ucsd.edu/pub/xforms/linux-i386
> > doesn't let me download xforms for i386 linux.  I copied the above
> > URL from the mirror page
> > http://world.std.com/~xforms/ftp/ftp.html
> > Thanks,
> > Tom
> 
> http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms/
> 
> Angus
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see:
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms




From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Wed Jul 20 04:50:25 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 08:50:25 -0000
Subject: [XForms] Re: xforms mailing list
In-Reply-To: <20050706201121.3269DCDA8F@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20050706201121.3269DCDA8F@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <200507200950.09269.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Wednesday 06 July 2005 21:11, jason cipriani wrote:
> The archive is here, right...?
>
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms/
>
> I've been getting 403 forbidden errors there. Where is the archive
> now?

Looks like we have a problem. Bob?

Old archives:
http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/

Angus




From maili at heisch.inka.de  Fri Aug 19 05:08:15 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:08:15 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
Message-ID: <20050819110815.07b6b561@emig4.heisch.inka.de>

To subscribers of the xforms list

Hello

I am using xforms-1.0.90 and have a problem with the input object:
while editing, cursor moves two positions at a single keystroke (cursor
left).

Behaviour seems to be a bug in the library, but I'm not sure.

Is there any workaround you know ?


Thanks for any answers,

Gerald


From bob at bob.usuhs.mil  Fri Aug 26 11:18:18 2005
From: bob at bob.usuhs.mil (Robert Williams)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:18:18 -0400
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Message-ID: <430F32BA.3020607@bob.usuhs.mil>

Dear list,

The list went down just prior to my going on vacation.
I had move to a new machine and new version of OS
and mailman.   Sorry about that.
It should be working well now.  

Best Wishes,
Bob Williams
XForms list administrator



From jac4 at mindless.com  Mon Aug 29 21:38:26 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:38:26 -0500
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Message-ID: <20050830013826.F1D70CDA00@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

The list was actually down since at least July 6th (nearly 7 weeks), unless there was a period of uptime in the middle. Although I was apparently the last person ever to post to this list before it came back up, it seems... I received the post I made 7 weeks ago just a few days ago. 403 Forbidden errors, originally, if I'm not mistaken.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Williams" <bob at bob.usuhs.mil>
To: xforms at bob.usuhs.mil
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:18:18 -0400

> 
> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> Dear list,
> 
> The list went down just prior to my going on vacation.
> I had move to a new machine and new version of OS
> and mailman.   Sorry about that.
> It should be working well now.  Best Wishes,
> Bob Williams
> XForms list administrator
> 
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms




From jac4 at mindless.com  Mon Aug 29 21:39:50 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:39:50 -0500
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Message-ID: <20050830013950.2F069CD9FE@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

Oh, I'm sorry, the 403 errors were for archive access. Which reminds me... what is the correct URL of the xforms mailing list archives now?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Williams" <bob at bob.usuhs.mil>
To: xforms at bob.usuhs.mil
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:18:18 -0400

> 
> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> Dear list,
> 
> The list went down just prior to my going on vacation.
> I had move to a new machine and new version of OS
> and mailman.   Sorry about that.
> It should be working well now.  Best Wishes,
> Bob Williams
> XForms list administrator
> 
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms




From bob at bob.usuhs.mil  Tue Aug 30 08:24:39 2005
From: bob at bob.usuhs.mil (Robert Williams)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 08:24:39 -0400
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
In-Reply-To: <20050830013950.2F069CD9FE@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20050830013950.2F069CD9FE@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <43145007.2080103@bob.usuhs.mil>

Dear Jason and list,

The archive access was also broken, I don't know when.
This is now restored, thanks to Jason for seeing this.
The correct URLs are as they were, listed below,
unless I'm missing something else.   The server should be
stable now for the next few years.

Bob,
XForms list admin

jason cipriani wrote:

>To subscribers of the xforms list
>
>Oh, I'm sorry, the 403 errors were for archive access. Which reminds me... what is the correct URL of the xforms mailing list archives now?
>  
>
>_______________________________________________
>To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
>xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
>http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
>XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
>List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
>http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
>Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms
>
>  
>



From maili at heisch.inka.de  Wed Aug 31 00:55:55 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 06:55:55 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
Message-ID: <20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>

To subscribers of the xforms list

Hello

I am using xforms-1.0.90 and have a problem with the input object:
while editing, cursor moves two positions at a single keystroke (cursor
left).

Behaviour seems to be a bug in the library, but I'm not sure.

Is there any workaround you know ?


Thanks for any answers,

Gerald


From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Wed Aug 31 04:55:42 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:55:42 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de> (Gerald Emig's
	message of "Wed, 31 Aug 2005 06:55:55 +0200")
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
Message-ID: <liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:

Gerald> To subscribers of the xforms list To subscribers of the xforms
Gerald> list

Gerald> Hello

Gerald> I am using xforms-1.0.90 and have a problem with the input
Gerald> object: while editing, cursor moves two positions at a single
Gerald> keystroke (cursor left).

Gerald> Behaviour seems to be a bug in the library, but I'm not sure.

Gerald> Is there any workaround you know ?

I do not know that problem. Could you give more details about your
settings?

JMarc


From maili at heisch.inka.de  Wed Aug 31 06:41:29 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:41:29 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
Message-ID: <20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de>



On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:55:42 +0200
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr> wrote:

> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> >>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:
> 
> Gerald> To subscribers of the xforms list To subscribers of the xforms
> Gerald> list
> 
> Gerald> Hello
> 
> Gerald> I am using xforms-1.0.90 and have a problem with the input
> Gerald> object: while editing, cursor moves two positions at a single
> Gerald> keystroke (cursor left).
> 
> Gerald> Behaviour seems to be a bug in the library, but I'm not sure.
> 
> Gerald> Is there any workaround you know ?
> 
> I do not know that problem. Could you give more details about your
> settings?

I use Suse Linux 9.1
I see this double jumping of the cursor in the input object I place on a
form as well as in the attributes dialogue of fdesign.
In a multiline input, hitting return produces two new lines...

Observation: ^b moves left correctly, Cursor Left not.



> 
> JMarc
> _______________________________________________
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From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Wed Aug 31 07:43:02 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:43:02 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de> (Gerald Emig's
	message of "Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:41:29 +0200")
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
Message-ID: <liyzmqys56h.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:

Gerald> I use Suse Linux 9.1 I see this double jumping of the cursor
Gerald> in the input object I place on a form as well as in the
Gerald> attributes dialogue of fdesign. In a multiline input, hitting
Gerald> return produces two new lines...

Gerald> Observation: ^b moves left correctly, Cursor Left not.

Did you compile by yourself, or was xforms 1.0.90 bundled by suse?
They apply a big extra patch to xforms to support CJK
(chinese-japanese-korean) input, it this patch is probably not
perfect... 

You could try to report this bug to suse directly, or to build your
own xforms 1.0.90 to see whether it helps.

JMarc


From maili at heisch.inka.de  Wed Aug 31 08:13:13 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:13:13 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <liyzmqys56h.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyzmqys56h.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
Message-ID: <20050831141313.04d318ee@emig4.heisch.inka.de>

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:43:02 +0200
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr> wrote:

> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> >>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:
> 
> Gerald> I use Suse Linux 9.1 I see this double jumping of the cursor
> Gerald> in the input object I place on a form as well as in the
> Gerald> attributes dialogue of fdesign. In a multiline input, hitting
> Gerald> return produces two new lines...
> 
> Gerald> Observation: ^b moves left correctly, Cursor Left not.
> 
> Did you compile by yourself, or was xforms 1.0.90 bundled by suse?
> They apply a big extra patch to xforms to support CJK
> (chinese-japanese-korean) input, it this patch is probably not
> perfect... 

Thank you very much for the hint.

I use the Suse package, but I'll try to compile xforms myself as soon as
possible with suse 9.1 (I do not want to break my working environment
at the moment).

In the meanwhile I tried xforms under the recent suse 9.3.
First of all I had to compile the library myself because they do not
support it anymore (at least it seems so).
But with this self compiled lib all works great.


Thank you

Gerald 

> 
> You could try to report this bug to suse directly, or to build your
> own xforms 1.0.90 to see whether it helps.
> 
> JMarc
> _______________________________________________
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From maili at heisch.inka.de  Sat Sep  3 12:20:52 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 18:20:52 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <20050831141313.04d318ee@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyzmqys56h.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<20050831141313.04d318ee@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
Message-ID: <20050903182052.6f9902c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>


Hello all,

I compiled xforms myself and this solved the problem.
Thanks for your help.

Gerald


On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:13:13 +0200
Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> wrote:

> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:43:02 +0200
> Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr> wrote:
> 
> > To subscribers of the xforms list
> > 
> > >>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:
> > 
> > Gerald> I use Suse Linux 9.1 I see this double jumping of the cursor
> > Gerald> in the input object I place on a form as well as in the
> > Gerald> attributes dialogue of fdesign. In a multiline input,
> > hitting Gerald> return produces two new lines...
> > 
> > Gerald> Observation: ^b moves left correctly, Cursor Left not.
> > 
> > Did you compile by yourself, or was xforms 1.0.90 bundled by suse?
> > They apply a big extra patch to xforms to support CJK
> > (chinese-japanese-korean) input, it this patch is probably not
> > perfect... 
> 
> Thank you very much for the hint.
> 
> I use the Suse package, but I'll try to compile xforms myself as soon
> as possible with suse 9.1 (I do not want to break my working
> environment at the moment).
> 
> In the meanwhile I tried xforms under the recent suse 9.3.
> First of all I had to compile the library myself because they do not
> support it anymore (at least it seems so).
> But with this self compiled lib all works great.
> 
> 
> Thank you
> 
> Gerald 
> 
> > 
> > You could try to report this bug to suse directly, or to build your
> > own xforms 1.0.90 to see whether it helps.
> > 
> > JMarc
> > _______________________________________________
> > To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> > xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> > http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> > XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> > List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> > http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> > Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms
> _______________________________________________
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> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
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From carsten.voss at rmit.edu.au  Mon Oct 10 03:21:34 2005
From: carsten.voss at rmit.edu.au (Carsten Voss)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:21:34 +1000
Subject: [XForms] xforms and glibc 2.3, newer verson available?
Message-ID: <s34aa33f.045@its-gw-inet57.its.rmit.edu.au>

Hi Folks,

I cannot seem to find a source download or an Linux RPM of xforms that will work on glibc2.3?
Any advice most welcome. Thanks.

I have installed version  xforms-0.89-3 which I believe is intended for glibc2.1. Unfortunitely I try and compile wulffman (which uses xforms) I receive referencing errors from libforms.a.

best regards,
Carsten Voss




From dadembro at rockwellcollins.com  Mon Oct 10 10:05:06 2005
From: dadembro at rockwellcollins.com (dadembro at rockwellcollins.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:05:06 -0400
Subject: [XForms] xforms and glibc 2.3, newer verson available?
In-Reply-To: <s34aa33f.045@its-gw-inet57.its.rmit.edu.au>
Message-ID: <OF25AB0DAF.0401B0BB-ON85257096.004CE817-85257096.004D5EFD@rockwellcollins.com>

Carsten,

For the latest source try:
      http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms

Slainte,
---d.dembrow



                                                                           
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To subscribers of the xforms list

Hi Folks,

I cannot seem to find a source download or an Linux RPM of xforms that will
work on glibc2.3?
Any advice most welcome. Thanks.

I have installed version  xforms-0.89-3 which I believe is intended for
glibc2.1. Unfortunitely I try and compile wulffman (which uses xforms) I
receive referencing errors from libforms.a.

best regards,
Carsten Voss


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From GalbraithP at dfo-mpo.gc.ca  Tue Oct 11 10:54:01 2005
From: GalbraithP at dfo-mpo.gc.ca (Peter Galbraith)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:54:01 -0400
Subject: [XForms] xforms and glibc 2.3, newer verson available? 
In-Reply-To: Message from <dadembro@rockwellcollins.com> of "Mon,
	10 Oct 2005 10:05:06 EDT."
	<OF25AB0DAF.0401B0BB-ON85257096.004CE817-85257096.004D5EFD@rockwellcollins.com>
References: <OF25AB0DAF.0401B0BB-ON85257096.004CE817-85257096.004D5EFD@rockwellcollins.com>
Message-ID: <20051011145401.00A1E10A74A@mixing.qc.dfo.ca>

<dadembro at rockwellcollins.com> wrote:

> For the latest source try:
>       http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms

Debian is still using the stable release 1.0

Given that 1.0.90 has been a candidate for over one year without
apparent problems, would I update Debian with that?

Thanks,

Peter


From gnushi at gmx.net  Sat Oct 22 11:18:59 2005
From: gnushi at gmx.net (Gnu Shi)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 17:18:59 +0200
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
Message-ID: <1129994339.7002.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>


Hi!

It is a bit hard to find this list. There seems no advertisment at
http://savannah.nongnu.org/mail/?group=xforms

Are you still working on XForms?

GnuShi


-- 



From jac4 at mindless.com  Sat Oct 22 14:25:41 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 13:25:41 -0500
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
Message-ID: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

> Hi!
> 
> It is a bit hard to find this list. There seems no advertisment at
> http://savannah.nongnu.org/mail/?group=xforms
> 
> Are you still working on XForms?
> 
> GnuShi

I have been wondering the same thing. There has not been an update in quite 
some time. A while ago, there was a flurry of patches and activity but a new 
official release never came out.

Speaking of which, if you're looking for a new maintainer or some help... 
*cough* *cough*. Although it's been some time since I personally dug into the 
code at all, but I can definitely think of a few improvements here and there. 
In any case if you guys are planning on another official release any time 
soon I do have some things here and there I'd like to fix that I can submit 
patches for. XForms seems to be getting a bit old and dusty.

Jason

> 
> 
> --
> 
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see:
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> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms




From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Mon Oct 24 08:54:12 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:54:12 +0200
Subject: [XForms] xforms and glibc 2.3, newer verson available?
In-Reply-To: <20051011145401.00A1E10A74A@mixing.qc.dfo.ca> (Peter Galbraith's
	message of "Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:54:01 -0400")
References: <OF25AB0DAF.0401B0BB-ON85257096.004CE817-85257096.004D5EFD@rockwellcollins.com>
	<20051011145401.00A1E10A74A@mixing.qc.dfo.ca>
Message-ID: <liyk6g313ez.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Peter" == Peter Galbraith <GalbraithP at dfo-mpo.gc.ca> writes:

Peter> To subscribers of the xforms list
Peter> <dadembro at rockwellcollins.com> wrote:

>> For the latest source try:
>> http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms

Peter> Debian is still using the stable release 1.0

Peter> Given that 1.0.90 has been a candidate for over one year
Peter> without apparent problems, would I update Debian with that?

Yes, I think you should.

JMarc


From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Mon Oct 24 09:03:23 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 15:03:23 +0200
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
In-Reply-To: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> (jason
	cipriani's message of "Sat, 22 Oct 2005 13:25:41 -0500")
References: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <liyirvn12zo.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "jason" == jason cipriani <jac4 at mindless.com> writes:

jason> I have been wondering the same thing. There has not been an
jason> update in quite some time. A while ago, there was a flurry of
jason> patches and activity but a new official release never came out.

The sad truth is that nothing is happening. We should have released
xforms 1.1 ages ago and there is no sign that this is going to
happen... 

jason> Speaking of which, if you're looking for a new maintainer or
jason> some help... *cough* *cough*. Although it's been some time
jason> since I personally dug into the code at all, but I can
jason> definitely think of a few improvements here and there. 

It might be a good solution indeed, although I can't speak for Angus.

jason> In any case if you guys are planning on another official
jason> release any time soon I do have some things here and there I'd
jason> like to fix that I can submit patches for.

I can't speak for Angus, but personally I'd like at least to release a
1.1 version with what we have now (plus the fl_set_locale() patch that
I never got around to apply). What do you have in store?

jason> XForms seems to be getting a bit old and dusty.

Sure.

JMarc


From Gayle.C.Roth at nasa.gov  Mon Oct 24 09:55:27 2005
From: Gayle.C.Roth at nasa.gov (Gayle C Roth)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 09:55:27 -0400
Subject: [XForms] xforms on VMS
Message-ID: <5.1.1.5.2.20051024094416.0100b8f0@popserve.grc.nasa.gov>

Hi,

I'm using a version of xforms I built on a VMS 7.3-2 system.  The 
application I'm building necessitates the use of a hibernate/wake mechanism 
(the program I'm working with calls the VMS system service 
sys$hiber).  I've found that, at least initially, a single call to 
sys$hiber is not enough -- it takes 2 calls to sys$hiber before the program 
actually hibernates.  I further discovered that this is because xforms is 
somehow setting the "wake-pending" bit.  Does anyone have an idea why and 
where xforms is setting this bit, and how I can keep it from happening?

Thanks,
Gayle




From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Tue Oct 25 05:18:53 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:18:53 +0100
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
In-Reply-To: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <200510251018.53224.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Saturday 22 October 2005 19:25, jason cipriani wrote:
> > It is a bit hard to find this list. There seems no advertisment at
> > http://savannah.nongnu.org/mail/?group=xforms

Patches are always welcome. Personally, I've no real html skills.

> > Are you still working on XForms?

Not really :)

> > GnuShi
>
> I have been wondering the same thing. There has not been an update in quite
> some time. A while ago, there was a flurry of patches and activity but a
> new official release never came out.

I got stuck trying to resolve what I believe is a major flaw. However, I 
eventually gave up because I do't have the X11 skills to fix the problem 
correctly. Tha's a shame, because the flaw is actually just a kludge in one 
small piece of code; someone with the right skills could probably fix it in a 
day.

> Speaking of which, if you're looking for a new maintainer or some help...
> *cough* *cough*. Although it's been some time since I personally dug into
> the code at all, but I can definitely think of a few improvements here and
> there. In any case if you guys are planning on another official release any
> time soon I do have some things here and there I'd like to fix that I can
> submit patches for. XForms seems to be getting a bit old and dusty.

Great! I think I'm going to grab your offer with both hands. My XForms days 
are very limited I'm afraid as I'm soon going to be empoyed by a company that 
actively prohibits GPL software development. OK, XForms is LGPL-licenced, 
but...

Please set up a savannah account if you don't have one already and mail me the 
details. I'll add you to the project's list of administrators.

Angus


From jac4 at mindless.com  Thu Oct 27 12:04:16 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:04:16 -0500
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
Message-ID: <20051027160418.E30DBCDA09@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

> I got stuck trying to resolve what I believe is a major flaw. However, I
> eventually gave up because I do't have the X11 skills to fix the problem
> correctly. Tha's a shame, because the flaw is actually just a kludge in one
> small piece of code; someone with the right skills could probably fix it in a
> day.

What is the flaw?

> Great! I think I'm going to grab your offer with both hands. My XForms days
> are very limited I'm afraid as I'm soon going to be empoyed by a company that
> actively prohibits GPL software development. OK, XForms is LGPL-licenced,
> but...
> 
> Please set up a savannah account if you don't have one already and mail me the
> details. I'll add you to the project's list of administrators.

Honestly, I didn't expect my offer to be met with such enthusiasm ;) I have a side project that I'm working on right now which will be finished around mid-December. Once that is over with, I will set up a Savannah account and give you the details. In the mean time, I'll put together all the changes I've made. They're all relatively minor, mostly fdesign related. After this project clears up then I'll have the time to start working on XForms more actively. I'll get back to you soon.

Jason




From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Thu Oct 27 12:19:02 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:19:02 +0100
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
In-Reply-To: <20051027160418.E30DBCDA09@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20051027160418.E30DBCDA09@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <200510271719.02876.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Thursday 27 October 2005 17:04, jason cipriani wrote:
> > I got stuck trying to resolve what I believe is a major flaw. However, I
> > eventually gave up because I do't have the X11 skills to fix the problem
> > correctly. Tha's a shame, because the flaw is actually just a kludge in
> > one small piece of code; someone with the right skills could probably fix
> > it in a day.
>
> What is the flaw?

In forms.c:

#if 1
    /* this is an ugly hack. This is necessary due to popup pointer grab
       where a button release is eaten. Really should do a send event from
       the pop-up routines */

    if (fl_pushobj && !button_down(fl_keymask) /* && event == FL_ENTER */ )
    {
	obj = fl_pushobj;
	fl_pushobj = NULL;
	fl_handle_object(obj, FL_RELEASE, xx, yy, key, xev);
    }
#endif

It has unpleasant consequences all over the place.

> Honestly, I didn't expect my offer to be met with such enthusiasm ;) I have
> a side project that I'm working on right now which will be finished around
> mid-December. Once that is over with, I will set up a Savannah account and
> give you the details. In the mean time, I'll put together all the changes
> I've made. They're all relatively minor, mostly fdesign related. After this
> project clears up then I'll have the time to start working on XForms more
> actively. I'll get back to you soon.

Great!
Angus


From s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk  Mon Dec  5 10:12:20 2005
From: s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk (Sheila R. Bryant)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:12:20 +0000
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Solaris
Message-ID: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>

Hi everyone,

I'm trying to build xforms-1.0.90 on a Solaris 9 machine. I'm using 
gcc-3.2.2 to compile, and

./configure --prefix=/opt/tools --enable-demos --enable-warnings \
             --disable-gl

The problem comes when the demos are being built, ibrowser will not 
link, and I get

gcc -g -O -Wall -o .libs/ibrowser ibrowser.o  -L/usr/openwin/lib 
-L/opt/graphics/lib -L/opt/GNU/gcc-3.2.2/lib -L/opt/GNU/lib 
../image/.libs/libflimage.so ../lib/.libs/libforms.so -lSM -lICE 
/opt/graphics/lib/libjpeg.so -lXpm -lX11 -lsocket -lnsl -lc -lm 
-R/opt/tools/lib -R/opt/graphics/lib -R/usr/openwin/lib 
-R/opt/GNU/gcc-3.2.2/lib -R/opt/GNU/lib
Undefined                       first referenced
  symbol                             in file
.LLC90                              ../image/.libs/libflimage.so
ld: fatal: Symbol referencing errors. No output written to .libs/ibrowser
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
gmake[2]: *** [ibrowser] Error 1
gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/home/opt-user/download/xforms-1.0.90/demos'
gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/home/opt-user/download/xforms-1.0.90/demos'
gmake: *** [all-recursive] Error 1


This is a completely new one to me, and Google is not throwing up 
anything helpful. Does anyone have any ideas on what I might try? My aim 
is to get Lyx up and running, but until I can solve (or sidestep) this 
problem, I'm stuck.

Many thanks
-- 

Sheila
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dr. Sheila Bryant                        Software Applications Support
Email: S.R.Bryant at reading.ac.uk          Dept. of Meteorology,
Phone: 0118 378 6395                     University of Reading,

--------------------------------------------------------------------------


From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Mon Dec  5 10:23:50 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:23:50 +0000
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Solaris
In-Reply-To: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <200512051523.50227.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Monday 05 December 2005 15:12, Sheila R. Bryant wrote:
> This is a completely new one to me, and Google is not throwing up
> anything helpful. Does anyone have any ideas on what I might try? My aim
> is to get Lyx up and running, but until I can solve (or sidestep) this
> problem, I'm stuck.

Hi, Sheila. I've never seen this bug before, but if you want to compile XForms 
only to get LyX up and running, you don't really need the demos ;-)

Angus


From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Mon Dec  5 10:26:53 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:26:53 +0100
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Solaris
In-Reply-To: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk> (Sheila R. Bryant's message of
	"Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:12:20 +0000")
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Sheila" == Sheila R Bryant <s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk> writes:

Sheila> This is a completely new one to me, and Google is not throwing
Sheila> up anything helpful. Does anyone have any ideas on what I
Sheila> might try? My aim is to get Lyx up and running, but until I
Sheila> can solve (or sidestep) this problem, I'm stuck.

This is indeed weird, never heard of that.

But if you do not build the demos, everything is right, isn't it?

JMarc

PS: of course, you can also use the qt version of LyX, but I should
not say that here :)


From s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk  Mon Dec  5 10:43:06 2005
From: s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk (Sheila R. Bryant)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:43:06 +0000
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Solaris
In-Reply-To: <liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
	<liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
Message-ID: <4394600A.9040809@reading.ac.uk>

Hi JMarc,

Well, if I don't build the demos, xforms claims to build OK, but when I 
try to build LyX I get this problem come up. All the demos that build 
seem to run OK - assorted boxes, buttons, forms etc come up and go away 
in a controlled manner.

Where LyX falls down is in a test to find flimage_dup; I can reproduce 
the error with a test.c

char flimage_dup ();
int
main ()
{
flimage_dup ();
   ;
   return 0;
}

compiled with

gcc -o test test.c -L/opt/tools/lib -lflimage -ljpeg -lforms -lXpm

Hope that sheds some more light

Cheers

Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
>>>>>>"Sheila" == Sheila R Bryant <s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk> writes:
> 
> 
> Sheila> This is a completely new one to me, and Google is not throwing
> Sheila> up anything helpful. Does anyone have any ideas on what I
> Sheila> might try? My aim is to get Lyx up and running, but until I
> Sheila> can solve (or sidestep) this problem, I'm stuck.
> 
> This is indeed weird, never heard of that.
> 
> But if you do not build the demos, everything is right, isn't it?
> 
> JMarc
> 
> PS: of course, you can also use the qt version of LyX, but I should
> not say that here :)

-- 

Sheila
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dr. Sheila Bryant                        Software Applications Support
Email: S.R.Bryant at reading.ac.uk          Dept. of Meteorology,
Phone: 0118 378 6395                     University of Reading,

--------------------------------------------------------------------------


From mcrespo at ictp.trieste.it  Wed Dec  7 05:52:33 2005
From: mcrespo at ictp.trieste.it (CRESPO MARIA LIZ)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:52:33 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Windows
In-Reply-To: <liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
	<liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512071145360.31165@ssh-2>


what about building Xforms on Windows? Could someone tell me something 
about it?
Thank you.
Regards,
Maria Liz


**********************************************
Dr. Maria Liz Crespo
ICTP-INFN Laboratory
the Abdus Salam International Centre for Theoretical Physics
Via Beirut 31
34100 - Trieste (Italy)
Tel: 39 040 2249930
Fax: 39 040 224600
**********************************************


From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Wed Dec  7 06:27:09 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 12:27:09 +0100
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Windows
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512071145360.31165@ssh-2> (CRESPO MARIA LIZ's
	message of "Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:52:33 +0100 (CET)")
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
	<liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0512071145360.31165@ssh-2>
Message-ID: <liy8xuxywoi.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "CRESPO" == CRESPO MARIA LIZ <mcrespo at ictp.trieste.it> writes:

CRESPO> To subscribers of the xforms list what about building Xforms
CRESPO> on Windows? Could someone tell me something about it? 

You need cygwin and an X server. Other than that, it is supposed to
work with the latest 1.0.90 version. I'd be interested to know whether
it really works, though.

In might even work with mingw, I do not actually know.

JMarc


From christof.hoeke at e-7.com  Tue Feb  8 05:35:57 2005
From: christof.hoeke at e-7.com (christof.hoeke at e-7.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:35:57 +0100
Subject: [XForms] Xforms or XHTML 1.0 Forms Module
Message-ID: <96849388D2102F40AEF198798540F2E1E6B8E2@gt1mail1.gt.da-ag.local>

Hi,
A question regarding which forms dialect to choose as a basis for a web application processing framework.

Background
We developed a custom XML format to be used to describe and process (web) forms which itself is part of a custom XML format basically describing (web) pages and a processing/workflow part.
For the frontend it is transformed via XSLT to HTML/CSS to target desktop browsers (may later also be PDA or whatever). So the format has to include enough information for a semantically sufficient processing in it (accessibility is an issue). The layout information is in the enclosing format.
For the backend the same format is used for a kind of basic workflow and of course the processing of the input data (delegation to other applications, storing, validation etc).

For the next version currently in development the format needs to be changed anyway (not the best yet as it is more or less a pure layout format yet and not even complete regarding all form possibilities [grouping of option elements etc]). 
So we thought of using a standard format for the forms part of the format (which currently cannot be changed as a whole as it is also used for CMS generated static pages and which should not be needed anyway if just adding forms as a module). 

Anyway, we looked into Xforms (XTHML 2.0 forms) but wondered if they bring enough advantages compared to the second option, using simply XHTML 1.0 Forms.

Xforms:
- new format, needs to be learned and implemented, higher learning curve+ new standard and therefore possibly more futureproove format
- for basic layout information maybe label needing to be child of input (is this actually mandatory?) cannot easily be transformed to the HTML <label for="ID"> <input id="ID"> possibility
+ includes validation and separation of model and view
... Lots more of course

XHTML 1.0 Forms:
+ lots of experience, known format and fairly simple, easy to use
+ of course includes all elements we need for a transformation to HTML (fieldset/legend, input+label, @accesskey, @tabindex etc)
- validation/data-types and other stuff needs to be added with custom or Xforms parts
...

Maybe we don't yet understand Xforms right, but at the moment we tend to use XHTML 1.0 forms for the following reasons/questions, maybe anyone can share his opinions?
* can Xforms describe *all* possible HTML form elements without the need to add custom extensions? 
	* above <label for="ID"> <input id="ID"> example which seems difficult in XForms
	* fieldset/legend elements, select/optgroup/option elements etc
* submitting XML from the browser does not work yet so this part of Xforms would have to be committed anyway
* new widgets (range widget) cannot be used on browsers yet either
* workload to integrate Xforms compared to XHTML 1.0 forms seems much higher 
* later migration to xforms should not be too difficult

Any opinions would be great, thanks a lot 
chris



From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Tue Feb  8 06:55:01 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 12:55:01 +0100
Subject: [XForms] Xforms or XHTML 1.0 Forms Module
In-Reply-To: <96849388D2102F40AEF198798540F2E1E6B8E2@gt1mail1.gt.da-ag.local>
	(christof hoeke's message of "Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:35:57 +0100")
References: <96849388D2102F40AEF198798540F2E1E6B8E2@gt1mail1.gt.da-ag.local>
Message-ID: <liyy8dznu5m.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Christof" ==   <christof.hoeke at e-7.com> writes:

Christof> Hi, A question regarding which forms dialect to choose as a
Christof> basis for a web application processing framework.

Hello, you found the wrong xforms list. This list is for discussing
the old and venerable xforms GUI toolkit, not the new and exciting
XForms w3c standard (or whatever) :)

JMarc

From psg at debian.org  Tue Feb  8 09:22:41 2005
From: psg at debian.org (Peter S Galbraith)
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:22:41 -0500
Subject: [XForms] Re: XForms: Documentation 
In-Reply-To: Message from "T.C. Zhao" <tc_zhao@yahoo.com> 
	<20030908154838.51918.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com> 
References: <20030908154838.51918.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com> 
Message-ID: <20050208142241.8683AAB07E@mixing.qc.dfo.ca>

On Sept 8th 2003, T.C. Zhao <tc_zhao at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Sorry for the delay and thanks for the info. GPL it is.
> 
> I am currently travelling and will be back home end of September. Expect the
> free manual in October sometime.
> 
> -TC
> --- Peter S Galbraith <psg at debian.org> wrote:
> > To subscribers of the xforms list
> > 
> > 
> > T.C. Zhao <tc_zhao at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > All I need to do is boot up my old linux box and recover the doc
> > > and send it.  Will do this sometime in April (I've been travelling,
> > > and am sending this email from Tokyo).
> > > -TC
> > 
> > Hi T.C.,
> > 
> > I really hate to keep nagging you like this.  :-)
> > 
> > You meant to release the sources of the XForms manual last April but
> > never got around to it.  This is a reminder.  Also, please avoid using
> > the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) since it not a free software
> > license and therefore cannot be included in the Debian distribution.
> > Using the GPL would be fine.

Hello T.C.,

Consider this another nudge to release the sources of the XForms
manual.  On the plus side, I didn't nag you in 2004.  ;-)

Please consider taking some time to actually do this now, while the
sources still exist, and before you get hit by a bus or something and
they are gone forever.  The XForms sources have been free for a long
time now (Thanks!) and they really should have free documentation.

Thanks,
-- 
Peter S. Galbraith, Debian Developer          <psg at debian.org>
                                 http://people.debian.org/~psg
GPG key 1024/D2A913A1 - 97CE 866F F579 96EE  6E68 8170 35FF 799E

From msz at astrouw.edu.pl  Fri Mar 11 16:24:12 2005
From: msz at astrouw.edu.pl (Michal Szymanski)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:24:12 +0100
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
Message-ID: <20050311212412.GA13751@astrouw.edu.pl>

Hi,

I have a pretty complicated XForms application for controlling the
telscope. One of the object used is a "normal" (no selection) browser
for displaying messages to the user. I have noticed that the mouse wheel
(functioning, as reported by "xev", as Button 4 & 5) works mostly as
expected, i.e. scrolling the browser. Howerver, quite often, possibly
(although I am not sure) when the browser has many lines and I rotate
the wheel fast, the whole application crashes badly.

As such a crash is a very bad thing while the user is observing with the
telescope, I would like to disable the wheel, possibly only for that
browser (or my XForms application), as it worls fine in other
applications like xterm or mozilla. Is it doable?

regards, Michal. 

-- 
  Michal Szymanski (msz at astrouw dot edu dot pl)
  Warsaw University Observatory, Warszawa, POLAND

From jac4 at mindless.com  Sun Mar 13 01:21:04 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 01:21:04 -0500
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
Message-ID: <20050313062104.5B3C4CDA29@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

> As such a crash is a very bad thing while the user is observing with the
> telescope, I would like to disable the wheel, possibly only for that
> browser (or my XForms application), as it worls fine in other
> applications like xterm or mozilla. Is it doable?

I am not certain, but you may be able to do this with fl_set_object_prehandler(). You can set a prehandler for your browser and check to see if the xevent is a mouse wheel button event. If it is then return FL_PREEMPT from the prehandler, and that should prevent the event from reaching the browser.

Documentation is here:
http://www.public.iastate.edu/~xforms/node6.html#6888

It's weird that it crashes, though. When you say it only happens in browsers with a lot of items, how many items is "a lot"?

Jason


From xforms2 at vjet.demon.co.uk  Sun Mar 13 17:11:44 2005
From: xforms2 at vjet.demon.co.uk (Clive A Stubbings)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:11:44 GMT
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
Message-ID: <200503132211.j2DMBiQ3001137@vjet.demon.co.uk>

Michal Szymanski  said:

> Howerver, quite often, possibly
> (although I am not sure) when the browser has many lines and I rotate
> the wheel fast, the whole application crashes badly.

jason cipriani said:

> It's weird that it crashes, though. When you say it only happens in
> browsers with a lot of items, how many items is "a lot"?

I'm with Jason on this one. I'd bet its a code bug in your app.. I use
big browser lists and I had exactly the same symptom. I spent a while 
suspecting xforms too - but it was me ;-(

If it helps at all, in my case, the root cause was it was a callback
being called with no line selected in the browser. I didn't check,
and ended up dereferenced a wild pointer and core-dumped.

Cheers
Clive

From msz at astrouw.edu.pl  Sun Mar 13 23:27:16 2005
From: msz at astrouw.edu.pl (Michal Szymanski)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 05:27:16 +0100
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
In-Reply-To: <200503132211.j2DMBiQ3001137@vjet.demon.co.uk>
References: <200503132211.j2DMBiQ3001137@vjet.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20050314042716.GA17162@astrouw.edu.pl>

> > Howerver, quite often, possibly
> > (although I am not sure) when the browser has many lines and I rotate
> > the wheel fast, the whole application crashes badly.
> 
> jason cipriani said:
> 
> > It's weird that it crashes, though. When you say it only happens in
> > browsers with a lot of items, how many items is "a lot"?
> 
> I'm with Jason on this one. I'd bet its a code bug in your app.. I use
> big browser lists and I had exactly the same symptom. I spent a while 
> suspecting xforms too - but it was me ;-(
> 
> If it helps at all, in my case, the root cause was it was a callback
> being called with no line selected in the browser. I didn't check,
> and ended up dereferenced a wild pointer and core-dumped.

It well might be a code bug. As I said before, the crashes are random
and my guess to link them to the number of lines in the browser and/or
the speed of rotating the mice wheel may be wrong. Unfortunately it is a
kind of "production" application, controlling real hardware, so I cannot
make too many experiments.

"A lot of lines" may be several thousand. The browser gets the messages
from the telescope control system, I would estimate this to 1600-1800
lines per night and the program can run several weeks if everything is
going fine.

As for the "callback" suggestion: it is a FL_NORMAL_BROWSER, so AFAIK
there should be no interaction requiring callbacks. Just the scrolling.

I managed to disable mouse buttons 4 & 5 (wheel) for the browser using
"prehandler".

regards, Michal.

-- 
  Michal Szymanski (msz at astrouw dot edu dot pl)
  Warsaw University Observatory, Warszawa, POLAND

From jac4 at mindless.com  Mon Mar 14 00:16:20 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 00:16:20 -0500
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
Message-ID: <20050314051620.9FBD62000B@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

> It well might be a code bug. As I said before, the crashes are random
> and my guess to link them to the number of lines in the browser and/or
> the speed of rotating the mice wheel may be wrong. Unfortunately it is a
> kind of "production" application, controlling real hardware, so I cannot
> make too many experiments.
> 
> "A lot of lines" may be several thousand. The browser gets the messages
> from the telescope control system, I would estimate this to 1600-1800
> lines per night and the program can run several weeks if everything is
> going fine.

Not related to XForms, but here's a design hint: If your application crashes, and that's really bad, write another program that constantly watches your application to see if it crashes, and restarts it if it does. For example, a program that fork+exec's your program, then waitpid's for it to terminate. I also write software to control/automate a lot of hardware stuff, and I speak from many unpleasant experiences. ;( Not much worse than coming back to work on Monday only to find your software crashed sometime Saturday morning.

Alternatively, if you don't trust your toolkit, I might also recommend taking more of a client/server approach where your "server" is always controlling/logging telescope data and your "client" is a separate process that is just a GUI that you can monitor the server with. That way, if XForms hiccups, the GUI will crash but you won't lose any data/control.

Anyways I made a browser with 30000 lines in it just for grins and moved the wheel up and down for about 5 whole minutes with no problems, I'd look into other areas to find the problem. Disabling the mouse wheel may solve one of the symptoms but if it's a weird bug then you don't know what other problems may be going on behind the scenes.

Well, good luck with your application. Sounds interesting. :)


From dstrang at chartermi.net  Thu Apr  7 21:02:24 2005
From: dstrang at chartermi.net (David Strang)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 21:02:24 -0400
Subject: [XForms] CygWin and Xforms 1.0.2
Message-ID: <000e01c53bd6$a1543e20$6401a8c0@athlon24>

I have been trying to get this version of xforms fully functional under Cygwin 
and now is time for enabling the GL demos. Configure can't find the glx header
file even though GL is installed and  glx.h and other GL files seem to exist
inside the "C:\cygwin\usr\X11R6\include\GL" folder. 

Could this be a path issue? But why doesn't GL get searched but the rest of
the stuff does?

Doesn't configure know where the GL stuff exists?

Any help here is appreciated...it must be something I'm over looking.

Regards,
Dave Strang


From jason.bentz at lmco.com  Tue Apr 19 13:40:29 2005
From: jason.bentz at lmco.com (Bentz, Jason)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:40:29 -0500
Subject: [XForms] xforms Window Moving Problem
Message-ID: <BE12A2C28D407645B76E15220BAAD9CF751659@emss02m19.us.lmco.com>

I'm using xforms-1.0.90 installed on Red Hat Linux Enterprise 3.0, and
have a GUI that was designed using xforms.  The problem I'm experiencing
is when trying to move the window that the GUI is in, on the desktop.
When I click & hold on the menu bar to move the window around the
desktop, sometimes I move the mouse pointer, and the window does not
follow, or will jump to the current location of the pointer after a
couple seconds.  It's very annoying, because it's unpredictable as to
what it will do.
 
I started playing around with some of the demo files, so that users
would be able to confirm or deny my findings.
 
fbrowse:
    One click on the menu bar (click and release) allows moving of the
window, then clicking (and release) to drop the window in it's place.
It takes about 2 seconds to respond to this first click though (the
window stays in it's current location, then jumps to the pointer
location).  Clicking and holding seems to respond the same way.
 
wwwl:
    Same as above.
 
cursor:
    Click and hold, then drag only responds every other time.  (I.E., if
I do that procedure once, the window moves, a second time, it doesn't, a
third time it does, a forth time it doesn't.)
 
symbols:
    Click and hold, then drag does not work at all, but if you unclick,
the window then follows the cursor.
 
Has anyone experienced these problems and come up with a work around for
it?  I would prefer that it respond as Windows does, in that you have to
click and hold, then drag, then release to drop the window.  When we had
this GUI working on an old DEC Alpha workstation, it behaved in this
way.
 

Jason


From xyzzy at speakeasy.org  Tue Apr 19 15:48:37 2005
From: xyzzy at speakeasy.org (Trent Piepho)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:48:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [XForms] xforms Window Moving Problem
In-Reply-To: <BE12A2C28D407645B76E15220BAAD9CF751659@emss02m19.us.lmco.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.04.10504191246100.14543-100000@c-24-18-248-22.hsd1.wa.comcast.net>

On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Bentz, Jason wrote:
> I'm using xforms-1.0.90 installed on Red Hat Linux Enterprise 3.0, and
> have a GUI that was designed using xforms.  The problem I'm experiencing
> is when trying to move the window that the GUI is in, on the desktop.
> When I click & hold on the menu bar to move the window around the
> desktop, sometimes I move the mouse pointer, and the window does not
> follow, or will jump to the current location of the pointer after a
> couple seconds.  It's very annoying, because it's unpredictable as to
> what it will do.

This sounds like a function of the window manager, and not xforms.  Does this
only happen with xforms programs, or can you duplicate it with something else
like xclock or firefox?


From jason.bentz at lmco.com  Tue Apr 19 15:56:02 2005
From: jason.bentz at lmco.com (Bentz, Jason)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:56:02 -0500
Subject: [XForms] xforms Window Moving Problem
Message-ID: <BE12A2C28D407645B76E15220BAAD9CF754932@emss02m19.us.lmco.com>

Actually, I was just about to reply and let you all know that it appears
to be an Xwindows thing, not xforms.

If I use ktimer (accessories), I also get the strange behavior.  When
looking in Preferences>>Windows, I see the setting, hold-to-move window
(which is set to ALT).  There is no way to turn this off, at least with
the GUI interface.  A normal terminal window is able to be moved by just
clicking & holding the left mouse button, but to click & hold to move
the xforms windows (or ktimer), I must hold down ALT.

What I'm wondering, if there is a way to disable this hold-to-move
option in the Preferences>>Windows GUI setting?  Maybe there is a way to
manually edit a text file to remove this setting... 

Jason

-----Original Message-----
From: Trent Piepho [mailto:xyzzy at speakeasy.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 2:49 PM
To: Bentz, Jason
Cc: xforms at bob.usuhs.mil
Subject: Re: [XForms] xforms Window Moving Problem

On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Bentz, Jason wrote:
> I'm using xforms-1.0.90 installed on Red Hat Linux Enterprise 3.0, and

> have a GUI that was designed using xforms.  The problem I'm 
> experiencing is when trying to move the window that the GUI is in, on
the desktop.
> When I click & hold on the menu bar to move the window around the 
> desktop, sometimes I move the mouse pointer, and the window does not 
> follow, or will jump to the current location of the pointer after a 
> couple seconds.  It's very annoying, because it's unpredictable as to 
> what it will do.

This sounds like a function of the window manager, and not xforms.  Does
this only happen with xforms programs, or can you duplicate it with
something else like xclock or firefox?




From robert.lawless at ericsson.com  Tue May  3 09:59:39 2005
From: robert.lawless at ericsson.com (Robert Lawless (BH/LMI))
Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 15:59:39 +0200 
Subject: [XForms] Xml Schema instance generation using X-forms
Message-ID: <9B90FC9233F6E94493FF4FD8E0BA247DAAFE2E@eiedbnt502>

Hey folk,
i am quite new to X-Forms....i want to use X-Froms to present a UI to the user based on a certain Xml schema....i.e the user enters in data & out pops out an Xml instance according to this schema......would it be possible to make this generic i.e one would be able to attach any schema with X-Forms presenting a suitable UI & when the users inputs the data, out pops the Xml instance according to the inputted schema

thanks in advance 
Rob

From Todd.Denniston at ssa.crane.navy.mil  Tue May  3 11:19:02 2005
From: Todd.Denniston at ssa.crane.navy.mil (Todd Denniston)
Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 10:19:02 -0500
Subject: [XForms] Xml Schema instance generation using X-forms
References: <9B90FC9233F6E94493FF4FD8E0BA247DAAFE2E@eiedbnt502>
Message-ID: <42779666.B20F0051@ssa.crane.navy.mil>

"Robert Lawless (BH/LMI)" wrote:
> 
> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> Hey folk,
> i am quite new to X-Forms....i want to use X-Froms to present a UI to the user based on a certain Xml schema....i.e the user enters in data & out pops out an Xml instance according to this schema......would it be possible to make this generic i.e one would be able to attach any schema with X-Forms presenting a suitable UI & when the users inputs the data, out pops the Xml instance according to the inputted schema
> 
> thanks in advance
> Rob

Rob, lets first make sure you are asking in the correct group, as there has
been some confusion in the past.
To us XForms is described at [1] as:
"XForms is a GUI toolkit based on Xlib for X Window Systems. It features a
rich set of objects, such as buttons, scrollbars, and menus etc. integrated
into an easy and efficient object/event callback execution model that allows
fast and easy construction of X-applications. In addition, the library is
extensible and new objects can easily be created and added to the library."

To the W3C, XForms is described at [2] as:
"XForms" is W3C's name for a specification of Web forms that can be used
with a wide variety of platforms including desktop computers, hand helds,
information appliances, and even paper. XForms started life as a subgroup of
the HTML Working Group, but has now been spun off as an independent
Activity.

IIRC, the GUI toolkit definition predates the W3C definition, but they use
it so we get the confusion.

So, do you want to do a X Windows System GUI, or a Web form? :)
if GUI, please ask again here (with some ideas of how you want to use the
Xml schema in XForms) otherwise see the links on [2] under the heading "The
XForms Public Mailing List" (funny, the W3C does not have a nice page with
links to the subsections of its home page :).

[1] http://world.std.com/~xforms/
[2] http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/

-- 
Todd Denniston
Crane Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC Crane) 
Harnessing the Power of Technology for the Warfighter

From lingzsweet at yahoo.com  Thu May 19 11:23:02 2005
From: lingzsweet at yahoo.com (Lings)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 08:23:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [XForms] DTD in Xforms
Message-ID: <20050519152303.65083.qmail@web21323.mail.yahoo.com>

Can I use DTD instead of XML Schema in XForms?


		
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From lingzsweet at yahoo.com  Thu May 19 11:32:27 2005
From: lingzsweet at yahoo.com (Lings)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 08:32:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [XForms] XForms User Interface
Message-ID: <20050519153227.94971.qmail@web21327.mail.yahoo.com>

Hallo, I'm very new in xforms. That's why I'm joining this mailing list.
What I want to ask is :
Is ist possible to use another file (xml file) to specifying the input control in my form?
i.e  template.xml
 
<quality_form>
     <text_field>
         <name/>
         <value/>
     </text_field>
     <checkbox>
         <name/>
         <value/>
     </checkbox>
     <text_area>
         <name/>
         <value/>
     </text_area>
</quality_form>

 
This xml file will "tell" my xforms page to contain 1 text field, 1 check box and 1 text area in the user interface section. With name (as label) and value are specified in the xforms page. This form also generated another xml file that will save the data..

template.xml >> xforms >> data.xml
 
So, can XForms handle this? or should I use other application to support xforms? Or maybe any other solutions?

		
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From tompoe at amihost.com  Fri May 27 19:16:45 2005
From: tompoe at amihost.com (tom poe)
Date: 27 May 2005 16:16:45 -0700
Subject: [XForms] what is the correct URL for download?
Message-ID: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>

ftp://ncmir.ucsd.edu/pub/xforms/linux-i386
doesn't let me download xforms for i386 linux.  I copied the above URL
from the mirror page
http://world.std.com/~xforms/ftp/ftp.html
Thanks,
Tom



From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Sun May 29 09:17:34 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 14:17:34 +0100
Subject: [XForms] what is the correct URL for download?
In-Reply-To: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Saturday 28 May 2005 00:16, tom poe wrote:
> To subscribers of the xforms list
>
>
> ftp://ncmir.ucsd.edu/pub/xforms/linux-i386
> doesn't let me download xforms for i386 linux.  I copied the above
> URL from the mirror page
> http://world.std.com/~xforms/ftp/ftp.html
> Thanks,
> Tom

http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms/

Angus

From jac4 at mindless.com  Wed Jul  6 16:11:22 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 20:11:22 -0000
Subject: [XForms] xforms mailing list
Message-ID: <20050706201121.3269DCDA8F@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

The archive is here, right...?

http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms/

I've been getting 403 forbidden errors there. Where is the archive now?



----- Original Message -----
From: "Angus Leeming" <angus.leeming at btopenworld.com>
To: xforms at bob.usuhs.mil
Subject: Re: [XForms] what is the correct URL for download?
Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 14:17:34 +0100

> 
> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> 
> On Saturday 28 May 2005 00:16, tom poe wrote:
> > To subscribers of the xforms list
> >
> >
> > ftp://ncmir.ucsd.edu/pub/xforms/linux-i386
> > doesn't let me download xforms for i386 linux.  I copied the above
> > URL from the mirror page
> > http://world.std.com/~xforms/ftp/ftp.html
> > Thanks,
> > Tom
> 
> http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms/
> 
> Angus
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see:
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms




From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Wed Jul 20 04:50:25 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 08:50:25 -0000
Subject: [XForms] Re: xforms mailing list
In-Reply-To: <20050706201121.3269DCDA8F@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20050706201121.3269DCDA8F@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <200507200950.09269.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Wednesday 06 July 2005 21:11, jason cipriani wrote:
> The archive is here, right...?
>
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms/
>
> I've been getting 403 forbidden errors there. Where is the archive
> now?

Looks like we have a problem. Bob?

Old archives:
http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/

Angus




From maili at heisch.inka.de  Fri Aug 19 05:08:15 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:08:15 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
Message-ID: <20050819110815.07b6b561@emig4.heisch.inka.de>

To subscribers of the xforms list

Hello

I am using xforms-1.0.90 and have a problem with the input object:
while editing, cursor moves two positions at a single keystroke (cursor
left).

Behaviour seems to be a bug in the library, but I'm not sure.

Is there any workaround you know ?


Thanks for any answers,

Gerald


From bob at bob.usuhs.mil  Fri Aug 26 11:18:18 2005
From: bob at bob.usuhs.mil (Robert Williams)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:18:18 -0400
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Message-ID: <430F32BA.3020607@bob.usuhs.mil>

Dear list,

The list went down just prior to my going on vacation.
I had move to a new machine and new version of OS
and mailman.   Sorry about that.
It should be working well now.  

Best Wishes,
Bob Williams
XForms list administrator



From jac4 at mindless.com  Mon Aug 29 21:38:26 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:38:26 -0500
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Message-ID: <20050830013826.F1D70CDA00@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

The list was actually down since at least July 6th (nearly 7 weeks), unless there was a period of uptime in the middle. Although I was apparently the last person ever to post to this list before it came back up, it seems... I received the post I made 7 weeks ago just a few days ago. 403 Forbidden errors, originally, if I'm not mistaken.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Williams" <bob at bob.usuhs.mil>
To: xforms at bob.usuhs.mil
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:18:18 -0400

> 
> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> Dear list,
> 
> The list went down just prior to my going on vacation.
> I had move to a new machine and new version of OS
> and mailman.   Sorry about that.
> It should be working well now.  Best Wishes,
> Bob Williams
> XForms list administrator
> 
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms




From jac4 at mindless.com  Mon Aug 29 21:39:50 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:39:50 -0500
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Message-ID: <20050830013950.2F069CD9FE@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

Oh, I'm sorry, the 403 errors were for archive access. Which reminds me... what is the correct URL of the xforms mailing list archives now?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Williams" <bob at bob.usuhs.mil>
To: xforms at bob.usuhs.mil
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:18:18 -0400

> 
> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> Dear list,
> 
> The list went down just prior to my going on vacation.
> I had move to a new machine and new version of OS
> and mailman.   Sorry about that.
> It should be working well now.  Best Wishes,
> Bob Williams
> XForms list administrator
> 
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms




From bob at bob.usuhs.mil  Tue Aug 30 08:24:39 2005
From: bob at bob.usuhs.mil (Robert Williams)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 08:24:39 -0400
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
In-Reply-To: <20050830013950.2F069CD9FE@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20050830013950.2F069CD9FE@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <43145007.2080103@bob.usuhs.mil>

Dear Jason and list,

The archive access was also broken, I don't know when.
This is now restored, thanks to Jason for seeing this.
The correct URLs are as they were, listed below,
unless I'm missing something else.   The server should be
stable now for the next few years.

Bob,
XForms list admin

jason cipriani wrote:

>To subscribers of the xforms list
>
>Oh, I'm sorry, the 403 errors were for archive access. Which reminds me... what is the correct URL of the xforms mailing list archives now?
>  
>
>_______________________________________________
>To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
>xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
>http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
>XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
>List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
>http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
>Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms
>
>  
>



From maili at heisch.inka.de  Wed Aug 31 00:55:55 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 06:55:55 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
Message-ID: <20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>

To subscribers of the xforms list

Hello

I am using xforms-1.0.90 and have a problem with the input object:
while editing, cursor moves two positions at a single keystroke (cursor
left).

Behaviour seems to be a bug in the library, but I'm not sure.

Is there any workaround you know ?


Thanks for any answers,

Gerald


From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Wed Aug 31 04:55:42 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:55:42 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de> (Gerald Emig's
	message of "Wed, 31 Aug 2005 06:55:55 +0200")
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
Message-ID: <liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:

Gerald> To subscribers of the xforms list To subscribers of the xforms
Gerald> list

Gerald> Hello

Gerald> I am using xforms-1.0.90 and have a problem with the input
Gerald> object: while editing, cursor moves two positions at a single
Gerald> keystroke (cursor left).

Gerald> Behaviour seems to be a bug in the library, but I'm not sure.

Gerald> Is there any workaround you know ?

I do not know that problem. Could you give more details about your
settings?

JMarc


From maili at heisch.inka.de  Wed Aug 31 06:41:29 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:41:29 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
Message-ID: <20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de>



On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:55:42 +0200
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr> wrote:

> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> >>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:
> 
> Gerald> To subscribers of the xforms list To subscribers of the xforms
> Gerald> list
> 
> Gerald> Hello
> 
> Gerald> I am using xforms-1.0.90 and have a problem with the input
> Gerald> object: while editing, cursor moves two positions at a single
> Gerald> keystroke (cursor left).
> 
> Gerald> Behaviour seems to be a bug in the library, but I'm not sure.
> 
> Gerald> Is there any workaround you know ?
> 
> I do not know that problem. Could you give more details about your
> settings?

I use Suse Linux 9.1
I see this double jumping of the cursor in the input object I place on a
form as well as in the attributes dialogue of fdesign.
In a multiline input, hitting return produces two new lines...

Observation: ^b moves left correctly, Cursor Left not.



> 
> JMarc
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms


From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Wed Aug 31 07:43:02 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:43:02 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de> (Gerald Emig's
	message of "Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:41:29 +0200")
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
Message-ID: <liyzmqys56h.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:

Gerald> I use Suse Linux 9.1 I see this double jumping of the cursor
Gerald> in the input object I place on a form as well as in the
Gerald> attributes dialogue of fdesign. In a multiline input, hitting
Gerald> return produces two new lines...

Gerald> Observation: ^b moves left correctly, Cursor Left not.

Did you compile by yourself, or was xforms 1.0.90 bundled by suse?
They apply a big extra patch to xforms to support CJK
(chinese-japanese-korean) input, it this patch is probably not
perfect... 

You could try to report this bug to suse directly, or to build your
own xforms 1.0.90 to see whether it helps.

JMarc


From maili at heisch.inka.de  Wed Aug 31 08:13:13 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:13:13 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <liyzmqys56h.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyzmqys56h.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
Message-ID: <20050831141313.04d318ee@emig4.heisch.inka.de>

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:43:02 +0200
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr> wrote:

> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> >>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:
> 
> Gerald> I use Suse Linux 9.1 I see this double jumping of the cursor
> Gerald> in the input object I place on a form as well as in the
> Gerald> attributes dialogue of fdesign. In a multiline input, hitting
> Gerald> return produces two new lines...
> 
> Gerald> Observation: ^b moves left correctly, Cursor Left not.
> 
> Did you compile by yourself, or was xforms 1.0.90 bundled by suse?
> They apply a big extra patch to xforms to support CJK
> (chinese-japanese-korean) input, it this patch is probably not
> perfect... 

Thank you very much for the hint.

I use the Suse package, but I'll try to compile xforms myself as soon as
possible with suse 9.1 (I do not want to break my working environment
at the moment).

In the meanwhile I tried xforms under the recent suse 9.3.
First of all I had to compile the library myself because they do not
support it anymore (at least it seems so).
But with this self compiled lib all works great.


Thank you

Gerald 

> 
> You could try to report this bug to suse directly, or to build your
> own xforms 1.0.90 to see whether it helps.
> 
> JMarc
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms


From maili at heisch.inka.de  Sat Sep  3 12:20:52 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 18:20:52 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <20050831141313.04d318ee@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyzmqys56h.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<20050831141313.04d318ee@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
Message-ID: <20050903182052.6f9902c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>


Hello all,

I compiled xforms myself and this solved the problem.
Thanks for your help.

Gerald


On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:13:13 +0200
Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> wrote:

> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:43:02 +0200
> Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr> wrote:
> 
> > To subscribers of the xforms list
> > 
> > >>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:
> > 
> > Gerald> I use Suse Linux 9.1 I see this double jumping of the cursor
> > Gerald> in the input object I place on a form as well as in the
> > Gerald> attributes dialogue of fdesign. In a multiline input,
> > hitting Gerald> return produces two new lines...
> > 
> > Gerald> Observation: ^b moves left correctly, Cursor Left not.
> > 
> > Did you compile by yourself, or was xforms 1.0.90 bundled by suse?
> > They apply a big extra patch to xforms to support CJK
> > (chinese-japanese-korean) input, it this patch is probably not
> > perfect... 
> 
> Thank you very much for the hint.
> 
> I use the Suse package, but I'll try to compile xforms myself as soon
> as possible with suse 9.1 (I do not want to break my working
> environment at the moment).
> 
> In the meanwhile I tried xforms under the recent suse 9.3.
> First of all I had to compile the library myself because they do not
> support it anymore (at least it seems so).
> But with this self compiled lib all works great.
> 
> 
> Thank you
> 
> Gerald 
> 
> > 
> > You could try to report this bug to suse directly, or to build your
> > own xforms 1.0.90 to see whether it helps.
> > 
> > JMarc
> > _______________________________________________
> > To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
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From carsten.voss at rmit.edu.au  Mon Oct 10 03:21:34 2005
From: carsten.voss at rmit.edu.au (Carsten Voss)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:21:34 +1000
Subject: [XForms] xforms and glibc 2.3, newer verson available?
Message-ID: <s34aa33f.045@its-gw-inet57.its.rmit.edu.au>

Hi Folks,

I cannot seem to find a source download or an Linux RPM of xforms that will work on glibc2.3?
Any advice most welcome. Thanks.

I have installed version  xforms-0.89-3 which I believe is intended for glibc2.1. Unfortunitely I try and compile wulffman (which uses xforms) I receive referencing errors from libforms.a.

best regards,
Carsten Voss




From dadembro at rockwellcollins.com  Mon Oct 10 10:05:06 2005
From: dadembro at rockwellcollins.com (dadembro at rockwellcollins.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:05:06 -0400
Subject: [XForms] xforms and glibc 2.3, newer verson available?
In-Reply-To: <s34aa33f.045@its-gw-inet57.its.rmit.edu.au>
Message-ID: <OF25AB0DAF.0401B0BB-ON85257096.004CE817-85257096.004D5EFD@rockwellcollins.com>

Carsten,

For the latest source try:
      http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms

Slainte,
---d.dembrow



                                                                           
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To subscribers of the xforms list

Hi Folks,

I cannot seem to find a source download or an Linux RPM of xforms that will
work on glibc2.3?
Any advice most welcome. Thanks.

I have installed version  xforms-0.89-3 which I believe is intended for
glibc2.1. Unfortunitely I try and compile wulffman (which uses xforms) I
receive referencing errors from libforms.a.

best regards,
Carsten Voss


_______________________________________________
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From GalbraithP at dfo-mpo.gc.ca  Tue Oct 11 10:54:01 2005
From: GalbraithP at dfo-mpo.gc.ca (Peter Galbraith)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:54:01 -0400
Subject: [XForms] xforms and glibc 2.3, newer verson available? 
In-Reply-To: Message from <dadembro@rockwellcollins.com> of "Mon,
	10 Oct 2005 10:05:06 EDT."
	<OF25AB0DAF.0401B0BB-ON85257096.004CE817-85257096.004D5EFD@rockwellcollins.com>
References: <OF25AB0DAF.0401B0BB-ON85257096.004CE817-85257096.004D5EFD@rockwellcollins.com>
Message-ID: <20051011145401.00A1E10A74A@mixing.qc.dfo.ca>

<dadembro at rockwellcollins.com> wrote:

> For the latest source try:
>       http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms

Debian is still using the stable release 1.0

Given that 1.0.90 has been a candidate for over one year without
apparent problems, would I update Debian with that?

Thanks,

Peter


From gnushi at gmx.net  Sat Oct 22 11:18:59 2005
From: gnushi at gmx.net (Gnu Shi)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 17:18:59 +0200
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
Message-ID: <1129994339.7002.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>


Hi!

It is a bit hard to find this list. There seems no advertisment at
http://savannah.nongnu.org/mail/?group=xforms

Are you still working on XForms?

GnuShi


-- 



From jac4 at mindless.com  Sat Oct 22 14:25:41 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 13:25:41 -0500
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
Message-ID: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

> Hi!
> 
> It is a bit hard to find this list. There seems no advertisment at
> http://savannah.nongnu.org/mail/?group=xforms
> 
> Are you still working on XForms?
> 
> GnuShi

I have been wondering the same thing. There has not been an update in quite 
some time. A while ago, there was a flurry of patches and activity but a new 
official release never came out.

Speaking of which, if you're looking for a new maintainer or some help... 
*cough* *cough*. Although it's been some time since I personally dug into the 
code at all, but I can definitely think of a few improvements here and there. 
In any case if you guys are planning on another official release any time 
soon I do have some things here and there I'd like to fix that I can submit 
patches for. XForms seems to be getting a bit old and dusty.

Jason

> 
> 
> --
> 
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see:
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms




From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Mon Oct 24 08:54:12 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:54:12 +0200
Subject: [XForms] xforms and glibc 2.3, newer verson available?
In-Reply-To: <20051011145401.00A1E10A74A@mixing.qc.dfo.ca> (Peter Galbraith's
	message of "Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:54:01 -0400")
References: <OF25AB0DAF.0401B0BB-ON85257096.004CE817-85257096.004D5EFD@rockwellcollins.com>
	<20051011145401.00A1E10A74A@mixing.qc.dfo.ca>
Message-ID: <liyk6g313ez.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Peter" == Peter Galbraith <GalbraithP at dfo-mpo.gc.ca> writes:

Peter> To subscribers of the xforms list
Peter> <dadembro at rockwellcollins.com> wrote:

>> For the latest source try:
>> http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms

Peter> Debian is still using the stable release 1.0

Peter> Given that 1.0.90 has been a candidate for over one year
Peter> without apparent problems, would I update Debian with that?

Yes, I think you should.

JMarc


From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Mon Oct 24 09:03:23 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 15:03:23 +0200
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
In-Reply-To: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> (jason
	cipriani's message of "Sat, 22 Oct 2005 13:25:41 -0500")
References: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <liyirvn12zo.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "jason" == jason cipriani <jac4 at mindless.com> writes:

jason> I have been wondering the same thing. There has not been an
jason> update in quite some time. A while ago, there was a flurry of
jason> patches and activity but a new official release never came out.

The sad truth is that nothing is happening. We should have released
xforms 1.1 ages ago and there is no sign that this is going to
happen... 

jason> Speaking of which, if you're looking for a new maintainer or
jason> some help... *cough* *cough*. Although it's been some time
jason> since I personally dug into the code at all, but I can
jason> definitely think of a few improvements here and there. 

It might be a good solution indeed, although I can't speak for Angus.

jason> In any case if you guys are planning on another official
jason> release any time soon I do have some things here and there I'd
jason> like to fix that I can submit patches for.

I can't speak for Angus, but personally I'd like at least to release a
1.1 version with what we have now (plus the fl_set_locale() patch that
I never got around to apply). What do you have in store?

jason> XForms seems to be getting a bit old and dusty.

Sure.

JMarc


From Gayle.C.Roth at nasa.gov  Mon Oct 24 09:55:27 2005
From: Gayle.C.Roth at nasa.gov (Gayle C Roth)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 09:55:27 -0400
Subject: [XForms] xforms on VMS
Message-ID: <5.1.1.5.2.20051024094416.0100b8f0@popserve.grc.nasa.gov>

Hi,

I'm using a version of xforms I built on a VMS 7.3-2 system.  The 
application I'm building necessitates the use of a hibernate/wake mechanism 
(the program I'm working with calls the VMS system service 
sys$hiber).  I've found that, at least initially, a single call to 
sys$hiber is not enough -- it takes 2 calls to sys$hiber before the program 
actually hibernates.  I further discovered that this is because xforms is 
somehow setting the "wake-pending" bit.  Does anyone have an idea why and 
where xforms is setting this bit, and how I can keep it from happening?

Thanks,
Gayle




From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Tue Oct 25 05:18:53 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:18:53 +0100
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
In-Reply-To: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <200510251018.53224.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Saturday 22 October 2005 19:25, jason cipriani wrote:
> > It is a bit hard to find this list. There seems no advertisment at
> > http://savannah.nongnu.org/mail/?group=xforms

Patches are always welcome. Personally, I've no real html skills.

> > Are you still working on XForms?

Not really :)

> > GnuShi
>
> I have been wondering the same thing. There has not been an update in quite
> some time. A while ago, there was a flurry of patches and activity but a
> new official release never came out.

I got stuck trying to resolve what I believe is a major flaw. However, I 
eventually gave up because I do't have the X11 skills to fix the problem 
correctly. Tha's a shame, because the flaw is actually just a kludge in one 
small piece of code; someone with the right skills could probably fix it in a 
day.

> Speaking of which, if you're looking for a new maintainer or some help...
> *cough* *cough*. Although it's been some time since I personally dug into
> the code at all, but I can definitely think of a few improvements here and
> there. In any case if you guys are planning on another official release any
> time soon I do have some things here and there I'd like to fix that I can
> submit patches for. XForms seems to be getting a bit old and dusty.

Great! I think I'm going to grab your offer with both hands. My XForms days 
are very limited I'm afraid as I'm soon going to be empoyed by a company that 
actively prohibits GPL software development. OK, XForms is LGPL-licenced, 
but...

Please set up a savannah account if you don't have one already and mail me the 
details. I'll add you to the project's list of administrators.

Angus


From jac4 at mindless.com  Thu Oct 27 12:04:16 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:04:16 -0500
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
Message-ID: <20051027160418.E30DBCDA09@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

> I got stuck trying to resolve what I believe is a major flaw. However, I
> eventually gave up because I do't have the X11 skills to fix the problem
> correctly. Tha's a shame, because the flaw is actually just a kludge in one
> small piece of code; someone with the right skills could probably fix it in a
> day.

What is the flaw?

> Great! I think I'm going to grab your offer with both hands. My XForms days
> are very limited I'm afraid as I'm soon going to be empoyed by a company that
> actively prohibits GPL software development. OK, XForms is LGPL-licenced,
> but...
> 
> Please set up a savannah account if you don't have one already and mail me the
> details. I'll add you to the project's list of administrators.

Honestly, I didn't expect my offer to be met with such enthusiasm ;) I have a side project that I'm working on right now which will be finished around mid-December. Once that is over with, I will set up a Savannah account and give you the details. In the mean time, I'll put together all the changes I've made. They're all relatively minor, mostly fdesign related. After this project clears up then I'll have the time to start working on XForms more actively. I'll get back to you soon.

Jason




From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Thu Oct 27 12:19:02 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:19:02 +0100
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
In-Reply-To: <20051027160418.E30DBCDA09@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20051027160418.E30DBCDA09@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <200510271719.02876.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Thursday 27 October 2005 17:04, jason cipriani wrote:
> > I got stuck trying to resolve what I believe is a major flaw. However, I
> > eventually gave up because I do't have the X11 skills to fix the problem
> > correctly. Tha's a shame, because the flaw is actually just a kludge in
> > one small piece of code; someone with the right skills could probably fix
> > it in a day.
>
> What is the flaw?

In forms.c:

#if 1
    /* this is an ugly hack. This is necessary due to popup pointer grab
       where a button release is eaten. Really should do a send event from
       the pop-up routines */

    if (fl_pushobj && !button_down(fl_keymask) /* && event == FL_ENTER */ )
    {
	obj = fl_pushobj;
	fl_pushobj = NULL;
	fl_handle_object(obj, FL_RELEASE, xx, yy, key, xev);
    }
#endif

It has unpleasant consequences all over the place.

> Honestly, I didn't expect my offer to be met with such enthusiasm ;) I have
> a side project that I'm working on right now which will be finished around
> mid-December. Once that is over with, I will set up a Savannah account and
> give you the details. In the mean time, I'll put together all the changes
> I've made. They're all relatively minor, mostly fdesign related. After this
> project clears up then I'll have the time to start working on XForms more
> actively. I'll get back to you soon.

Great!
Angus


From s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk  Mon Dec  5 10:12:20 2005
From: s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk (Sheila R. Bryant)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:12:20 +0000
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Solaris
Message-ID: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>

Hi everyone,

I'm trying to build xforms-1.0.90 on a Solaris 9 machine. I'm using 
gcc-3.2.2 to compile, and

./configure --prefix=/opt/tools --enable-demos --enable-warnings \
             --disable-gl

The problem comes when the demos are being built, ibrowser will not 
link, and I get

gcc -g -O -Wall -o .libs/ibrowser ibrowser.o  -L/usr/openwin/lib 
-L/opt/graphics/lib -L/opt/GNU/gcc-3.2.2/lib -L/opt/GNU/lib 
../image/.libs/libflimage.so ../lib/.libs/libforms.so -lSM -lICE 
/opt/graphics/lib/libjpeg.so -lXpm -lX11 -lsocket -lnsl -lc -lm 
-R/opt/tools/lib -R/opt/graphics/lib -R/usr/openwin/lib 
-R/opt/GNU/gcc-3.2.2/lib -R/opt/GNU/lib
Undefined                       first referenced
  symbol                             in file
.LLC90                              ../image/.libs/libflimage.so
ld: fatal: Symbol referencing errors. No output written to .libs/ibrowser
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
gmake[2]: *** [ibrowser] Error 1
gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/home/opt-user/download/xforms-1.0.90/demos'
gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/home/opt-user/download/xforms-1.0.90/demos'
gmake: *** [all-recursive] Error 1


This is a completely new one to me, and Google is not throwing up 
anything helpful. Does anyone have any ideas on what I might try? My aim 
is to get Lyx up and running, but until I can solve (or sidestep) this 
problem, I'm stuck.

Many thanks
-- 

Sheila
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dr. Sheila Bryant                        Software Applications Support
Email: S.R.Bryant at reading.ac.uk          Dept. of Meteorology,
Phone: 0118 378 6395                     University of Reading,

--------------------------------------------------------------------------


From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Mon Dec  5 10:23:50 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:23:50 +0000
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Solaris
In-Reply-To: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <200512051523.50227.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Monday 05 December 2005 15:12, Sheila R. Bryant wrote:
> This is a completely new one to me, and Google is not throwing up
> anything helpful. Does anyone have any ideas on what I might try? My aim
> is to get Lyx up and running, but until I can solve (or sidestep) this
> problem, I'm stuck.

Hi, Sheila. I've never seen this bug before, but if you want to compile XForms 
only to get LyX up and running, you don't really need the demos ;-)

Angus


From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Mon Dec  5 10:26:53 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:26:53 +0100
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Solaris
In-Reply-To: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk> (Sheila R. Bryant's message of
	"Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:12:20 +0000")
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Sheila" == Sheila R Bryant <s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk> writes:

Sheila> This is a completely new one to me, and Google is not throwing
Sheila> up anything helpful. Does anyone have any ideas on what I
Sheila> might try? My aim is to get Lyx up and running, but until I
Sheila> can solve (or sidestep) this problem, I'm stuck.

This is indeed weird, never heard of that.

But if you do not build the demos, everything is right, isn't it?

JMarc

PS: of course, you can also use the qt version of LyX, but I should
not say that here :)


From s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk  Mon Dec  5 10:43:06 2005
From: s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk (Sheila R. Bryant)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:43:06 +0000
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Solaris
In-Reply-To: <liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
	<liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
Message-ID: <4394600A.9040809@reading.ac.uk>

Hi JMarc,

Well, if I don't build the demos, xforms claims to build OK, but when I 
try to build LyX I get this problem come up. All the demos that build 
seem to run OK - assorted boxes, buttons, forms etc come up and go away 
in a controlled manner.

Where LyX falls down is in a test to find flimage_dup; I can reproduce 
the error with a test.c

char flimage_dup ();
int
main ()
{
flimage_dup ();
   ;
   return 0;
}

compiled with

gcc -o test test.c -L/opt/tools/lib -lflimage -ljpeg -lforms -lXpm

Hope that sheds some more light

Cheers

Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
>>>>>>"Sheila" == Sheila R Bryant <s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk> writes:
> 
> 
> Sheila> This is a completely new one to me, and Google is not throwing
> Sheila> up anything helpful. Does anyone have any ideas on what I
> Sheila> might try? My aim is to get Lyx up and running, but until I
> Sheila> can solve (or sidestep) this problem, I'm stuck.
> 
> This is indeed weird, never heard of that.
> 
> But if you do not build the demos, everything is right, isn't it?
> 
> JMarc
> 
> PS: of course, you can also use the qt version of LyX, but I should
> not say that here :)

-- 

Sheila
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dr. Sheila Bryant                        Software Applications Support
Email: S.R.Bryant at reading.ac.uk          Dept. of Meteorology,
Phone: 0118 378 6395                     University of Reading,

--------------------------------------------------------------------------


From mcrespo at ictp.trieste.it  Wed Dec  7 05:52:33 2005
From: mcrespo at ictp.trieste.it (CRESPO MARIA LIZ)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:52:33 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Windows
In-Reply-To: <liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
	<liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512071145360.31165@ssh-2>


what about building Xforms on Windows? Could someone tell me something 
about it?
Thank you.
Regards,
Maria Liz


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From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Wed Dec  7 06:27:09 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 12:27:09 +0100
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Windows
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512071145360.31165@ssh-2> (CRESPO MARIA LIZ's
	message of "Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:52:33 +0100 (CET)")
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
	<liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0512071145360.31165@ssh-2>
Message-ID: <liy8xuxywoi.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "CRESPO" == CRESPO MARIA LIZ <mcrespo at ictp.trieste.it> writes:

CRESPO> To subscribers of the xforms list what about building Xforms
CRESPO> on Windows? Could someone tell me something about it? 

You need cygwin and an X server. Other than that, it is supposed to
work with the latest 1.0.90 version. I'd be interested to know whether
it really works, though.

In might even work with mingw, I do not actually know.

JMarc


From christof.hoeke at e-7.com  Tue Feb  8 05:35:57 2005
From: christof.hoeke at e-7.com (christof.hoeke at e-7.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:35:57 +0100
Subject: [XForms] Xforms or XHTML 1.0 Forms Module
Message-ID: <96849388D2102F40AEF198798540F2E1E6B8E2@gt1mail1.gt.da-ag.local>

Hi,
A question regarding which forms dialect to choose as a basis for a web application processing framework.

Background
We developed a custom XML format to be used to describe and process (web) forms which itself is part of a custom XML format basically describing (web) pages and a processing/workflow part.
For the frontend it is transformed via XSLT to HTML/CSS to target desktop browsers (may later also be PDA or whatever). So the format has to include enough information for a semantically sufficient processing in it (accessibility is an issue). The layout information is in the enclosing format.
For the backend the same format is used for a kind of basic workflow and of course the processing of the input data (delegation to other applications, storing, validation etc).

For the next version currently in development the format needs to be changed anyway (not the best yet as it is more or less a pure layout format yet and not even complete regarding all form possibilities [grouping of option elements etc]). 
So we thought of using a standard format for the forms part of the format (which currently cannot be changed as a whole as it is also used for CMS generated static pages and which should not be needed anyway if just adding forms as a module). 

Anyway, we looked into Xforms (XTHML 2.0 forms) but wondered if they bring enough advantages compared to the second option, using simply XHTML 1.0 Forms.

Xforms:
- new format, needs to be learned and implemented, higher learning curve+ new standard and therefore possibly more futureproove format
- for basic layout information maybe label needing to be child of input (is this actually mandatory?) cannot easily be transformed to the HTML <label for="ID"> <input id="ID"> possibility
+ includes validation and separation of model and view
... Lots more of course

XHTML 1.0 Forms:
+ lots of experience, known format and fairly simple, easy to use
+ of course includes all elements we need for a transformation to HTML (fieldset/legend, input+label, @accesskey, @tabindex etc)
- validation/data-types and other stuff needs to be added with custom or Xforms parts
...

Maybe we don't yet understand Xforms right, but at the moment we tend to use XHTML 1.0 forms for the following reasons/questions, maybe anyone can share his opinions?
* can Xforms describe *all* possible HTML form elements without the need to add custom extensions? 
	* above <label for="ID"> <input id="ID"> example which seems difficult in XForms
	* fieldset/legend elements, select/optgroup/option elements etc
* submitting XML from the browser does not work yet so this part of Xforms would have to be committed anyway
* new widgets (range widget) cannot be used on browsers yet either
* workload to integrate Xforms compared to XHTML 1.0 forms seems much higher 
* later migration to xforms should not be too difficult

Any opinions would be great, thanks a lot 
chris



From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Tue Feb  8 06:55:01 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 12:55:01 +0100
Subject: [XForms] Xforms or XHTML 1.0 Forms Module
In-Reply-To: <96849388D2102F40AEF198798540F2E1E6B8E2@gt1mail1.gt.da-ag.local>
	(christof hoeke's message of "Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:35:57 +0100")
References: <96849388D2102F40AEF198798540F2E1E6B8E2@gt1mail1.gt.da-ag.local>
Message-ID: <liyy8dznu5m.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Christof" ==   <christof.hoeke at e-7.com> writes:

Christof> Hi, A question regarding which forms dialect to choose as a
Christof> basis for a web application processing framework.

Hello, you found the wrong xforms list. This list is for discussing
the old and venerable xforms GUI toolkit, not the new and exciting
XForms w3c standard (or whatever) :)

JMarc

From psg at debian.org  Tue Feb  8 09:22:41 2005
From: psg at debian.org (Peter S Galbraith)
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:22:41 -0500
Subject: [XForms] Re: XForms: Documentation 
In-Reply-To: Message from "T.C. Zhao" <tc_zhao@yahoo.com> 
	<20030908154838.51918.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com> 
References: <20030908154838.51918.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com> 
Message-ID: <20050208142241.8683AAB07E@mixing.qc.dfo.ca>

On Sept 8th 2003, T.C. Zhao <tc_zhao at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Sorry for the delay and thanks for the info. GPL it is.
> 
> I am currently travelling and will be back home end of September. Expect the
> free manual in October sometime.
> 
> -TC
> --- Peter S Galbraith <psg at debian.org> wrote:
> > To subscribers of the xforms list
> > 
> > 
> > T.C. Zhao <tc_zhao at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > All I need to do is boot up my old linux box and recover the doc
> > > and send it.  Will do this sometime in April (I've been travelling,
> > > and am sending this email from Tokyo).
> > > -TC
> > 
> > Hi T.C.,
> > 
> > I really hate to keep nagging you like this.  :-)
> > 
> > You meant to release the sources of the XForms manual last April but
> > never got around to it.  This is a reminder.  Also, please avoid using
> > the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) since it not a free software
> > license and therefore cannot be included in the Debian distribution.
> > Using the GPL would be fine.

Hello T.C.,

Consider this another nudge to release the sources of the XForms
manual.  On the plus side, I didn't nag you in 2004.  ;-)

Please consider taking some time to actually do this now, while the
sources still exist, and before you get hit by a bus or something and
they are gone forever.  The XForms sources have been free for a long
time now (Thanks!) and they really should have free documentation.

Thanks,
-- 
Peter S. Galbraith, Debian Developer          <psg at debian.org>
                                 http://people.debian.org/~psg
GPG key 1024/D2A913A1 - 97CE 866F F579 96EE  6E68 8170 35FF 799E

From msz at astrouw.edu.pl  Fri Mar 11 16:24:12 2005
From: msz at astrouw.edu.pl (Michal Szymanski)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:24:12 +0100
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
Message-ID: <20050311212412.GA13751@astrouw.edu.pl>

Hi,

I have a pretty complicated XForms application for controlling the
telscope. One of the object used is a "normal" (no selection) browser
for displaying messages to the user. I have noticed that the mouse wheel
(functioning, as reported by "xev", as Button 4 & 5) works mostly as
expected, i.e. scrolling the browser. Howerver, quite often, possibly
(although I am not sure) when the browser has many lines and I rotate
the wheel fast, the whole application crashes badly.

As such a crash is a very bad thing while the user is observing with the
telescope, I would like to disable the wheel, possibly only for that
browser (or my XForms application), as it worls fine in other
applications like xterm or mozilla. Is it doable?

regards, Michal. 

-- 
  Michal Szymanski (msz at astrouw dot edu dot pl)
  Warsaw University Observatory, Warszawa, POLAND

From jac4 at mindless.com  Sun Mar 13 01:21:04 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 01:21:04 -0500
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
Message-ID: <20050313062104.5B3C4CDA29@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

> As such a crash is a very bad thing while the user is observing with the
> telescope, I would like to disable the wheel, possibly only for that
> browser (or my XForms application), as it worls fine in other
> applications like xterm or mozilla. Is it doable?

I am not certain, but you may be able to do this with fl_set_object_prehandler(). You can set a prehandler for your browser and check to see if the xevent is a mouse wheel button event. If it is then return FL_PREEMPT from the prehandler, and that should prevent the event from reaching the browser.

Documentation is here:
http://www.public.iastate.edu/~xforms/node6.html#6888

It's weird that it crashes, though. When you say it only happens in browsers with a lot of items, how many items is "a lot"?

Jason


From xforms2 at vjet.demon.co.uk  Sun Mar 13 17:11:44 2005
From: xforms2 at vjet.demon.co.uk (Clive A Stubbings)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:11:44 GMT
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
Message-ID: <200503132211.j2DMBiQ3001137@vjet.demon.co.uk>

Michal Szymanski  said:

> Howerver, quite often, possibly
> (although I am not sure) when the browser has many lines and I rotate
> the wheel fast, the whole application crashes badly.

jason cipriani said:

> It's weird that it crashes, though. When you say it only happens in
> browsers with a lot of items, how many items is "a lot"?

I'm with Jason on this one. I'd bet its a code bug in your app.. I use
big browser lists and I had exactly the same symptom. I spent a while 
suspecting xforms too - but it was me ;-(

If it helps at all, in my case, the root cause was it was a callback
being called with no line selected in the browser. I didn't check,
and ended up dereferenced a wild pointer and core-dumped.

Cheers
Clive

From msz at astrouw.edu.pl  Sun Mar 13 23:27:16 2005
From: msz at astrouw.edu.pl (Michal Szymanski)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 05:27:16 +0100
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
In-Reply-To: <200503132211.j2DMBiQ3001137@vjet.demon.co.uk>
References: <200503132211.j2DMBiQ3001137@vjet.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20050314042716.GA17162@astrouw.edu.pl>

> > Howerver, quite often, possibly
> > (although I am not sure) when the browser has many lines and I rotate
> > the wheel fast, the whole application crashes badly.
> 
> jason cipriani said:
> 
> > It's weird that it crashes, though. When you say it only happens in
> > browsers with a lot of items, how many items is "a lot"?
> 
> I'm with Jason on this one. I'd bet its a code bug in your app.. I use
> big browser lists and I had exactly the same symptom. I spent a while 
> suspecting xforms too - but it was me ;-(
> 
> If it helps at all, in my case, the root cause was it was a callback
> being called with no line selected in the browser. I didn't check,
> and ended up dereferenced a wild pointer and core-dumped.

It well might be a code bug. As I said before, the crashes are random
and my guess to link them to the number of lines in the browser and/or
the speed of rotating the mice wheel may be wrong. Unfortunately it is a
kind of "production" application, controlling real hardware, so I cannot
make too many experiments.

"A lot of lines" may be several thousand. The browser gets the messages
from the telescope control system, I would estimate this to 1600-1800
lines per night and the program can run several weeks if everything is
going fine.

As for the "callback" suggestion: it is a FL_NORMAL_BROWSER, so AFAIK
there should be no interaction requiring callbacks. Just the scrolling.

I managed to disable mouse buttons 4 & 5 (wheel) for the browser using
"prehandler".

regards, Michal.

-- 
  Michal Szymanski (msz at astrouw dot edu dot pl)
  Warsaw University Observatory, Warszawa, POLAND

From jac4 at mindless.com  Mon Mar 14 00:16:20 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 00:16:20 -0500
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
Message-ID: <20050314051620.9FBD62000B@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

> It well might be a code bug. As I said before, the crashes are random
> and my guess to link them to the number of lines in the browser and/or
> the speed of rotating the mice wheel may be wrong. Unfortunately it is a
> kind of "production" application, controlling real hardware, so I cannot
> make too many experiments.
> 
> "A lot of lines" may be several thousand. The browser gets the messages
> from the telescope control system, I would estimate this to 1600-1800
> lines per night and the program can run several weeks if everything is
> going fine.

Not related to XForms, but here's a design hint: If your application crashes, and that's really bad, write another program that constantly watches your application to see if it crashes, and restarts it if it does. For example, a program that fork+exec's your program, then waitpid's for it to terminate. I also write software to control/automate a lot of hardware stuff, and I speak from many unpleasant experiences. ;( Not much worse than coming back to work on Monday only to find your software crashed sometime Saturday morning.

Alternatively, if you don't trust your toolkit, I might also recommend taking more of a client/server approach where your "server" is always controlling/logging telescope data and your "client" is a separate process that is just a GUI that you can monitor the server with. That way, if XForms hiccups, the GUI will crash but you won't lose any data/control.

Anyways I made a browser with 30000 lines in it just for grins and moved the wheel up and down for about 5 whole minutes with no problems, I'd look into other areas to find the problem. Disabling the mouse wheel may solve one of the symptoms but if it's a weird bug then you don't know what other problems may be going on behind the scenes.

Well, good luck with your application. Sounds interesting. :)


From dstrang at chartermi.net  Thu Apr  7 21:02:24 2005
From: dstrang at chartermi.net (David Strang)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 21:02:24 -0400
Subject: [XForms] CygWin and Xforms 1.0.2
Message-ID: <000e01c53bd6$a1543e20$6401a8c0@athlon24>

I have been trying to get this version of xforms fully functional under Cygwin 
and now is time for enabling the GL demos. Configure can't find the glx header
file even though GL is installed and  glx.h and other GL files seem to exist
inside the "C:\cygwin\usr\X11R6\include\GL" folder. 

Could this be a path issue? But why doesn't GL get searched but the rest of
the stuff does?

Doesn't configure know where the GL stuff exists?

Any help here is appreciated...it must be something I'm over looking.

Regards,
Dave Strang


From jason.bentz at lmco.com  Tue Apr 19 13:40:29 2005
From: jason.bentz at lmco.com (Bentz, Jason)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:40:29 -0500
Subject: [XForms] xforms Window Moving Problem
Message-ID: <BE12A2C28D407645B76E15220BAAD9CF751659@emss02m19.us.lmco.com>

I'm using xforms-1.0.90 installed on Red Hat Linux Enterprise 3.0, and
have a GUI that was designed using xforms.  The problem I'm experiencing
is when trying to move the window that the GUI is in, on the desktop.
When I click & hold on the menu bar to move the window around the
desktop, sometimes I move the mouse pointer, and the window does not
follow, or will jump to the current location of the pointer after a
couple seconds.  It's very annoying, because it's unpredictable as to
what it will do.
 
I started playing around with some of the demo files, so that users
would be able to confirm or deny my findings.
 
fbrowse:
    One click on the menu bar (click and release) allows moving of the
window, then clicking (and release) to drop the window in it's place.
It takes about 2 seconds to respond to this first click though (the
window stays in it's current location, then jumps to the pointer
location).  Clicking and holding seems to respond the same way.
 
wwwl:
    Same as above.
 
cursor:
    Click and hold, then drag only responds every other time.  (I.E., if
I do that procedure once, the window moves, a second time, it doesn't, a
third time it does, a forth time it doesn't.)
 
symbols:
    Click and hold, then drag does not work at all, but if you unclick,
the window then follows the cursor.
 
Has anyone experienced these problems and come up with a work around for
it?  I would prefer that it respond as Windows does, in that you have to
click and hold, then drag, then release to drop the window.  When we had
this GUI working on an old DEC Alpha workstation, it behaved in this
way.
 

Jason


From xyzzy at speakeasy.org  Tue Apr 19 15:48:37 2005
From: xyzzy at speakeasy.org (Trent Piepho)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:48:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [XForms] xforms Window Moving Problem
In-Reply-To: <BE12A2C28D407645B76E15220BAAD9CF751659@emss02m19.us.lmco.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.04.10504191246100.14543-100000@c-24-18-248-22.hsd1.wa.comcast.net>

On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Bentz, Jason wrote:
> I'm using xforms-1.0.90 installed on Red Hat Linux Enterprise 3.0, and
> have a GUI that was designed using xforms.  The problem I'm experiencing
> is when trying to move the window that the GUI is in, on the desktop.
> When I click & hold on the menu bar to move the window around the
> desktop, sometimes I move the mouse pointer, and the window does not
> follow, or will jump to the current location of the pointer after a
> couple seconds.  It's very annoying, because it's unpredictable as to
> what it will do.

This sounds like a function of the window manager, and not xforms.  Does this
only happen with xforms programs, or can you duplicate it with something else
like xclock or firefox?


From jason.bentz at lmco.com  Tue Apr 19 15:56:02 2005
From: jason.bentz at lmco.com (Bentz, Jason)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:56:02 -0500
Subject: [XForms] xforms Window Moving Problem
Message-ID: <BE12A2C28D407645B76E15220BAAD9CF754932@emss02m19.us.lmco.com>

Actually, I was just about to reply and let you all know that it appears
to be an Xwindows thing, not xforms.

If I use ktimer (accessories), I also get the strange behavior.  When
looking in Preferences>>Windows, I see the setting, hold-to-move window
(which is set to ALT).  There is no way to turn this off, at least with
the GUI interface.  A normal terminal window is able to be moved by just
clicking & holding the left mouse button, but to click & hold to move
the xforms windows (or ktimer), I must hold down ALT.

What I'm wondering, if there is a way to disable this hold-to-move
option in the Preferences>>Windows GUI setting?  Maybe there is a way to
manually edit a text file to remove this setting... 

Jason

-----Original Message-----
From: Trent Piepho [mailto:xyzzy at speakeasy.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 2:49 PM
To: Bentz, Jason
Cc: xforms at bob.usuhs.mil
Subject: Re: [XForms] xforms Window Moving Problem

On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Bentz, Jason wrote:
> I'm using xforms-1.0.90 installed on Red Hat Linux Enterprise 3.0, and

> have a GUI that was designed using xforms.  The problem I'm 
> experiencing is when trying to move the window that the GUI is in, on
the desktop.
> When I click & hold on the menu bar to move the window around the 
> desktop, sometimes I move the mouse pointer, and the window does not 
> follow, or will jump to the current location of the pointer after a 
> couple seconds.  It's very annoying, because it's unpredictable as to 
> what it will do.

This sounds like a function of the window manager, and not xforms.  Does
this only happen with xforms programs, or can you duplicate it with
something else like xclock or firefox?




From robert.lawless at ericsson.com  Tue May  3 09:59:39 2005
From: robert.lawless at ericsson.com (Robert Lawless (BH/LMI))
Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 15:59:39 +0200 
Subject: [XForms] Xml Schema instance generation using X-forms
Message-ID: <9B90FC9233F6E94493FF4FD8E0BA247DAAFE2E@eiedbnt502>

Hey folk,
i am quite new to X-Forms....i want to use X-Froms to present a UI to the user based on a certain Xml schema....i.e the user enters in data & out pops out an Xml instance according to this schema......would it be possible to make this generic i.e one would be able to attach any schema with X-Forms presenting a suitable UI & when the users inputs the data, out pops the Xml instance according to the inputted schema

thanks in advance 
Rob

From Todd.Denniston at ssa.crane.navy.mil  Tue May  3 11:19:02 2005
From: Todd.Denniston at ssa.crane.navy.mil (Todd Denniston)
Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 10:19:02 -0500
Subject: [XForms] Xml Schema instance generation using X-forms
References: <9B90FC9233F6E94493FF4FD8E0BA247DAAFE2E@eiedbnt502>
Message-ID: <42779666.B20F0051@ssa.crane.navy.mil>

"Robert Lawless (BH/LMI)" wrote:
> 
> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> Hey folk,
> i am quite new to X-Forms....i want to use X-Froms to present a UI to the user based on a certain Xml schema....i.e the user enters in data & out pops out an Xml instance according to this schema......would it be possible to make this generic i.e one would be able to attach any schema with X-Forms presenting a suitable UI & when the users inputs the data, out pops the Xml instance according to the inputted schema
> 
> thanks in advance
> Rob

Rob, lets first make sure you are asking in the correct group, as there has
been some confusion in the past.
To us XForms is described at [1] as:
"XForms is a GUI toolkit based on Xlib for X Window Systems. It features a
rich set of objects, such as buttons, scrollbars, and menus etc. integrated
into an easy and efficient object/event callback execution model that allows
fast and easy construction of X-applications. In addition, the library is
extensible and new objects can easily be created and added to the library."

To the W3C, XForms is described at [2] as:
"XForms" is W3C's name for a specification of Web forms that can be used
with a wide variety of platforms including desktop computers, hand helds,
information appliances, and even paper. XForms started life as a subgroup of
the HTML Working Group, but has now been spun off as an independent
Activity.

IIRC, the GUI toolkit definition predates the W3C definition, but they use
it so we get the confusion.

So, do you want to do a X Windows System GUI, or a Web form? :)
if GUI, please ask again here (with some ideas of how you want to use the
Xml schema in XForms) otherwise see the links on [2] under the heading "The
XForms Public Mailing List" (funny, the W3C does not have a nice page with
links to the subsections of its home page :).

[1] http://world.std.com/~xforms/
[2] http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/

-- 
Todd Denniston
Crane Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC Crane) 
Harnessing the Power of Technology for the Warfighter

From lingzsweet at yahoo.com  Thu May 19 11:23:02 2005
From: lingzsweet at yahoo.com (Lings)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 08:23:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [XForms] DTD in Xforms
Message-ID: <20050519152303.65083.qmail@web21323.mail.yahoo.com>

Can I use DTD instead of XML Schema in XForms?


		
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From lingzsweet at yahoo.com  Thu May 19 11:32:27 2005
From: lingzsweet at yahoo.com (Lings)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 08:32:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [XForms] XForms User Interface
Message-ID: <20050519153227.94971.qmail@web21327.mail.yahoo.com>

Hallo, I'm very new in xforms. That's why I'm joining this mailing list.
What I want to ask is :
Is ist possible to use another file (xml file) to specifying the input control in my form?
i.e  template.xml
 
<quality_form>
     <text_field>
         <name/>
         <value/>
     </text_field>
     <checkbox>
         <name/>
         <value/>
     </checkbox>
     <text_area>
         <name/>
         <value/>
     </text_area>
</quality_form>

 
This xml file will "tell" my xforms page to contain 1 text field, 1 check box and 1 text area in the user interface section. With name (as label) and value are specified in the xforms page. This form also generated another xml file that will save the data..

template.xml >> xforms >> data.xml
 
So, can XForms handle this? or should I use other application to support xforms? Or maybe any other solutions?

		
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From tompoe at amihost.com  Fri May 27 19:16:45 2005
From: tompoe at amihost.com (tom poe)
Date: 27 May 2005 16:16:45 -0700
Subject: [XForms] what is the correct URL for download?
Message-ID: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>

ftp://ncmir.ucsd.edu/pub/xforms/linux-i386
doesn't let me download xforms for i386 linux.  I copied the above URL
from the mirror page
http://world.std.com/~xforms/ftp/ftp.html
Thanks,
Tom



From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Sun May 29 09:17:34 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 14:17:34 +0100
Subject: [XForms] what is the correct URL for download?
In-Reply-To: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Saturday 28 May 2005 00:16, tom poe wrote:
> To subscribers of the xforms list
>
>
> ftp://ncmir.ucsd.edu/pub/xforms/linux-i386
> doesn't let me download xforms for i386 linux.  I copied the above
> URL from the mirror page
> http://world.std.com/~xforms/ftp/ftp.html
> Thanks,
> Tom

http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms/

Angus

From jac4 at mindless.com  Wed Jul  6 16:11:22 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 20:11:22 -0000
Subject: [XForms] xforms mailing list
Message-ID: <20050706201121.3269DCDA8F@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

The archive is here, right...?

http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms/

I've been getting 403 forbidden errors there. Where is the archive now?



----- Original Message -----
From: "Angus Leeming" <angus.leeming at btopenworld.com>
To: xforms at bob.usuhs.mil
Subject: Re: [XForms] what is the correct URL for download?
Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 14:17:34 +0100

> 
> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> 
> On Saturday 28 May 2005 00:16, tom poe wrote:
> > To subscribers of the xforms list
> >
> >
> > ftp://ncmir.ucsd.edu/pub/xforms/linux-i386
> > doesn't let me download xforms for i386 linux.  I copied the above
> > URL from the mirror page
> > http://world.std.com/~xforms/ftp/ftp.html
> > Thanks,
> > Tom
> 
> http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms/
> 
> Angus
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see:
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms




From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Wed Jul 20 04:50:25 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 08:50:25 -0000
Subject: [XForms] Re: xforms mailing list
In-Reply-To: <20050706201121.3269DCDA8F@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20050706201121.3269DCDA8F@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <200507200950.09269.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Wednesday 06 July 2005 21:11, jason cipriani wrote:
> The archive is here, right...?
>
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms/
>
> I've been getting 403 forbidden errors there. Where is the archive
> now?

Looks like we have a problem. Bob?

Old archives:
http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/

Angus




From maili at heisch.inka.de  Fri Aug 19 05:08:15 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:08:15 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
Message-ID: <20050819110815.07b6b561@emig4.heisch.inka.de>

To subscribers of the xforms list

Hello

I am using xforms-1.0.90 and have a problem with the input object:
while editing, cursor moves two positions at a single keystroke (cursor
left).

Behaviour seems to be a bug in the library, but I'm not sure.

Is there any workaround you know ?


Thanks for any answers,

Gerald


From bob at bob.usuhs.mil  Fri Aug 26 11:18:18 2005
From: bob at bob.usuhs.mil (Robert Williams)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:18:18 -0400
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Message-ID: <430F32BA.3020607@bob.usuhs.mil>

Dear list,

The list went down just prior to my going on vacation.
I had move to a new machine and new version of OS
and mailman.   Sorry about that.
It should be working well now.  

Best Wishes,
Bob Williams
XForms list administrator



From jac4 at mindless.com  Mon Aug 29 21:38:26 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:38:26 -0500
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Message-ID: <20050830013826.F1D70CDA00@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

The list was actually down since at least July 6th (nearly 7 weeks), unless there was a period of uptime in the middle. Although I was apparently the last person ever to post to this list before it came back up, it seems... I received the post I made 7 weeks ago just a few days ago. 403 Forbidden errors, originally, if I'm not mistaken.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Williams" <bob at bob.usuhs.mil>
To: xforms at bob.usuhs.mil
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:18:18 -0400

> 
> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> Dear list,
> 
> The list went down just prior to my going on vacation.
> I had move to a new machine and new version of OS
> and mailman.   Sorry about that.
> It should be working well now.  Best Wishes,
> Bob Williams
> XForms list administrator
> 
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms




From jac4 at mindless.com  Mon Aug 29 21:39:50 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:39:50 -0500
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Message-ID: <20050830013950.2F069CD9FE@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

Oh, I'm sorry, the 403 errors were for archive access. Which reminds me... what is the correct URL of the xforms mailing list archives now?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Williams" <bob at bob.usuhs.mil>
To: xforms at bob.usuhs.mil
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:18:18 -0400

> 
> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> Dear list,
> 
> The list went down just prior to my going on vacation.
> I had move to a new machine and new version of OS
> and mailman.   Sorry about that.
> It should be working well now.  Best Wishes,
> Bob Williams
> XForms list administrator
> 
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms




From bob at bob.usuhs.mil  Tue Aug 30 08:24:39 2005
From: bob at bob.usuhs.mil (Robert Williams)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 08:24:39 -0400
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
In-Reply-To: <20050830013950.2F069CD9FE@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20050830013950.2F069CD9FE@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <43145007.2080103@bob.usuhs.mil>

Dear Jason and list,

The archive access was also broken, I don't know when.
This is now restored, thanks to Jason for seeing this.
The correct URLs are as they were, listed below,
unless I'm missing something else.   The server should be
stable now for the next few years.

Bob,
XForms list admin

jason cipriani wrote:

>To subscribers of the xforms list
>
>Oh, I'm sorry, the 403 errors were for archive access. Which reminds me... what is the correct URL of the xforms mailing list archives now?
>  
>
>_______________________________________________
>To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
>xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
>http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
>XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
>List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
>http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
>Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms
>
>  
>



From maili at heisch.inka.de  Wed Aug 31 00:55:55 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 06:55:55 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
Message-ID: <20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>

To subscribers of the xforms list

Hello

I am using xforms-1.0.90 and have a problem with the input object:
while editing, cursor moves two positions at a single keystroke (cursor
left).

Behaviour seems to be a bug in the library, but I'm not sure.

Is there any workaround you know ?


Thanks for any answers,

Gerald


From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Wed Aug 31 04:55:42 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:55:42 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de> (Gerald Emig's
	message of "Wed, 31 Aug 2005 06:55:55 +0200")
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
Message-ID: <liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:

Gerald> To subscribers of the xforms list To subscribers of the xforms
Gerald> list

Gerald> Hello

Gerald> I am using xforms-1.0.90 and have a problem with the input
Gerald> object: while editing, cursor moves two positions at a single
Gerald> keystroke (cursor left).

Gerald> Behaviour seems to be a bug in the library, but I'm not sure.

Gerald> Is there any workaround you know ?

I do not know that problem. Could you give more details about your
settings?

JMarc


From maili at heisch.inka.de  Wed Aug 31 06:41:29 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:41:29 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
Message-ID: <20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de>



On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:55:42 +0200
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr> wrote:

> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> >>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:
> 
> Gerald> To subscribers of the xforms list To subscribers of the xforms
> Gerald> list
> 
> Gerald> Hello
> 
> Gerald> I am using xforms-1.0.90 and have a problem with the input
> Gerald> object: while editing, cursor moves two positions at a single
> Gerald> keystroke (cursor left).
> 
> Gerald> Behaviour seems to be a bug in the library, but I'm not sure.
> 
> Gerald> Is there any workaround you know ?
> 
> I do not know that problem. Could you give more details about your
> settings?

I use Suse Linux 9.1
I see this double jumping of the cursor in the input object I place on a
form as well as in the attributes dialogue of fdesign.
In a multiline input, hitting return produces two new lines...

Observation: ^b moves left correctly, Cursor Left not.



> 
> JMarc
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms


From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Wed Aug 31 07:43:02 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:43:02 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de> (Gerald Emig's
	message of "Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:41:29 +0200")
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
Message-ID: <liyzmqys56h.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:

Gerald> I use Suse Linux 9.1 I see this double jumping of the cursor
Gerald> in the input object I place on a form as well as in the
Gerald> attributes dialogue of fdesign. In a multiline input, hitting
Gerald> return produces two new lines...

Gerald> Observation: ^b moves left correctly, Cursor Left not.

Did you compile by yourself, or was xforms 1.0.90 bundled by suse?
They apply a big extra patch to xforms to support CJK
(chinese-japanese-korean) input, it this patch is probably not
perfect... 

You could try to report this bug to suse directly, or to build your
own xforms 1.0.90 to see whether it helps.

JMarc


From maili at heisch.inka.de  Wed Aug 31 08:13:13 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:13:13 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <liyzmqys56h.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyzmqys56h.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
Message-ID: <20050831141313.04d318ee@emig4.heisch.inka.de>

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:43:02 +0200
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr> wrote:

> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> >>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:
> 
> Gerald> I use Suse Linux 9.1 I see this double jumping of the cursor
> Gerald> in the input object I place on a form as well as in the
> Gerald> attributes dialogue of fdesign. In a multiline input, hitting
> Gerald> return produces two new lines...
> 
> Gerald> Observation: ^b moves left correctly, Cursor Left not.
> 
> Did you compile by yourself, or was xforms 1.0.90 bundled by suse?
> They apply a big extra patch to xforms to support CJK
> (chinese-japanese-korean) input, it this patch is probably not
> perfect... 

Thank you very much for the hint.

I use the Suse package, but I'll try to compile xforms myself as soon as
possible with suse 9.1 (I do not want to break my working environment
at the moment).

In the meanwhile I tried xforms under the recent suse 9.3.
First of all I had to compile the library myself because they do not
support it anymore (at least it seems so).
But with this self compiled lib all works great.


Thank you

Gerald 

> 
> You could try to report this bug to suse directly, or to build your
> own xforms 1.0.90 to see whether it helps.
> 
> JMarc
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms


From maili at heisch.inka.de  Sat Sep  3 12:20:52 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 18:20:52 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <20050831141313.04d318ee@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyzmqys56h.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<20050831141313.04d318ee@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
Message-ID: <20050903182052.6f9902c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>


Hello all,

I compiled xforms myself and this solved the problem.
Thanks for your help.

Gerald


On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:13:13 +0200
Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> wrote:

> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:43:02 +0200
> Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr> wrote:
> 
> > To subscribers of the xforms list
> > 
> > >>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:
> > 
> > Gerald> I use Suse Linux 9.1 I see this double jumping of the cursor
> > Gerald> in the input object I place on a form as well as in the
> > Gerald> attributes dialogue of fdesign. In a multiline input,
> > hitting Gerald> return produces two new lines...
> > 
> > Gerald> Observation: ^b moves left correctly, Cursor Left not.
> > 
> > Did you compile by yourself, or was xforms 1.0.90 bundled by suse?
> > They apply a big extra patch to xforms to support CJK
> > (chinese-japanese-korean) input, it this patch is probably not
> > perfect... 
> 
> Thank you very much for the hint.
> 
> I use the Suse package, but I'll try to compile xforms myself as soon
> as possible with suse 9.1 (I do not want to break my working
> environment at the moment).
> 
> In the meanwhile I tried xforms under the recent suse 9.3.
> First of all I had to compile the library myself because they do not
> support it anymore (at least it seems so).
> But with this self compiled lib all works great.
> 
> 
> Thank you
> 
> Gerald 
> 
> > 
> > You could try to report this bug to suse directly, or to build your
> > own xforms 1.0.90 to see whether it helps.
> > 
> > JMarc
> > _______________________________________________
> > To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> > xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> > http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> > XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> > List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> > http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> > Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms



Gerald Emig

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Tel.+49(0)6858-699567, Fax.699568, gme at emig-software.de


From carsten.voss at rmit.edu.au  Mon Oct 10 03:21:34 2005
From: carsten.voss at rmit.edu.au (Carsten Voss)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:21:34 +1000
Subject: [XForms] xforms and glibc 2.3, newer verson available?
Message-ID: <s34aa33f.045@its-gw-inet57.its.rmit.edu.au>

Hi Folks,

I cannot seem to find a source download or an Linux RPM of xforms that will work on glibc2.3?
Any advice most welcome. Thanks.

I have installed version  xforms-0.89-3 which I believe is intended for glibc2.1. Unfortunitely I try and compile wulffman (which uses xforms) I receive referencing errors from libforms.a.

best regards,
Carsten Voss




From dadembro at rockwellcollins.com  Mon Oct 10 10:05:06 2005
From: dadembro at rockwellcollins.com (dadembro at rockwellcollins.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:05:06 -0400
Subject: [XForms] xforms and glibc 2.3, newer verson available?
In-Reply-To: <s34aa33f.045@its-gw-inet57.its.rmit.edu.au>
Message-ID: <OF25AB0DAF.0401B0BB-ON85257096.004CE817-85257096.004D5EFD@rockwellcollins.com>

Carsten,

For the latest source try:
      http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms

Slainte,
---d.dembrow



                                                                           
             "Carsten Voss"                                                
             <carsten.voss at rmi                                             
             t.edu.au>                                                  To 
             Sent by:                  <xforms at bob.usuhs.mil>              
             xforms-bounces at bo                                          cc 
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                                                                   Subject 
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             10/10/2005 03:21          newer verson available?             
             AM                                                            
                                                                           
                                                                           
                                                                           
                                                                           
                                                                           




To subscribers of the xforms list

Hi Folks,

I cannot seem to find a source download or an Linux RPM of xforms that will
work on glibc2.3?
Any advice most welcome. Thanks.

I have installed version  xforms-0.89-3 which I believe is intended for
glibc2.1. Unfortunitely I try and compile wulffman (which uses xforms) I
receive referencing errors from libforms.a.

best regards,
Carsten Voss


_______________________________________________
To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see:
http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms




From GalbraithP at dfo-mpo.gc.ca  Tue Oct 11 10:54:01 2005
From: GalbraithP at dfo-mpo.gc.ca (Peter Galbraith)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:54:01 -0400
Subject: [XForms] xforms and glibc 2.3, newer verson available? 
In-Reply-To: Message from <dadembro@rockwellcollins.com> of "Mon,
	10 Oct 2005 10:05:06 EDT."
	<OF25AB0DAF.0401B0BB-ON85257096.004CE817-85257096.004D5EFD@rockwellcollins.com>
References: <OF25AB0DAF.0401B0BB-ON85257096.004CE817-85257096.004D5EFD@rockwellcollins.com>
Message-ID: <20051011145401.00A1E10A74A@mixing.qc.dfo.ca>

<dadembro at rockwellcollins.com> wrote:

> For the latest source try:
>       http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms

Debian is still using the stable release 1.0

Given that 1.0.90 has been a candidate for over one year without
apparent problems, would I update Debian with that?

Thanks,

Peter


From gnushi at gmx.net  Sat Oct 22 11:18:59 2005
From: gnushi at gmx.net (Gnu Shi)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 17:18:59 +0200
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
Message-ID: <1129994339.7002.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>


Hi!

It is a bit hard to find this list. There seems no advertisment at
http://savannah.nongnu.org/mail/?group=xforms

Are you still working on XForms?

GnuShi


-- 



From jac4 at mindless.com  Sat Oct 22 14:25:41 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 13:25:41 -0500
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
Message-ID: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

> Hi!
> 
> It is a bit hard to find this list. There seems no advertisment at
> http://savannah.nongnu.org/mail/?group=xforms
> 
> Are you still working on XForms?
> 
> GnuShi

I have been wondering the same thing. There has not been an update in quite 
some time. A while ago, there was a flurry of patches and activity but a new 
official release never came out.

Speaking of which, if you're looking for a new maintainer or some help... 
*cough* *cough*. Although it's been some time since I personally dug into the 
code at all, but I can definitely think of a few improvements here and there. 
In any case if you guys are planning on another official release any time 
soon I do have some things here and there I'd like to fix that I can submit 
patches for. XForms seems to be getting a bit old and dusty.

Jason

> 
> 
> --
> 
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From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Mon Oct 24 08:54:12 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:54:12 +0200
Subject: [XForms] xforms and glibc 2.3, newer verson available?
In-Reply-To: <20051011145401.00A1E10A74A@mixing.qc.dfo.ca> (Peter Galbraith's
	message of "Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:54:01 -0400")
References: <OF25AB0DAF.0401B0BB-ON85257096.004CE817-85257096.004D5EFD@rockwellcollins.com>
	<20051011145401.00A1E10A74A@mixing.qc.dfo.ca>
Message-ID: <liyk6g313ez.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Peter" == Peter Galbraith <GalbraithP at dfo-mpo.gc.ca> writes:

Peter> To subscribers of the xforms list
Peter> <dadembro at rockwellcollins.com> wrote:

>> For the latest source try:
>> http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms

Peter> Debian is still using the stable release 1.0

Peter> Given that 1.0.90 has been a candidate for over one year
Peter> without apparent problems, would I update Debian with that?

Yes, I think you should.

JMarc


From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Mon Oct 24 09:03:23 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 15:03:23 +0200
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
In-Reply-To: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> (jason
	cipriani's message of "Sat, 22 Oct 2005 13:25:41 -0500")
References: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <liyirvn12zo.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "jason" == jason cipriani <jac4 at mindless.com> writes:

jason> I have been wondering the same thing. There has not been an
jason> update in quite some time. A while ago, there was a flurry of
jason> patches and activity but a new official release never came out.

The sad truth is that nothing is happening. We should have released
xforms 1.1 ages ago and there is no sign that this is going to
happen... 

jason> Speaking of which, if you're looking for a new maintainer or
jason> some help... *cough* *cough*. Although it's been some time
jason> since I personally dug into the code at all, but I can
jason> definitely think of a few improvements here and there. 

It might be a good solution indeed, although I can't speak for Angus.

jason> In any case if you guys are planning on another official
jason> release any time soon I do have some things here and there I'd
jason> like to fix that I can submit patches for.

I can't speak for Angus, but personally I'd like at least to release a
1.1 version with what we have now (plus the fl_set_locale() patch that
I never got around to apply). What do you have in store?

jason> XForms seems to be getting a bit old and dusty.

Sure.

JMarc


From Gayle.C.Roth at nasa.gov  Mon Oct 24 09:55:27 2005
From: Gayle.C.Roth at nasa.gov (Gayle C Roth)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 09:55:27 -0400
Subject: [XForms] xforms on VMS
Message-ID: <5.1.1.5.2.20051024094416.0100b8f0@popserve.grc.nasa.gov>

Hi,

I'm using a version of xforms I built on a VMS 7.3-2 system.  The 
application I'm building necessitates the use of a hibernate/wake mechanism 
(the program I'm working with calls the VMS system service 
sys$hiber).  I've found that, at least initially, a single call to 
sys$hiber is not enough -- it takes 2 calls to sys$hiber before the program 
actually hibernates.  I further discovered that this is because xforms is 
somehow setting the "wake-pending" bit.  Does anyone have an idea why and 
where xforms is setting this bit, and how I can keep it from happening?

Thanks,
Gayle




From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Tue Oct 25 05:18:53 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:18:53 +0100
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
In-Reply-To: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <200510251018.53224.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Saturday 22 October 2005 19:25, jason cipriani wrote:
> > It is a bit hard to find this list. There seems no advertisment at
> > http://savannah.nongnu.org/mail/?group=xforms

Patches are always welcome. Personally, I've no real html skills.

> > Are you still working on XForms?

Not really :)

> > GnuShi
>
> I have been wondering the same thing. There has not been an update in quite
> some time. A while ago, there was a flurry of patches and activity but a
> new official release never came out.

I got stuck trying to resolve what I believe is a major flaw. However, I 
eventually gave up because I do't have the X11 skills to fix the problem 
correctly. Tha's a shame, because the flaw is actually just a kludge in one 
small piece of code; someone with the right skills could probably fix it in a 
day.

> Speaking of which, if you're looking for a new maintainer or some help...
> *cough* *cough*. Although it's been some time since I personally dug into
> the code at all, but I can definitely think of a few improvements here and
> there. In any case if you guys are planning on another official release any
> time soon I do have some things here and there I'd like to fix that I can
> submit patches for. XForms seems to be getting a bit old and dusty.

Great! I think I'm going to grab your offer with both hands. My XForms days 
are very limited I'm afraid as I'm soon going to be empoyed by a company that 
actively prohibits GPL software development. OK, XForms is LGPL-licenced, 
but...

Please set up a savannah account if you don't have one already and mail me the 
details. I'll add you to the project's list of administrators.

Angus


From jac4 at mindless.com  Thu Oct 27 12:04:16 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:04:16 -0500
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
Message-ID: <20051027160418.E30DBCDA09@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

> I got stuck trying to resolve what I believe is a major flaw. However, I
> eventually gave up because I do't have the X11 skills to fix the problem
> correctly. Tha's a shame, because the flaw is actually just a kludge in one
> small piece of code; someone with the right skills could probably fix it in a
> day.

What is the flaw?

> Great! I think I'm going to grab your offer with both hands. My XForms days
> are very limited I'm afraid as I'm soon going to be empoyed by a company that
> actively prohibits GPL software development. OK, XForms is LGPL-licenced,
> but...
> 
> Please set up a savannah account if you don't have one already and mail me the
> details. I'll add you to the project's list of administrators.

Honestly, I didn't expect my offer to be met with such enthusiasm ;) I have a side project that I'm working on right now which will be finished around mid-December. Once that is over with, I will set up a Savannah account and give you the details. In the mean time, I'll put together all the changes I've made. They're all relatively minor, mostly fdesign related. After this project clears up then I'll have the time to start working on XForms more actively. I'll get back to you soon.

Jason




From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Thu Oct 27 12:19:02 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:19:02 +0100
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
In-Reply-To: <20051027160418.E30DBCDA09@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20051027160418.E30DBCDA09@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <200510271719.02876.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Thursday 27 October 2005 17:04, jason cipriani wrote:
> > I got stuck trying to resolve what I believe is a major flaw. However, I
> > eventually gave up because I do't have the X11 skills to fix the problem
> > correctly. Tha's a shame, because the flaw is actually just a kludge in
> > one small piece of code; someone with the right skills could probably fix
> > it in a day.
>
> What is the flaw?

In forms.c:

#if 1
    /* this is an ugly hack. This is necessary due to popup pointer grab
       where a button release is eaten. Really should do a send event from
       the pop-up routines */

    if (fl_pushobj && !button_down(fl_keymask) /* && event == FL_ENTER */ )
    {
	obj = fl_pushobj;
	fl_pushobj = NULL;
	fl_handle_object(obj, FL_RELEASE, xx, yy, key, xev);
    }
#endif

It has unpleasant consequences all over the place.

> Honestly, I didn't expect my offer to be met with such enthusiasm ;) I have
> a side project that I'm working on right now which will be finished around
> mid-December. Once that is over with, I will set up a Savannah account and
> give you the details. In the mean time, I'll put together all the changes
> I've made. They're all relatively minor, mostly fdesign related. After this
> project clears up then I'll have the time to start working on XForms more
> actively. I'll get back to you soon.

Great!
Angus


From s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk  Mon Dec  5 10:12:20 2005
From: s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk (Sheila R. Bryant)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:12:20 +0000
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Solaris
Message-ID: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>

Hi everyone,

I'm trying to build xforms-1.0.90 on a Solaris 9 machine. I'm using 
gcc-3.2.2 to compile, and

./configure --prefix=/opt/tools --enable-demos --enable-warnings \
             --disable-gl

The problem comes when the demos are being built, ibrowser will not 
link, and I get

gcc -g -O -Wall -o .libs/ibrowser ibrowser.o  -L/usr/openwin/lib 
-L/opt/graphics/lib -L/opt/GNU/gcc-3.2.2/lib -L/opt/GNU/lib 
../image/.libs/libflimage.so ../lib/.libs/libforms.so -lSM -lICE 
/opt/graphics/lib/libjpeg.so -lXpm -lX11 -lsocket -lnsl -lc -lm 
-R/opt/tools/lib -R/opt/graphics/lib -R/usr/openwin/lib 
-R/opt/GNU/gcc-3.2.2/lib -R/opt/GNU/lib
Undefined                       first referenced
  symbol                             in file
.LLC90                              ../image/.libs/libflimage.so
ld: fatal: Symbol referencing errors. No output written to .libs/ibrowser
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
gmake[2]: *** [ibrowser] Error 1
gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/home/opt-user/download/xforms-1.0.90/demos'
gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/home/opt-user/download/xforms-1.0.90/demos'
gmake: *** [all-recursive] Error 1


This is a completely new one to me, and Google is not throwing up 
anything helpful. Does anyone have any ideas on what I might try? My aim 
is to get Lyx up and running, but until I can solve (or sidestep) this 
problem, I'm stuck.

Many thanks
-- 

Sheila
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dr. Sheila Bryant                        Software Applications Support
Email: S.R.Bryant at reading.ac.uk          Dept. of Meteorology,
Phone: 0118 378 6395                     University of Reading,

--------------------------------------------------------------------------


From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Mon Dec  5 10:23:50 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:23:50 +0000
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Solaris
In-Reply-To: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <200512051523.50227.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Monday 05 December 2005 15:12, Sheila R. Bryant wrote:
> This is a completely new one to me, and Google is not throwing up
> anything helpful. Does anyone have any ideas on what I might try? My aim
> is to get Lyx up and running, but until I can solve (or sidestep) this
> problem, I'm stuck.

Hi, Sheila. I've never seen this bug before, but if you want to compile XForms 
only to get LyX up and running, you don't really need the demos ;-)

Angus


From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Mon Dec  5 10:26:53 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:26:53 +0100
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Solaris
In-Reply-To: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk> (Sheila R. Bryant's message of
	"Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:12:20 +0000")
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Sheila" == Sheila R Bryant <s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk> writes:

Sheila> This is a completely new one to me, and Google is not throwing
Sheila> up anything helpful. Does anyone have any ideas on what I
Sheila> might try? My aim is to get Lyx up and running, but until I
Sheila> can solve (or sidestep) this problem, I'm stuck.

This is indeed weird, never heard of that.

But if you do not build the demos, everything is right, isn't it?

JMarc

PS: of course, you can also use the qt version of LyX, but I should
not say that here :)


From s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk  Mon Dec  5 10:43:06 2005
From: s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk (Sheila R. Bryant)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:43:06 +0000
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Solaris
In-Reply-To: <liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
	<liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
Message-ID: <4394600A.9040809@reading.ac.uk>

Hi JMarc,

Well, if I don't build the demos, xforms claims to build OK, but when I 
try to build LyX I get this problem come up. All the demos that build 
seem to run OK - assorted boxes, buttons, forms etc come up and go away 
in a controlled manner.

Where LyX falls down is in a test to find flimage_dup; I can reproduce 
the error with a test.c

char flimage_dup ();
int
main ()
{
flimage_dup ();
   ;
   return 0;
}

compiled with

gcc -o test test.c -L/opt/tools/lib -lflimage -ljpeg -lforms -lXpm

Hope that sheds some more light

Cheers

Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
>>>>>>"Sheila" == Sheila R Bryant <s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk> writes:
> 
> 
> Sheila> This is a completely new one to me, and Google is not throwing
> Sheila> up anything helpful. Does anyone have any ideas on what I
> Sheila> might try? My aim is to get Lyx up and running, but until I
> Sheila> can solve (or sidestep) this problem, I'm stuck.
> 
> This is indeed weird, never heard of that.
> 
> But if you do not build the demos, everything is right, isn't it?
> 
> JMarc
> 
> PS: of course, you can also use the qt version of LyX, but I should
> not say that here :)

-- 

Sheila
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dr. Sheila Bryant                        Software Applications Support
Email: S.R.Bryant at reading.ac.uk          Dept. of Meteorology,
Phone: 0118 378 6395                     University of Reading,

--------------------------------------------------------------------------


From mcrespo at ictp.trieste.it  Wed Dec  7 05:52:33 2005
From: mcrespo at ictp.trieste.it (CRESPO MARIA LIZ)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:52:33 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Windows
In-Reply-To: <liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
	<liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512071145360.31165@ssh-2>


what about building Xforms on Windows? Could someone tell me something 
about it?
Thank you.
Regards,
Maria Liz


**********************************************
Dr. Maria Liz Crespo
ICTP-INFN Laboratory
the Abdus Salam International Centre for Theoretical Physics
Via Beirut 31
34100 - Trieste (Italy)
Tel: 39 040 2249930
Fax: 39 040 224600
**********************************************


From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Wed Dec  7 06:27:09 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 12:27:09 +0100
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Windows
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512071145360.31165@ssh-2> (CRESPO MARIA LIZ's
	message of "Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:52:33 +0100 (CET)")
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
	<liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0512071145360.31165@ssh-2>
Message-ID: <liy8xuxywoi.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "CRESPO" == CRESPO MARIA LIZ <mcrespo at ictp.trieste.it> writes:

CRESPO> To subscribers of the xforms list what about building Xforms
CRESPO> on Windows? Could someone tell me something about it? 

You need cygwin and an X server. Other than that, it is supposed to
work with the latest 1.0.90 version. I'd be interested to know whether
it really works, though.

In might even work with mingw, I do not actually know.

JMarc


From christof.hoeke at e-7.com  Tue Feb  8 05:35:57 2005
From: christof.hoeke at e-7.com (christof.hoeke at e-7.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:35:57 +0100
Subject: [XForms] Xforms or XHTML 1.0 Forms Module
Message-ID: <96849388D2102F40AEF198798540F2E1E6B8E2@gt1mail1.gt.da-ag.local>

Hi,
A question regarding which forms dialect to choose as a basis for a web application processing framework.

Background
We developed a custom XML format to be used to describe and process (web) forms which itself is part of a custom XML format basically describing (web) pages and a processing/workflow part.
For the frontend it is transformed via XSLT to HTML/CSS to target desktop browsers (may later also be PDA or whatever). So the format has to include enough information for a semantically sufficient processing in it (accessibility is an issue). The layout information is in the enclosing format.
For the backend the same format is used for a kind of basic workflow and of course the processing of the input data (delegation to other applications, storing, validation etc).

For the next version currently in development the format needs to be changed anyway (not the best yet as it is more or less a pure layout format yet and not even complete regarding all form possibilities [grouping of option elements etc]). 
So we thought of using a standard format for the forms part of the format (which currently cannot be changed as a whole as it is also used for CMS generated static pages and which should not be needed anyway if just adding forms as a module). 

Anyway, we looked into Xforms (XTHML 2.0 forms) but wondered if they bring enough advantages compared to the second option, using simply XHTML 1.0 Forms.

Xforms:
- new format, needs to be learned and implemented, higher learning curve+ new standard and therefore possibly more futureproove format
- for basic layout information maybe label needing to be child of input (is this actually mandatory?) cannot easily be transformed to the HTML <label for="ID"> <input id="ID"> possibility
+ includes validation and separation of model and view
... Lots more of course

XHTML 1.0 Forms:
+ lots of experience, known format and fairly simple, easy to use
+ of course includes all elements we need for a transformation to HTML (fieldset/legend, input+label, @accesskey, @tabindex etc)
- validation/data-types and other stuff needs to be added with custom or Xforms parts
...

Maybe we don't yet understand Xforms right, but at the moment we tend to use XHTML 1.0 forms for the following reasons/questions, maybe anyone can share his opinions?
* can Xforms describe *all* possible HTML form elements without the need to add custom extensions? 
	* above <label for="ID"> <input id="ID"> example which seems difficult in XForms
	* fieldset/legend elements, select/optgroup/option elements etc
* submitting XML from the browser does not work yet so this part of Xforms would have to be committed anyway
* new widgets (range widget) cannot be used on browsers yet either
* workload to integrate Xforms compared to XHTML 1.0 forms seems much higher 
* later migration to xforms should not be too difficult

Any opinions would be great, thanks a lot 
chris



From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Tue Feb  8 06:55:01 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 12:55:01 +0100
Subject: [XForms] Xforms or XHTML 1.0 Forms Module
In-Reply-To: <96849388D2102F40AEF198798540F2E1E6B8E2@gt1mail1.gt.da-ag.local>
	(christof hoeke's message of "Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:35:57 +0100")
References: <96849388D2102F40AEF198798540F2E1E6B8E2@gt1mail1.gt.da-ag.local>
Message-ID: <liyy8dznu5m.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Christof" ==   <christof.hoeke at e-7.com> writes:

Christof> Hi, A question regarding which forms dialect to choose as a
Christof> basis for a web application processing framework.

Hello, you found the wrong xforms list. This list is for discussing
the old and venerable xforms GUI toolkit, not the new and exciting
XForms w3c standard (or whatever) :)

JMarc

From psg at debian.org  Tue Feb  8 09:22:41 2005
From: psg at debian.org (Peter S Galbraith)
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:22:41 -0500
Subject: [XForms] Re: XForms: Documentation 
In-Reply-To: Message from "T.C. Zhao" <tc_zhao@yahoo.com> 
	<20030908154838.51918.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com> 
References: <20030908154838.51918.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com> 
Message-ID: <20050208142241.8683AAB07E@mixing.qc.dfo.ca>

On Sept 8th 2003, T.C. Zhao <tc_zhao at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Sorry for the delay and thanks for the info. GPL it is.
> 
> I am currently travelling and will be back home end of September. Expect the
> free manual in October sometime.
> 
> -TC
> --- Peter S Galbraith <psg at debian.org> wrote:
> > To subscribers of the xforms list
> > 
> > 
> > T.C. Zhao <tc_zhao at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > All I need to do is boot up my old linux box and recover the doc
> > > and send it.  Will do this sometime in April (I've been travelling,
> > > and am sending this email from Tokyo).
> > > -TC
> > 
> > Hi T.C.,
> > 
> > I really hate to keep nagging you like this.  :-)
> > 
> > You meant to release the sources of the XForms manual last April but
> > never got around to it.  This is a reminder.  Also, please avoid using
> > the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) since it not a free software
> > license and therefore cannot be included in the Debian distribution.
> > Using the GPL would be fine.

Hello T.C.,

Consider this another nudge to release the sources of the XForms
manual.  On the plus side, I didn't nag you in 2004.  ;-)

Please consider taking some time to actually do this now, while the
sources still exist, and before you get hit by a bus or something and
they are gone forever.  The XForms sources have been free for a long
time now (Thanks!) and they really should have free documentation.

Thanks,
-- 
Peter S. Galbraith, Debian Developer          <psg at debian.org>
                                 http://people.debian.org/~psg
GPG key 1024/D2A913A1 - 97CE 866F F579 96EE  6E68 8170 35FF 799E

From msz at astrouw.edu.pl  Fri Mar 11 16:24:12 2005
From: msz at astrouw.edu.pl (Michal Szymanski)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:24:12 +0100
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
Message-ID: <20050311212412.GA13751@astrouw.edu.pl>

Hi,

I have a pretty complicated XForms application for controlling the
telscope. One of the object used is a "normal" (no selection) browser
for displaying messages to the user. I have noticed that the mouse wheel
(functioning, as reported by "xev", as Button 4 & 5) works mostly as
expected, i.e. scrolling the browser. Howerver, quite often, possibly
(although I am not sure) when the browser has many lines and I rotate
the wheel fast, the whole application crashes badly.

As such a crash is a very bad thing while the user is observing with the
telescope, I would like to disable the wheel, possibly only for that
browser (or my XForms application), as it worls fine in other
applications like xterm or mozilla. Is it doable?

regards, Michal. 

-- 
  Michal Szymanski (msz at astrouw dot edu dot pl)
  Warsaw University Observatory, Warszawa, POLAND

From jac4 at mindless.com  Sun Mar 13 01:21:04 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 01:21:04 -0500
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
Message-ID: <20050313062104.5B3C4CDA29@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

> As such a crash is a very bad thing while the user is observing with the
> telescope, I would like to disable the wheel, possibly only for that
> browser (or my XForms application), as it worls fine in other
> applications like xterm or mozilla. Is it doable?

I am not certain, but you may be able to do this with fl_set_object_prehandler(). You can set a prehandler for your browser and check to see if the xevent is a mouse wheel button event. If it is then return FL_PREEMPT from the prehandler, and that should prevent the event from reaching the browser.

Documentation is here:
http://www.public.iastate.edu/~xforms/node6.html#6888

It's weird that it crashes, though. When you say it only happens in browsers with a lot of items, how many items is "a lot"?

Jason


From xforms2 at vjet.demon.co.uk  Sun Mar 13 17:11:44 2005
From: xforms2 at vjet.demon.co.uk (Clive A Stubbings)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:11:44 GMT
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
Message-ID: <200503132211.j2DMBiQ3001137@vjet.demon.co.uk>

Michal Szymanski  said:

> Howerver, quite often, possibly
> (although I am not sure) when the browser has many lines and I rotate
> the wheel fast, the whole application crashes badly.

jason cipriani said:

> It's weird that it crashes, though. When you say it only happens in
> browsers with a lot of items, how many items is "a lot"?

I'm with Jason on this one. I'd bet its a code bug in your app.. I use
big browser lists and I had exactly the same symptom. I spent a while 
suspecting xforms too - but it was me ;-(

If it helps at all, in my case, the root cause was it was a callback
being called with no line selected in the browser. I didn't check,
and ended up dereferenced a wild pointer and core-dumped.

Cheers
Clive

From msz at astrouw.edu.pl  Sun Mar 13 23:27:16 2005
From: msz at astrouw.edu.pl (Michal Szymanski)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 05:27:16 +0100
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
In-Reply-To: <200503132211.j2DMBiQ3001137@vjet.demon.co.uk>
References: <200503132211.j2DMBiQ3001137@vjet.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20050314042716.GA17162@astrouw.edu.pl>

> > Howerver, quite often, possibly
> > (although I am not sure) when the browser has many lines and I rotate
> > the wheel fast, the whole application crashes badly.
> 
> jason cipriani said:
> 
> > It's weird that it crashes, though. When you say it only happens in
> > browsers with a lot of items, how many items is "a lot"?
> 
> I'm with Jason on this one. I'd bet its a code bug in your app.. I use
> big browser lists and I had exactly the same symptom. I spent a while 
> suspecting xforms too - but it was me ;-(
> 
> If it helps at all, in my case, the root cause was it was a callback
> being called with no line selected in the browser. I didn't check,
> and ended up dereferenced a wild pointer and core-dumped.

It well might be a code bug. As I said before, the crashes are random
and my guess to link them to the number of lines in the browser and/or
the speed of rotating the mice wheel may be wrong. Unfortunately it is a
kind of "production" application, controlling real hardware, so I cannot
make too many experiments.

"A lot of lines" may be several thousand. The browser gets the messages
from the telescope control system, I would estimate this to 1600-1800
lines per night and the program can run several weeks if everything is
going fine.

As for the "callback" suggestion: it is a FL_NORMAL_BROWSER, so AFAIK
there should be no interaction requiring callbacks. Just the scrolling.

I managed to disable mouse buttons 4 & 5 (wheel) for the browser using
"prehandler".

regards, Michal.

-- 
  Michal Szymanski (msz at astrouw dot edu dot pl)
  Warsaw University Observatory, Warszawa, POLAND

From jac4 at mindless.com  Mon Mar 14 00:16:20 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 00:16:20 -0500
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
Message-ID: <20050314051620.9FBD62000B@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

> It well might be a code bug. As I said before, the crashes are random
> and my guess to link them to the number of lines in the browser and/or
> the speed of rotating the mice wheel may be wrong. Unfortunately it is a
> kind of "production" application, controlling real hardware, so I cannot
> make too many experiments.
> 
> "A lot of lines" may be several thousand. The browser gets the messages
> from the telescope control system, I would estimate this to 1600-1800
> lines per night and the program can run several weeks if everything is
> going fine.

Not related to XForms, but here's a design hint: If your application crashes, and that's really bad, write another program that constantly watches your application to see if it crashes, and restarts it if it does. For example, a program that fork+exec's your program, then waitpid's for it to terminate. I also write software to control/automate a lot of hardware stuff, and I speak from many unpleasant experiences. ;( Not much worse than coming back to work on Monday only to find your software crashed sometime Saturday morning.

Alternatively, if you don't trust your toolkit, I might also recommend taking more of a client/server approach where your "server" is always controlling/logging telescope data and your "client" is a separate process that is just a GUI that you can monitor the server with. That way, if XForms hiccups, the GUI will crash but you won't lose any data/control.

Anyways I made a browser with 30000 lines in it just for grins and moved the wheel up and down for about 5 whole minutes with no problems, I'd look into other areas to find the problem. Disabling the mouse wheel may solve one of the symptoms but if it's a weird bug then you don't know what other problems may be going on behind the scenes.

Well, good luck with your application. Sounds interesting. :)


From dstrang at chartermi.net  Thu Apr  7 21:02:24 2005
From: dstrang at chartermi.net (David Strang)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 21:02:24 -0400
Subject: [XForms] CygWin and Xforms 1.0.2
Message-ID: <000e01c53bd6$a1543e20$6401a8c0@athlon24>

I have been trying to get this version of xforms fully functional under Cygwin 
and now is time for enabling the GL demos. Configure can't find the glx header
file even though GL is installed and  glx.h and other GL files seem to exist
inside the "C:\cygwin\usr\X11R6\include\GL" folder. 

Could this be a path issue? But why doesn't GL get searched but the rest of
the stuff does?

Doesn't configure know where the GL stuff exists?

Any help here is appreciated...it must be something I'm over looking.

Regards,
Dave Strang


From jason.bentz at lmco.com  Tue Apr 19 13:40:29 2005
From: jason.bentz at lmco.com (Bentz, Jason)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:40:29 -0500
Subject: [XForms] xforms Window Moving Problem
Message-ID: <BE12A2C28D407645B76E15220BAAD9CF751659@emss02m19.us.lmco.com>

I'm using xforms-1.0.90 installed on Red Hat Linux Enterprise 3.0, and
have a GUI that was designed using xforms.  The problem I'm experiencing
is when trying to move the window that the GUI is in, on the desktop.
When I click & hold on the menu bar to move the window around the
desktop, sometimes I move the mouse pointer, and the window does not
follow, or will jump to the current location of the pointer after a
couple seconds.  It's very annoying, because it's unpredictable as to
what it will do.
 
I started playing around with some of the demo files, so that users
would be able to confirm or deny my findings.
 
fbrowse:
    One click on the menu bar (click and release) allows moving of the
window, then clicking (and release) to drop the window in it's place.
It takes about 2 seconds to respond to this first click though (the
window stays in it's current location, then jumps to the pointer
location).  Clicking and holding seems to respond the same way.
 
wwwl:
    Same as above.
 
cursor:
    Click and hold, then drag only responds every other time.  (I.E., if
I do that procedure once, the window moves, a second time, it doesn't, a
third time it does, a forth time it doesn't.)
 
symbols:
    Click and hold, then drag does not work at all, but if you unclick,
the window then follows the cursor.
 
Has anyone experienced these problems and come up with a work around for
it?  I would prefer that it respond as Windows does, in that you have to
click and hold, then drag, then release to drop the window.  When we had
this GUI working on an old DEC Alpha workstation, it behaved in this
way.
 

Jason


From xyzzy at speakeasy.org  Tue Apr 19 15:48:37 2005
From: xyzzy at speakeasy.org (Trent Piepho)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:48:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [XForms] xforms Window Moving Problem
In-Reply-To: <BE12A2C28D407645B76E15220BAAD9CF751659@emss02m19.us.lmco.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.04.10504191246100.14543-100000@c-24-18-248-22.hsd1.wa.comcast.net>

On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Bentz, Jason wrote:
> I'm using xforms-1.0.90 installed on Red Hat Linux Enterprise 3.0, and
> have a GUI that was designed using xforms.  The problem I'm experiencing
> is when trying to move the window that the GUI is in, on the desktop.
> When I click & hold on the menu bar to move the window around the
> desktop, sometimes I move the mouse pointer, and the window does not
> follow, or will jump to the current location of the pointer after a
> couple seconds.  It's very annoying, because it's unpredictable as to
> what it will do.

This sounds like a function of the window manager, and not xforms.  Does this
only happen with xforms programs, or can you duplicate it with something else
like xclock or firefox?


From jason.bentz at lmco.com  Tue Apr 19 15:56:02 2005
From: jason.bentz at lmco.com (Bentz, Jason)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:56:02 -0500
Subject: [XForms] xforms Window Moving Problem
Message-ID: <BE12A2C28D407645B76E15220BAAD9CF754932@emss02m19.us.lmco.com>

Actually, I was just about to reply and let you all know that it appears
to be an Xwindows thing, not xforms.

If I use ktimer (accessories), I also get the strange behavior.  When
looking in Preferences>>Windows, I see the setting, hold-to-move window
(which is set to ALT).  There is no way to turn this off, at least with
the GUI interface.  A normal terminal window is able to be moved by just
clicking & holding the left mouse button, but to click & hold to move
the xforms windows (or ktimer), I must hold down ALT.

What I'm wondering, if there is a way to disable this hold-to-move
option in the Preferences>>Windows GUI setting?  Maybe there is a way to
manually edit a text file to remove this setting... 

Jason

-----Original Message-----
From: Trent Piepho [mailto:xyzzy at speakeasy.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 2:49 PM
To: Bentz, Jason
Cc: xforms at bob.usuhs.mil
Subject: Re: [XForms] xforms Window Moving Problem

On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Bentz, Jason wrote:
> I'm using xforms-1.0.90 installed on Red Hat Linux Enterprise 3.0, and

> have a GUI that was designed using xforms.  The problem I'm 
> experiencing is when trying to move the window that the GUI is in, on
the desktop.
> When I click & hold on the menu bar to move the window around the 
> desktop, sometimes I move the mouse pointer, and the window does not 
> follow, or will jump to the current location of the pointer after a 
> couple seconds.  It's very annoying, because it's unpredictable as to 
> what it will do.

This sounds like a function of the window manager, and not xforms.  Does
this only happen with xforms programs, or can you duplicate it with
something else like xclock or firefox?




From robert.lawless at ericsson.com  Tue May  3 09:59:39 2005
From: robert.lawless at ericsson.com (Robert Lawless (BH/LMI))
Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 15:59:39 +0200 
Subject: [XForms] Xml Schema instance generation using X-forms
Message-ID: <9B90FC9233F6E94493FF4FD8E0BA247DAAFE2E@eiedbnt502>

Hey folk,
i am quite new to X-Forms....i want to use X-Froms to present a UI to the user based on a certain Xml schema....i.e the user enters in data & out pops out an Xml instance according to this schema......would it be possible to make this generic i.e one would be able to attach any schema with X-Forms presenting a suitable UI & when the users inputs the data, out pops the Xml instance according to the inputted schema

thanks in advance 
Rob

From Todd.Denniston at ssa.crane.navy.mil  Tue May  3 11:19:02 2005
From: Todd.Denniston at ssa.crane.navy.mil (Todd Denniston)
Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 10:19:02 -0500
Subject: [XForms] Xml Schema instance generation using X-forms
References: <9B90FC9233F6E94493FF4FD8E0BA247DAAFE2E@eiedbnt502>
Message-ID: <42779666.B20F0051@ssa.crane.navy.mil>

"Robert Lawless (BH/LMI)" wrote:
> 
> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> Hey folk,
> i am quite new to X-Forms....i want to use X-Froms to present a UI to the user based on a certain Xml schema....i.e the user enters in data & out pops out an Xml instance according to this schema......would it be possible to make this generic i.e one would be able to attach any schema with X-Forms presenting a suitable UI & when the users inputs the data, out pops the Xml instance according to the inputted schema
> 
> thanks in advance
> Rob

Rob, lets first make sure you are asking in the correct group, as there has
been some confusion in the past.
To us XForms is described at [1] as:
"XForms is a GUI toolkit based on Xlib for X Window Systems. It features a
rich set of objects, such as buttons, scrollbars, and menus etc. integrated
into an easy and efficient object/event callback execution model that allows
fast and easy construction of X-applications. In addition, the library is
extensible and new objects can easily be created and added to the library."

To the W3C, XForms is described at [2] as:
"XForms" is W3C's name for a specification of Web forms that can be used
with a wide variety of platforms including desktop computers, hand helds,
information appliances, and even paper. XForms started life as a subgroup of
the HTML Working Group, but has now been spun off as an independent
Activity.

IIRC, the GUI toolkit definition predates the W3C definition, but they use
it so we get the confusion.

So, do you want to do a X Windows System GUI, or a Web form? :)
if GUI, please ask again here (with some ideas of how you want to use the
Xml schema in XForms) otherwise see the links on [2] under the heading "The
XForms Public Mailing List" (funny, the W3C does not have a nice page with
links to the subsections of its home page :).

[1] http://world.std.com/~xforms/
[2] http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/

-- 
Todd Denniston
Crane Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC Crane) 
Harnessing the Power of Technology for the Warfighter

From lingzsweet at yahoo.com  Thu May 19 11:23:02 2005
From: lingzsweet at yahoo.com (Lings)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 08:23:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [XForms] DTD in Xforms
Message-ID: <20050519152303.65083.qmail@web21323.mail.yahoo.com>

Can I use DTD instead of XML Schema in XForms?


		
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From lingzsweet at yahoo.com  Thu May 19 11:32:27 2005
From: lingzsweet at yahoo.com (Lings)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 08:32:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [XForms] XForms User Interface
Message-ID: <20050519153227.94971.qmail@web21327.mail.yahoo.com>

Hallo, I'm very new in xforms. That's why I'm joining this mailing list.
What I want to ask is :
Is ist possible to use another file (xml file) to specifying the input control in my form?
i.e  template.xml
 
<quality_form>
     <text_field>
         <name/>
         <value/>
     </text_field>
     <checkbox>
         <name/>
         <value/>
     </checkbox>
     <text_area>
         <name/>
         <value/>
     </text_area>
</quality_form>

 
This xml file will "tell" my xforms page to contain 1 text field, 1 check box and 1 text area in the user interface section. With name (as label) and value are specified in the xforms page. This form also generated another xml file that will save the data..

template.xml >> xforms >> data.xml
 
So, can XForms handle this? or should I use other application to support xforms? Or maybe any other solutions?

		
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From tompoe at amihost.com  Fri May 27 19:16:45 2005
From: tompoe at amihost.com (tom poe)
Date: 27 May 2005 16:16:45 -0700
Subject: [XForms] what is the correct URL for download?
Message-ID: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>

ftp://ncmir.ucsd.edu/pub/xforms/linux-i386
doesn't let me download xforms for i386 linux.  I copied the above URL
from the mirror page
http://world.std.com/~xforms/ftp/ftp.html
Thanks,
Tom



From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Sun May 29 09:17:34 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 14:17:34 +0100
Subject: [XForms] what is the correct URL for download?
In-Reply-To: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Saturday 28 May 2005 00:16, tom poe wrote:
> To subscribers of the xforms list
>
>
> ftp://ncmir.ucsd.edu/pub/xforms/linux-i386
> doesn't let me download xforms for i386 linux.  I copied the above
> URL from the mirror page
> http://world.std.com/~xforms/ftp/ftp.html
> Thanks,
> Tom

http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms/

Angus

From jac4 at mindless.com  Wed Jul  6 16:11:22 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 20:11:22 -0000
Subject: [XForms] xforms mailing list
Message-ID: <20050706201121.3269DCDA8F@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

The archive is here, right...?

http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms/

I've been getting 403 forbidden errors there. Where is the archive now?



----- Original Message -----
From: "Angus Leeming" <angus.leeming at btopenworld.com>
To: xforms at bob.usuhs.mil
Subject: Re: [XForms] what is the correct URL for download?
Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 14:17:34 +0100

> 
> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> 
> On Saturday 28 May 2005 00:16, tom poe wrote:
> > To subscribers of the xforms list
> >
> >
> > ftp://ncmir.ucsd.edu/pub/xforms/linux-i386
> > doesn't let me download xforms for i386 linux.  I copied the above
> > URL from the mirror page
> > http://world.std.com/~xforms/ftp/ftp.html
> > Thanks,
> > Tom
> 
> http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms/
> 
> Angus
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see:
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms




From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Wed Jul 20 04:50:25 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 08:50:25 -0000
Subject: [XForms] Re: xforms mailing list
In-Reply-To: <20050706201121.3269DCDA8F@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20050706201121.3269DCDA8F@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <200507200950.09269.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Wednesday 06 July 2005 21:11, jason cipriani wrote:
> The archive is here, right...?
>
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms/
>
> I've been getting 403 forbidden errors there. Where is the archive
> now?

Looks like we have a problem. Bob?

Old archives:
http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/

Angus




From maili at heisch.inka.de  Fri Aug 19 05:08:15 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:08:15 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
Message-ID: <20050819110815.07b6b561@emig4.heisch.inka.de>

To subscribers of the xforms list

Hello

I am using xforms-1.0.90 and have a problem with the input object:
while editing, cursor moves two positions at a single keystroke (cursor
left).

Behaviour seems to be a bug in the library, but I'm not sure.

Is there any workaround you know ?


Thanks for any answers,

Gerald


From bob at bob.usuhs.mil  Fri Aug 26 11:18:18 2005
From: bob at bob.usuhs.mil (Robert Williams)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:18:18 -0400
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Message-ID: <430F32BA.3020607@bob.usuhs.mil>

Dear list,

The list went down just prior to my going on vacation.
I had move to a new machine and new version of OS
and mailman.   Sorry about that.
It should be working well now.  

Best Wishes,
Bob Williams
XForms list administrator



From jac4 at mindless.com  Mon Aug 29 21:38:26 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:38:26 -0500
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Message-ID: <20050830013826.F1D70CDA00@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

The list was actually down since at least July 6th (nearly 7 weeks), unless there was a period of uptime in the middle. Although I was apparently the last person ever to post to this list before it came back up, it seems... I received the post I made 7 weeks ago just a few days ago. 403 Forbidden errors, originally, if I'm not mistaken.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Williams" <bob at bob.usuhs.mil>
To: xforms at bob.usuhs.mil
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:18:18 -0400

> 
> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> Dear list,
> 
> The list went down just prior to my going on vacation.
> I had move to a new machine and new version of OS
> and mailman.   Sorry about that.
> It should be working well now.  Best Wishes,
> Bob Williams
> XForms list administrator
> 
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms




From jac4 at mindless.com  Mon Aug 29 21:39:50 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:39:50 -0500
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Message-ID: <20050830013950.2F069CD9FE@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

Oh, I'm sorry, the 403 errors were for archive access. Which reminds me... what is the correct URL of the xforms mailing list archives now?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Williams" <bob at bob.usuhs.mil>
To: xforms at bob.usuhs.mil
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:18:18 -0400

> 
> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> Dear list,
> 
> The list went down just prior to my going on vacation.
> I had move to a new machine and new version of OS
> and mailman.   Sorry about that.
> It should be working well now.  Best Wishes,
> Bob Williams
> XForms list administrator
> 
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms




From bob at bob.usuhs.mil  Tue Aug 30 08:24:39 2005
From: bob at bob.usuhs.mil (Robert Williams)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 08:24:39 -0400
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
In-Reply-To: <20050830013950.2F069CD9FE@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20050830013950.2F069CD9FE@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <43145007.2080103@bob.usuhs.mil>

Dear Jason and list,

The archive access was also broken, I don't know when.
This is now restored, thanks to Jason for seeing this.
The correct URLs are as they were, listed below,
unless I'm missing something else.   The server should be
stable now for the next few years.

Bob,
XForms list admin

jason cipriani wrote:

>To subscribers of the xforms list
>
>Oh, I'm sorry, the 403 errors were for archive access. Which reminds me... what is the correct URL of the xforms mailing list archives now?
>  
>
>_______________________________________________
>To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
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>  
>



From maili at heisch.inka.de  Wed Aug 31 00:55:55 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 06:55:55 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
Message-ID: <20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>

To subscribers of the xforms list

Hello

I am using xforms-1.0.90 and have a problem with the input object:
while editing, cursor moves two positions at a single keystroke (cursor
left).

Behaviour seems to be a bug in the library, but I'm not sure.

Is there any workaround you know ?


Thanks for any answers,

Gerald


From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Wed Aug 31 04:55:42 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:55:42 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de> (Gerald Emig's
	message of "Wed, 31 Aug 2005 06:55:55 +0200")
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
Message-ID: <liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:

Gerald> To subscribers of the xforms list To subscribers of the xforms
Gerald> list

Gerald> Hello

Gerald> I am using xforms-1.0.90 and have a problem with the input
Gerald> object: while editing, cursor moves two positions at a single
Gerald> keystroke (cursor left).

Gerald> Behaviour seems to be a bug in the library, but I'm not sure.

Gerald> Is there any workaround you know ?

I do not know that problem. Could you give more details about your
settings?

JMarc


From maili at heisch.inka.de  Wed Aug 31 06:41:29 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:41:29 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
Message-ID: <20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de>



On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:55:42 +0200
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr> wrote:

> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> >>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:
> 
> Gerald> To subscribers of the xforms list To subscribers of the xforms
> Gerald> list
> 
> Gerald> Hello
> 
> Gerald> I am using xforms-1.0.90 and have a problem with the input
> Gerald> object: while editing, cursor moves two positions at a single
> Gerald> keystroke (cursor left).
> 
> Gerald> Behaviour seems to be a bug in the library, but I'm not sure.
> 
> Gerald> Is there any workaround you know ?
> 
> I do not know that problem. Could you give more details about your
> settings?

I use Suse Linux 9.1
I see this double jumping of the cursor in the input object I place on a
form as well as in the attributes dialogue of fdesign.
In a multiline input, hitting return produces two new lines...

Observation: ^b moves left correctly, Cursor Left not.



> 
> JMarc
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
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From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Wed Aug 31 07:43:02 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:43:02 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de> (Gerald Emig's
	message of "Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:41:29 +0200")
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
Message-ID: <liyzmqys56h.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:

Gerald> I use Suse Linux 9.1 I see this double jumping of the cursor
Gerald> in the input object I place on a form as well as in the
Gerald> attributes dialogue of fdesign. In a multiline input, hitting
Gerald> return produces two new lines...

Gerald> Observation: ^b moves left correctly, Cursor Left not.

Did you compile by yourself, or was xforms 1.0.90 bundled by suse?
They apply a big extra patch to xforms to support CJK
(chinese-japanese-korean) input, it this patch is probably not
perfect... 

You could try to report this bug to suse directly, or to build your
own xforms 1.0.90 to see whether it helps.

JMarc


From maili at heisch.inka.de  Wed Aug 31 08:13:13 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:13:13 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <liyzmqys56h.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyzmqys56h.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
Message-ID: <20050831141313.04d318ee@emig4.heisch.inka.de>

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:43:02 +0200
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr> wrote:

> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> >>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:
> 
> Gerald> I use Suse Linux 9.1 I see this double jumping of the cursor
> Gerald> in the input object I place on a form as well as in the
> Gerald> attributes dialogue of fdesign. In a multiline input, hitting
> Gerald> return produces two new lines...
> 
> Gerald> Observation: ^b moves left correctly, Cursor Left not.
> 
> Did you compile by yourself, or was xforms 1.0.90 bundled by suse?
> They apply a big extra patch to xforms to support CJK
> (chinese-japanese-korean) input, it this patch is probably not
> perfect... 

Thank you very much for the hint.

I use the Suse package, but I'll try to compile xforms myself as soon as
possible with suse 9.1 (I do not want to break my working environment
at the moment).

In the meanwhile I tried xforms under the recent suse 9.3.
First of all I had to compile the library myself because they do not
support it anymore (at least it seems so).
But with this self compiled lib all works great.


Thank you

Gerald 

> 
> You could try to report this bug to suse directly, or to build your
> own xforms 1.0.90 to see whether it helps.
> 
> JMarc
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
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From maili at heisch.inka.de  Sat Sep  3 12:20:52 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 18:20:52 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <20050831141313.04d318ee@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyzmqys56h.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<20050831141313.04d318ee@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
Message-ID: <20050903182052.6f9902c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>


Hello all,

I compiled xforms myself and this solved the problem.
Thanks for your help.

Gerald


On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:13:13 +0200
Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> wrote:

> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:43:02 +0200
> Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr> wrote:
> 
> > To subscribers of the xforms list
> > 
> > >>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:
> > 
> > Gerald> I use Suse Linux 9.1 I see this double jumping of the cursor
> > Gerald> in the input object I place on a form as well as in the
> > Gerald> attributes dialogue of fdesign. In a multiline input,
> > hitting Gerald> return produces two new lines...
> > 
> > Gerald> Observation: ^b moves left correctly, Cursor Left not.
> > 
> > Did you compile by yourself, or was xforms 1.0.90 bundled by suse?
> > They apply a big extra patch to xforms to support CJK
> > (chinese-japanese-korean) input, it this patch is probably not
> > perfect... 
> 
> Thank you very much for the hint.
> 
> I use the Suse package, but I'll try to compile xforms myself as soon
> as possible with suse 9.1 (I do not want to break my working
> environment at the moment).
> 
> In the meanwhile I tried xforms under the recent suse 9.3.
> First of all I had to compile the library myself because they do not
> support it anymore (at least it seems so).
> But with this self compiled lib all works great.
> 
> 
> Thank you
> 
> Gerald 
> 
> > 
> > You could try to report this bug to suse directly, or to build your
> > own xforms 1.0.90 to see whether it helps.
> > 
> > JMarc
> > _______________________________________________
> > To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> > xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> > http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> > XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> > List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> > http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> > Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
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> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
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From carsten.voss at rmit.edu.au  Mon Oct 10 03:21:34 2005
From: carsten.voss at rmit.edu.au (Carsten Voss)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:21:34 +1000
Subject: [XForms] xforms and glibc 2.3, newer verson available?
Message-ID: <s34aa33f.045@its-gw-inet57.its.rmit.edu.au>

Hi Folks,

I cannot seem to find a source download or an Linux RPM of xforms that will work on glibc2.3?
Any advice most welcome. Thanks.

I have installed version  xforms-0.89-3 which I believe is intended for glibc2.1. Unfortunitely I try and compile wulffman (which uses xforms) I receive referencing errors from libforms.a.

best regards,
Carsten Voss




From dadembro at rockwellcollins.com  Mon Oct 10 10:05:06 2005
From: dadembro at rockwellcollins.com (dadembro at rockwellcollins.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:05:06 -0400
Subject: [XForms] xforms and glibc 2.3, newer verson available?
In-Reply-To: <s34aa33f.045@its-gw-inet57.its.rmit.edu.au>
Message-ID: <OF25AB0DAF.0401B0BB-ON85257096.004CE817-85257096.004D5EFD@rockwellcollins.com>

Carsten,

For the latest source try:
      http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms

Slainte,
---d.dembrow



                                                                           
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To subscribers of the xforms list

Hi Folks,

I cannot seem to find a source download or an Linux RPM of xforms that will
work on glibc2.3?
Any advice most welcome. Thanks.

I have installed version  xforms-0.89-3 which I believe is intended for
glibc2.1. Unfortunitely I try and compile wulffman (which uses xforms) I
receive referencing errors from libforms.a.

best regards,
Carsten Voss


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From GalbraithP at dfo-mpo.gc.ca  Tue Oct 11 10:54:01 2005
From: GalbraithP at dfo-mpo.gc.ca (Peter Galbraith)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:54:01 -0400
Subject: [XForms] xforms and glibc 2.3, newer verson available? 
In-Reply-To: Message from <dadembro@rockwellcollins.com> of "Mon,
	10 Oct 2005 10:05:06 EDT."
	<OF25AB0DAF.0401B0BB-ON85257096.004CE817-85257096.004D5EFD@rockwellcollins.com>
References: <OF25AB0DAF.0401B0BB-ON85257096.004CE817-85257096.004D5EFD@rockwellcollins.com>
Message-ID: <20051011145401.00A1E10A74A@mixing.qc.dfo.ca>

<dadembro at rockwellcollins.com> wrote:

> For the latest source try:
>       http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms

Debian is still using the stable release 1.0

Given that 1.0.90 has been a candidate for over one year without
apparent problems, would I update Debian with that?

Thanks,

Peter


From gnushi at gmx.net  Sat Oct 22 11:18:59 2005
From: gnushi at gmx.net (Gnu Shi)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 17:18:59 +0200
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
Message-ID: <1129994339.7002.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>


Hi!

It is a bit hard to find this list. There seems no advertisment at
http://savannah.nongnu.org/mail/?group=xforms

Are you still working on XForms?

GnuShi


-- 



From jac4 at mindless.com  Sat Oct 22 14:25:41 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 13:25:41 -0500
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
Message-ID: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

> Hi!
> 
> It is a bit hard to find this list. There seems no advertisment at
> http://savannah.nongnu.org/mail/?group=xforms
> 
> Are you still working on XForms?
> 
> GnuShi

I have been wondering the same thing. There has not been an update in quite 
some time. A while ago, there was a flurry of patches and activity but a new 
official release never came out.

Speaking of which, if you're looking for a new maintainer or some help... 
*cough* *cough*. Although it's been some time since I personally dug into the 
code at all, but I can definitely think of a few improvements here and there. 
In any case if you guys are planning on another official release any time 
soon I do have some things here and there I'd like to fix that I can submit 
patches for. XForms seems to be getting a bit old and dusty.

Jason

> 
> 
> --
> 
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see:
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms




From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Mon Oct 24 08:54:12 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:54:12 +0200
Subject: [XForms] xforms and glibc 2.3, newer verson available?
In-Reply-To: <20051011145401.00A1E10A74A@mixing.qc.dfo.ca> (Peter Galbraith's
	message of "Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:54:01 -0400")
References: <OF25AB0DAF.0401B0BB-ON85257096.004CE817-85257096.004D5EFD@rockwellcollins.com>
	<20051011145401.00A1E10A74A@mixing.qc.dfo.ca>
Message-ID: <liyk6g313ez.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Peter" == Peter Galbraith <GalbraithP at dfo-mpo.gc.ca> writes:

Peter> To subscribers of the xforms list
Peter> <dadembro at rockwellcollins.com> wrote:

>> For the latest source try:
>> http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms

Peter> Debian is still using the stable release 1.0

Peter> Given that 1.0.90 has been a candidate for over one year
Peter> without apparent problems, would I update Debian with that?

Yes, I think you should.

JMarc


From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Mon Oct 24 09:03:23 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 15:03:23 +0200
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
In-Reply-To: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> (jason
	cipriani's message of "Sat, 22 Oct 2005 13:25:41 -0500")
References: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <liyirvn12zo.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "jason" == jason cipriani <jac4 at mindless.com> writes:

jason> I have been wondering the same thing. There has not been an
jason> update in quite some time. A while ago, there was a flurry of
jason> patches and activity but a new official release never came out.

The sad truth is that nothing is happening. We should have released
xforms 1.1 ages ago and there is no sign that this is going to
happen... 

jason> Speaking of which, if you're looking for a new maintainer or
jason> some help... *cough* *cough*. Although it's been some time
jason> since I personally dug into the code at all, but I can
jason> definitely think of a few improvements here and there. 

It might be a good solution indeed, although I can't speak for Angus.

jason> In any case if you guys are planning on another official
jason> release any time soon I do have some things here and there I'd
jason> like to fix that I can submit patches for.

I can't speak for Angus, but personally I'd like at least to release a
1.1 version with what we have now (plus the fl_set_locale() patch that
I never got around to apply). What do you have in store?

jason> XForms seems to be getting a bit old and dusty.

Sure.

JMarc


From Gayle.C.Roth at nasa.gov  Mon Oct 24 09:55:27 2005
From: Gayle.C.Roth at nasa.gov (Gayle C Roth)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 09:55:27 -0400
Subject: [XForms] xforms on VMS
Message-ID: <5.1.1.5.2.20051024094416.0100b8f0@popserve.grc.nasa.gov>

Hi,

I'm using a version of xforms I built on a VMS 7.3-2 system.  The 
application I'm building necessitates the use of a hibernate/wake mechanism 
(the program I'm working with calls the VMS system service 
sys$hiber).  I've found that, at least initially, a single call to 
sys$hiber is not enough -- it takes 2 calls to sys$hiber before the program 
actually hibernates.  I further discovered that this is because xforms is 
somehow setting the "wake-pending" bit.  Does anyone have an idea why and 
where xforms is setting this bit, and how I can keep it from happening?

Thanks,
Gayle




From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Tue Oct 25 05:18:53 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:18:53 +0100
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
In-Reply-To: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <200510251018.53224.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Saturday 22 October 2005 19:25, jason cipriani wrote:
> > It is a bit hard to find this list. There seems no advertisment at
> > http://savannah.nongnu.org/mail/?group=xforms

Patches are always welcome. Personally, I've no real html skills.

> > Are you still working on XForms?

Not really :)

> > GnuShi
>
> I have been wondering the same thing. There has not been an update in quite
> some time. A while ago, there was a flurry of patches and activity but a
> new official release never came out.

I got stuck trying to resolve what I believe is a major flaw. However, I 
eventually gave up because I do't have the X11 skills to fix the problem 
correctly. Tha's a shame, because the flaw is actually just a kludge in one 
small piece of code; someone with the right skills could probably fix it in a 
day.

> Speaking of which, if you're looking for a new maintainer or some help...
> *cough* *cough*. Although it's been some time since I personally dug into
> the code at all, but I can definitely think of a few improvements here and
> there. In any case if you guys are planning on another official release any
> time soon I do have some things here and there I'd like to fix that I can
> submit patches for. XForms seems to be getting a bit old and dusty.

Great! I think I'm going to grab your offer with both hands. My XForms days 
are very limited I'm afraid as I'm soon going to be empoyed by a company that 
actively prohibits GPL software development. OK, XForms is LGPL-licenced, 
but...

Please set up a savannah account if you don't have one already and mail me the 
details. I'll add you to the project's list of administrators.

Angus


From jac4 at mindless.com  Thu Oct 27 12:04:16 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:04:16 -0500
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
Message-ID: <20051027160418.E30DBCDA09@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

> I got stuck trying to resolve what I believe is a major flaw. However, I
> eventually gave up because I do't have the X11 skills to fix the problem
> correctly. Tha's a shame, because the flaw is actually just a kludge in one
> small piece of code; someone with the right skills could probably fix it in a
> day.

What is the flaw?

> Great! I think I'm going to grab your offer with both hands. My XForms days
> are very limited I'm afraid as I'm soon going to be empoyed by a company that
> actively prohibits GPL software development. OK, XForms is LGPL-licenced,
> but...
> 
> Please set up a savannah account if you don't have one already and mail me the
> details. I'll add you to the project's list of administrators.

Honestly, I didn't expect my offer to be met with such enthusiasm ;) I have a side project that I'm working on right now which will be finished around mid-December. Once that is over with, I will set up a Savannah account and give you the details. In the mean time, I'll put together all the changes I've made. They're all relatively minor, mostly fdesign related. After this project clears up then I'll have the time to start working on XForms more actively. I'll get back to you soon.

Jason




From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Thu Oct 27 12:19:02 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:19:02 +0100
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
In-Reply-To: <20051027160418.E30DBCDA09@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20051027160418.E30DBCDA09@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <200510271719.02876.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Thursday 27 October 2005 17:04, jason cipriani wrote:
> > I got stuck trying to resolve what I believe is a major flaw. However, I
> > eventually gave up because I do't have the X11 skills to fix the problem
> > correctly. Tha's a shame, because the flaw is actually just a kludge in
> > one small piece of code; someone with the right skills could probably fix
> > it in a day.
>
> What is the flaw?

In forms.c:

#if 1
    /* this is an ugly hack. This is necessary due to popup pointer grab
       where a button release is eaten. Really should do a send event from
       the pop-up routines */

    if (fl_pushobj && !button_down(fl_keymask) /* && event == FL_ENTER */ )
    {
	obj = fl_pushobj;
	fl_pushobj = NULL;
	fl_handle_object(obj, FL_RELEASE, xx, yy, key, xev);
    }
#endif

It has unpleasant consequences all over the place.

> Honestly, I didn't expect my offer to be met with such enthusiasm ;) I have
> a side project that I'm working on right now which will be finished around
> mid-December. Once that is over with, I will set up a Savannah account and
> give you the details. In the mean time, I'll put together all the changes
> I've made. They're all relatively minor, mostly fdesign related. After this
> project clears up then I'll have the time to start working on XForms more
> actively. I'll get back to you soon.

Great!
Angus


From s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk  Mon Dec  5 10:12:20 2005
From: s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk (Sheila R. Bryant)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:12:20 +0000
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Solaris
Message-ID: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>

Hi everyone,

I'm trying to build xforms-1.0.90 on a Solaris 9 machine. I'm using 
gcc-3.2.2 to compile, and

./configure --prefix=/opt/tools --enable-demos --enable-warnings \
             --disable-gl

The problem comes when the demos are being built, ibrowser will not 
link, and I get

gcc -g -O -Wall -o .libs/ibrowser ibrowser.o  -L/usr/openwin/lib 
-L/opt/graphics/lib -L/opt/GNU/gcc-3.2.2/lib -L/opt/GNU/lib 
../image/.libs/libflimage.so ../lib/.libs/libforms.so -lSM -lICE 
/opt/graphics/lib/libjpeg.so -lXpm -lX11 -lsocket -lnsl -lc -lm 
-R/opt/tools/lib -R/opt/graphics/lib -R/usr/openwin/lib 
-R/opt/GNU/gcc-3.2.2/lib -R/opt/GNU/lib
Undefined                       first referenced
  symbol                             in file
.LLC90                              ../image/.libs/libflimage.so
ld: fatal: Symbol referencing errors. No output written to .libs/ibrowser
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
gmake[2]: *** [ibrowser] Error 1
gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/home/opt-user/download/xforms-1.0.90/demos'
gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/home/opt-user/download/xforms-1.0.90/demos'
gmake: *** [all-recursive] Error 1


This is a completely new one to me, and Google is not throwing up 
anything helpful. Does anyone have any ideas on what I might try? My aim 
is to get Lyx up and running, but until I can solve (or sidestep) this 
problem, I'm stuck.

Many thanks
-- 

Sheila
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dr. Sheila Bryant                        Software Applications Support
Email: S.R.Bryant at reading.ac.uk          Dept. of Meteorology,
Phone: 0118 378 6395                     University of Reading,

--------------------------------------------------------------------------


From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Mon Dec  5 10:23:50 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:23:50 +0000
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Solaris
In-Reply-To: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <200512051523.50227.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Monday 05 December 2005 15:12, Sheila R. Bryant wrote:
> This is a completely new one to me, and Google is not throwing up
> anything helpful. Does anyone have any ideas on what I might try? My aim
> is to get Lyx up and running, but until I can solve (or sidestep) this
> problem, I'm stuck.

Hi, Sheila. I've never seen this bug before, but if you want to compile XForms 
only to get LyX up and running, you don't really need the demos ;-)

Angus


From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Mon Dec  5 10:26:53 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:26:53 +0100
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Solaris
In-Reply-To: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk> (Sheila R. Bryant's message of
	"Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:12:20 +0000")
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Sheila" == Sheila R Bryant <s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk> writes:

Sheila> This is a completely new one to me, and Google is not throwing
Sheila> up anything helpful. Does anyone have any ideas on what I
Sheila> might try? My aim is to get Lyx up and running, but until I
Sheila> can solve (or sidestep) this problem, I'm stuck.

This is indeed weird, never heard of that.

But if you do not build the demos, everything is right, isn't it?

JMarc

PS: of course, you can also use the qt version of LyX, but I should
not say that here :)


From s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk  Mon Dec  5 10:43:06 2005
From: s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk (Sheila R. Bryant)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:43:06 +0000
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Solaris
In-Reply-To: <liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
	<liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
Message-ID: <4394600A.9040809@reading.ac.uk>

Hi JMarc,

Well, if I don't build the demos, xforms claims to build OK, but when I 
try to build LyX I get this problem come up. All the demos that build 
seem to run OK - assorted boxes, buttons, forms etc come up and go away 
in a controlled manner.

Where LyX falls down is in a test to find flimage_dup; I can reproduce 
the error with a test.c

char flimage_dup ();
int
main ()
{
flimage_dup ();
   ;
   return 0;
}

compiled with

gcc -o test test.c -L/opt/tools/lib -lflimage -ljpeg -lforms -lXpm

Hope that sheds some more light

Cheers

Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
>>>>>>"Sheila" == Sheila R Bryant <s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk> writes:
> 
> 
> Sheila> This is a completely new one to me, and Google is not throwing
> Sheila> up anything helpful. Does anyone have any ideas on what I
> Sheila> might try? My aim is to get Lyx up and running, but until I
> Sheila> can solve (or sidestep) this problem, I'm stuck.
> 
> This is indeed weird, never heard of that.
> 
> But if you do not build the demos, everything is right, isn't it?
> 
> JMarc
> 
> PS: of course, you can also use the qt version of LyX, but I should
> not say that here :)

-- 

Sheila
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dr. Sheila Bryant                        Software Applications Support
Email: S.R.Bryant at reading.ac.uk          Dept. of Meteorology,
Phone: 0118 378 6395                     University of Reading,

--------------------------------------------------------------------------


From mcrespo at ictp.trieste.it  Wed Dec  7 05:52:33 2005
From: mcrespo at ictp.trieste.it (CRESPO MARIA LIZ)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:52:33 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Windows
In-Reply-To: <liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
	<liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512071145360.31165@ssh-2>


what about building Xforms on Windows? Could someone tell me something 
about it?
Thank you.
Regards,
Maria Liz


**********************************************
Dr. Maria Liz Crespo
ICTP-INFN Laboratory
the Abdus Salam International Centre for Theoretical Physics
Via Beirut 31
34100 - Trieste (Italy)
Tel: 39 040 2249930
Fax: 39 040 224600
**********************************************


From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Wed Dec  7 06:27:09 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 12:27:09 +0100
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Windows
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512071145360.31165@ssh-2> (CRESPO MARIA LIZ's
	message of "Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:52:33 +0100 (CET)")
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
	<liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0512071145360.31165@ssh-2>
Message-ID: <liy8xuxywoi.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "CRESPO" == CRESPO MARIA LIZ <mcrespo at ictp.trieste.it> writes:

CRESPO> To subscribers of the xforms list what about building Xforms
CRESPO> on Windows? Could someone tell me something about it? 

You need cygwin and an X server. Other than that, it is supposed to
work with the latest 1.0.90 version. I'd be interested to know whether
it really works, though.

In might even work with mingw, I do not actually know.

JMarc


From christof.hoeke at e-7.com  Tue Feb  8 05:35:57 2005
From: christof.hoeke at e-7.com (christof.hoeke at e-7.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:35:57 +0100
Subject: [XForms] Xforms or XHTML 1.0 Forms Module
Message-ID: <96849388D2102F40AEF198798540F2E1E6B8E2@gt1mail1.gt.da-ag.local>

Hi,
A question regarding which forms dialect to choose as a basis for a web application processing framework.

Background
We developed a custom XML format to be used to describe and process (web) forms which itself is part of a custom XML format basically describing (web) pages and a processing/workflow part.
For the frontend it is transformed via XSLT to HTML/CSS to target desktop browsers (may later also be PDA or whatever). So the format has to include enough information for a semantically sufficient processing in it (accessibility is an issue). The layout information is in the enclosing format.
For the backend the same format is used for a kind of basic workflow and of course the processing of the input data (delegation to other applications, storing, validation etc).

For the next version currently in development the format needs to be changed anyway (not the best yet as it is more or less a pure layout format yet and not even complete regarding all form possibilities [grouping of option elements etc]). 
So we thought of using a standard format for the forms part of the format (which currently cannot be changed as a whole as it is also used for CMS generated static pages and which should not be needed anyway if just adding forms as a module). 

Anyway, we looked into Xforms (XTHML 2.0 forms) but wondered if they bring enough advantages compared to the second option, using simply XHTML 1.0 Forms.

Xforms:
- new format, needs to be learned and implemented, higher learning curve+ new standard and therefore possibly more futureproove format
- for basic layout information maybe label needing to be child of input (is this actually mandatory?) cannot easily be transformed to the HTML <label for="ID"> <input id="ID"> possibility
+ includes validation and separation of model and view
... Lots more of course

XHTML 1.0 Forms:
+ lots of experience, known format and fairly simple, easy to use
+ of course includes all elements we need for a transformation to HTML (fieldset/legend, input+label, @accesskey, @tabindex etc)
- validation/data-types and other stuff needs to be added with custom or Xforms parts
...

Maybe we don't yet understand Xforms right, but at the moment we tend to use XHTML 1.0 forms for the following reasons/questions, maybe anyone can share his opinions?
* can Xforms describe *all* possible HTML form elements without the need to add custom extensions? 
	* above <label for="ID"> <input id="ID"> example which seems difficult in XForms
	* fieldset/legend elements, select/optgroup/option elements etc
* submitting XML from the browser does not work yet so this part of Xforms would have to be committed anyway
* new widgets (range widget) cannot be used on browsers yet either
* workload to integrate Xforms compared to XHTML 1.0 forms seems much higher 
* later migration to xforms should not be too difficult

Any opinions would be great, thanks a lot 
chris



From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Tue Feb  8 06:55:01 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 12:55:01 +0100
Subject: [XForms] Xforms or XHTML 1.0 Forms Module
In-Reply-To: <96849388D2102F40AEF198798540F2E1E6B8E2@gt1mail1.gt.da-ag.local>
	(christof hoeke's message of "Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:35:57 +0100")
References: <96849388D2102F40AEF198798540F2E1E6B8E2@gt1mail1.gt.da-ag.local>
Message-ID: <liyy8dznu5m.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Christof" ==   <christof.hoeke at e-7.com> writes:

Christof> Hi, A question regarding which forms dialect to choose as a
Christof> basis for a web application processing framework.

Hello, you found the wrong xforms list. This list is for discussing
the old and venerable xforms GUI toolkit, not the new and exciting
XForms w3c standard (or whatever) :)

JMarc

From psg at debian.org  Tue Feb  8 09:22:41 2005
From: psg at debian.org (Peter S Galbraith)
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:22:41 -0500
Subject: [XForms] Re: XForms: Documentation 
In-Reply-To: Message from "T.C. Zhao" <tc_zhao@yahoo.com> 
	<20030908154838.51918.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com> 
References: <20030908154838.51918.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com> 
Message-ID: <20050208142241.8683AAB07E@mixing.qc.dfo.ca>

On Sept 8th 2003, T.C. Zhao <tc_zhao at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Sorry for the delay and thanks for the info. GPL it is.
> 
> I am currently travelling and will be back home end of September. Expect the
> free manual in October sometime.
> 
> -TC
> --- Peter S Galbraith <psg at debian.org> wrote:
> > To subscribers of the xforms list
> > 
> > 
> > T.C. Zhao <tc_zhao at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > All I need to do is boot up my old linux box and recover the doc
> > > and send it.  Will do this sometime in April (I've been travelling,
> > > and am sending this email from Tokyo).
> > > -TC
> > 
> > Hi T.C.,
> > 
> > I really hate to keep nagging you like this.  :-)
> > 
> > You meant to release the sources of the XForms manual last April but
> > never got around to it.  This is a reminder.  Also, please avoid using
> > the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) since it not a free software
> > license and therefore cannot be included in the Debian distribution.
> > Using the GPL would be fine.

Hello T.C.,

Consider this another nudge to release the sources of the XForms
manual.  On the plus side, I didn't nag you in 2004.  ;-)

Please consider taking some time to actually do this now, while the
sources still exist, and before you get hit by a bus or something and
they are gone forever.  The XForms sources have been free for a long
time now (Thanks!) and they really should have free documentation.

Thanks,
-- 
Peter S. Galbraith, Debian Developer          <psg at debian.org>
                                 http://people.debian.org/~psg
GPG key 1024/D2A913A1 - 97CE 866F F579 96EE  6E68 8170 35FF 799E

From msz at astrouw.edu.pl  Fri Mar 11 16:24:12 2005
From: msz at astrouw.edu.pl (Michal Szymanski)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:24:12 +0100
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
Message-ID: <20050311212412.GA13751@astrouw.edu.pl>

Hi,

I have a pretty complicated XForms application for controlling the
telscope. One of the object used is a "normal" (no selection) browser
for displaying messages to the user. I have noticed that the mouse wheel
(functioning, as reported by "xev", as Button 4 & 5) works mostly as
expected, i.e. scrolling the browser. Howerver, quite often, possibly
(although I am not sure) when the browser has many lines and I rotate
the wheel fast, the whole application crashes badly.

As such a crash is a very bad thing while the user is observing with the
telescope, I would like to disable the wheel, possibly only for that
browser (or my XForms application), as it worls fine in other
applications like xterm or mozilla. Is it doable?

regards, Michal. 

-- 
  Michal Szymanski (msz at astrouw dot edu dot pl)
  Warsaw University Observatory, Warszawa, POLAND

From jac4 at mindless.com  Sun Mar 13 01:21:04 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 01:21:04 -0500
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
Message-ID: <20050313062104.5B3C4CDA29@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

> As such a crash is a very bad thing while the user is observing with the
> telescope, I would like to disable the wheel, possibly only for that
> browser (or my XForms application), as it worls fine in other
> applications like xterm or mozilla. Is it doable?

I am not certain, but you may be able to do this with fl_set_object_prehandler(). You can set a prehandler for your browser and check to see if the xevent is a mouse wheel button event. If it is then return FL_PREEMPT from the prehandler, and that should prevent the event from reaching the browser.

Documentation is here:
http://www.public.iastate.edu/~xforms/node6.html#6888

It's weird that it crashes, though. When you say it only happens in browsers with a lot of items, how many items is "a lot"?

Jason


From xforms2 at vjet.demon.co.uk  Sun Mar 13 17:11:44 2005
From: xforms2 at vjet.demon.co.uk (Clive A Stubbings)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:11:44 GMT
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
Message-ID: <200503132211.j2DMBiQ3001137@vjet.demon.co.uk>

Michal Szymanski  said:

> Howerver, quite often, possibly
> (although I am not sure) when the browser has many lines and I rotate
> the wheel fast, the whole application crashes badly.

jason cipriani said:

> It's weird that it crashes, though. When you say it only happens in
> browsers with a lot of items, how many items is "a lot"?

I'm with Jason on this one. I'd bet its a code bug in your app.. I use
big browser lists and I had exactly the same symptom. I spent a while 
suspecting xforms too - but it was me ;-(

If it helps at all, in my case, the root cause was it was a callback
being called with no line selected in the browser. I didn't check,
and ended up dereferenced a wild pointer and core-dumped.

Cheers
Clive

From msz at astrouw.edu.pl  Sun Mar 13 23:27:16 2005
From: msz at astrouw.edu.pl (Michal Szymanski)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 05:27:16 +0100
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
In-Reply-To: <200503132211.j2DMBiQ3001137@vjet.demon.co.uk>
References: <200503132211.j2DMBiQ3001137@vjet.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20050314042716.GA17162@astrouw.edu.pl>

> > Howerver, quite often, possibly
> > (although I am not sure) when the browser has many lines and I rotate
> > the wheel fast, the whole application crashes badly.
> 
> jason cipriani said:
> 
> > It's weird that it crashes, though. When you say it only happens in
> > browsers with a lot of items, how many items is "a lot"?
> 
> I'm with Jason on this one. I'd bet its a code bug in your app.. I use
> big browser lists and I had exactly the same symptom. I spent a while 
> suspecting xforms too - but it was me ;-(
> 
> If it helps at all, in my case, the root cause was it was a callback
> being called with no line selected in the browser. I didn't check,
> and ended up dereferenced a wild pointer and core-dumped.

It well might be a code bug. As I said before, the crashes are random
and my guess to link them to the number of lines in the browser and/or
the speed of rotating the mice wheel may be wrong. Unfortunately it is a
kind of "production" application, controlling real hardware, so I cannot
make too many experiments.

"A lot of lines" may be several thousand. The browser gets the messages
from the telescope control system, I would estimate this to 1600-1800
lines per night and the program can run several weeks if everything is
going fine.

As for the "callback" suggestion: it is a FL_NORMAL_BROWSER, so AFAIK
there should be no interaction requiring callbacks. Just the scrolling.

I managed to disable mouse buttons 4 & 5 (wheel) for the browser using
"prehandler".

regards, Michal.

-- 
  Michal Szymanski (msz at astrouw dot edu dot pl)
  Warsaw University Observatory, Warszawa, POLAND

From jac4 at mindless.com  Mon Mar 14 00:16:20 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 00:16:20 -0500
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
Message-ID: <20050314051620.9FBD62000B@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

> It well might be a code bug. As I said before, the crashes are random
> and my guess to link them to the number of lines in the browser and/or
> the speed of rotating the mice wheel may be wrong. Unfortunately it is a
> kind of "production" application, controlling real hardware, so I cannot
> make too many experiments.
> 
> "A lot of lines" may be several thousand. The browser gets the messages
> from the telescope control system, I would estimate this to 1600-1800
> lines per night and the program can run several weeks if everything is
> going fine.

Not related to XForms, but here's a design hint: If your application crashes, and that's really bad, write another program that constantly watches your application to see if it crashes, and restarts it if it does. For example, a program that fork+exec's your program, then waitpid's for it to terminate. I also write software to control/automate a lot of hardware stuff, and I speak from many unpleasant experiences. ;( Not much worse than coming back to work on Monday only to find your software crashed sometime Saturday morning.

Alternatively, if you don't trust your toolkit, I might also recommend taking more of a client/server approach where your "server" is always controlling/logging telescope data and your "client" is a separate process that is just a GUI that you can monitor the server with. That way, if XForms hiccups, the GUI will crash but you won't lose any data/control.

Anyways I made a browser with 30000 lines in it just for grins and moved the wheel up and down for about 5 whole minutes with no problems, I'd look into other areas to find the problem. Disabling the mouse wheel may solve one of the symptoms but if it's a weird bug then you don't know what other problems may be going on behind the scenes.

Well, good luck with your application. Sounds interesting. :)


From dstrang at chartermi.net  Thu Apr  7 21:02:24 2005
From: dstrang at chartermi.net (David Strang)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 21:02:24 -0400
Subject: [XForms] CygWin and Xforms 1.0.2
Message-ID: <000e01c53bd6$a1543e20$6401a8c0@athlon24>

I have been trying to get this version of xforms fully functional under Cygwin 
and now is time for enabling the GL demos. Configure can't find the glx header
file even though GL is installed and  glx.h and other GL files seem to exist
inside the "C:\cygwin\usr\X11R6\include\GL" folder. 

Could this be a path issue? But why doesn't GL get searched but the rest of
the stuff does?

Doesn't configure know where the GL stuff exists?

Any help here is appreciated...it must be something I'm over looking.

Regards,
Dave Strang


From jason.bentz at lmco.com  Tue Apr 19 13:40:29 2005
From: jason.bentz at lmco.com (Bentz, Jason)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:40:29 -0500
Subject: [XForms] xforms Window Moving Problem
Message-ID: <BE12A2C28D407645B76E15220BAAD9CF751659@emss02m19.us.lmco.com>

I'm using xforms-1.0.90 installed on Red Hat Linux Enterprise 3.0, and
have a GUI that was designed using xforms.  The problem I'm experiencing
is when trying to move the window that the GUI is in, on the desktop.
When I click & hold on the menu bar to move the window around the
desktop, sometimes I move the mouse pointer, and the window does not
follow, or will jump to the current location of the pointer after a
couple seconds.  It's very annoying, because it's unpredictable as to
what it will do.
 
I started playing around with some of the demo files, so that users
would be able to confirm or deny my findings.
 
fbrowse:
    One click on the menu bar (click and release) allows moving of the
window, then clicking (and release) to drop the window in it's place.
It takes about 2 seconds to respond to this first click though (the
window stays in it's current location, then jumps to the pointer
location).  Clicking and holding seems to respond the same way.
 
wwwl:
    Same as above.
 
cursor:
    Click and hold, then drag only responds every other time.  (I.E., if
I do that procedure once, the window moves, a second time, it doesn't, a
third time it does, a forth time it doesn't.)
 
symbols:
    Click and hold, then drag does not work at all, but if you unclick,
the window then follows the cursor.
 
Has anyone experienced these problems and come up with a work around for
it?  I would prefer that it respond as Windows does, in that you have to
click and hold, then drag, then release to drop the window.  When we had
this GUI working on an old DEC Alpha workstation, it behaved in this
way.
 

Jason


From xyzzy at speakeasy.org  Tue Apr 19 15:48:37 2005
From: xyzzy at speakeasy.org (Trent Piepho)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:48:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [XForms] xforms Window Moving Problem
In-Reply-To: <BE12A2C28D407645B76E15220BAAD9CF751659@emss02m19.us.lmco.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.04.10504191246100.14543-100000@c-24-18-248-22.hsd1.wa.comcast.net>

On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Bentz, Jason wrote:
> I'm using xforms-1.0.90 installed on Red Hat Linux Enterprise 3.0, and
> have a GUI that was designed using xforms.  The problem I'm experiencing
> is when trying to move the window that the GUI is in, on the desktop.
> When I click & hold on the menu bar to move the window around the
> desktop, sometimes I move the mouse pointer, and the window does not
> follow, or will jump to the current location of the pointer after a
> couple seconds.  It's very annoying, because it's unpredictable as to
> what it will do.

This sounds like a function of the window manager, and not xforms.  Does this
only happen with xforms programs, or can you duplicate it with something else
like xclock or firefox?


From jason.bentz at lmco.com  Tue Apr 19 15:56:02 2005
From: jason.bentz at lmco.com (Bentz, Jason)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:56:02 -0500
Subject: [XForms] xforms Window Moving Problem
Message-ID: <BE12A2C28D407645B76E15220BAAD9CF754932@emss02m19.us.lmco.com>

Actually, I was just about to reply and let you all know that it appears
to be an Xwindows thing, not xforms.

If I use ktimer (accessories), I also get the strange behavior.  When
looking in Preferences>>Windows, I see the setting, hold-to-move window
(which is set to ALT).  There is no way to turn this off, at least with
the GUI interface.  A normal terminal window is able to be moved by just
clicking & holding the left mouse button, but to click & hold to move
the xforms windows (or ktimer), I must hold down ALT.

What I'm wondering, if there is a way to disable this hold-to-move
option in the Preferences>>Windows GUI setting?  Maybe there is a way to
manually edit a text file to remove this setting... 

Jason

-----Original Message-----
From: Trent Piepho [mailto:xyzzy at speakeasy.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 2:49 PM
To: Bentz, Jason
Cc: xforms at bob.usuhs.mil
Subject: Re: [XForms] xforms Window Moving Problem

On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Bentz, Jason wrote:
> I'm using xforms-1.0.90 installed on Red Hat Linux Enterprise 3.0, and

> have a GUI that was designed using xforms.  The problem I'm 
> experiencing is when trying to move the window that the GUI is in, on
the desktop.
> When I click & hold on the menu bar to move the window around the 
> desktop, sometimes I move the mouse pointer, and the window does not 
> follow, or will jump to the current location of the pointer after a 
> couple seconds.  It's very annoying, because it's unpredictable as to 
> what it will do.

This sounds like a function of the window manager, and not xforms.  Does
this only happen with xforms programs, or can you duplicate it with
something else like xclock or firefox?




From robert.lawless at ericsson.com  Tue May  3 09:59:39 2005
From: robert.lawless at ericsson.com (Robert Lawless (BH/LMI))
Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 15:59:39 +0200 
Subject: [XForms] Xml Schema instance generation using X-forms
Message-ID: <9B90FC9233F6E94493FF4FD8E0BA247DAAFE2E@eiedbnt502>

Hey folk,
i am quite new to X-Forms....i want to use X-Froms to present a UI to the user based on a certain Xml schema....i.e the user enters in data & out pops out an Xml instance according to this schema......would it be possible to make this generic i.e one would be able to attach any schema with X-Forms presenting a suitable UI & when the users inputs the data, out pops the Xml instance according to the inputted schema

thanks in advance 
Rob

From Todd.Denniston at ssa.crane.navy.mil  Tue May  3 11:19:02 2005
From: Todd.Denniston at ssa.crane.navy.mil (Todd Denniston)
Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 10:19:02 -0500
Subject: [XForms] Xml Schema instance generation using X-forms
References: <9B90FC9233F6E94493FF4FD8E0BA247DAAFE2E@eiedbnt502>
Message-ID: <42779666.B20F0051@ssa.crane.navy.mil>

"Robert Lawless (BH/LMI)" wrote:
> 
> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> Hey folk,
> i am quite new to X-Forms....i want to use X-Froms to present a UI to the user based on a certain Xml schema....i.e the user enters in data & out pops out an Xml instance according to this schema......would it be possible to make this generic i.e one would be able to attach any schema with X-Forms presenting a suitable UI & when the users inputs the data, out pops the Xml instance according to the inputted schema
> 
> thanks in advance
> Rob

Rob, lets first make sure you are asking in the correct group, as there has
been some confusion in the past.
To us XForms is described at [1] as:
"XForms is a GUI toolkit based on Xlib for X Window Systems. It features a
rich set of objects, such as buttons, scrollbars, and menus etc. integrated
into an easy and efficient object/event callback execution model that allows
fast and easy construction of X-applications. In addition, the library is
extensible and new objects can easily be created and added to the library."

To the W3C, XForms is described at [2] as:
"XForms" is W3C's name for a specification of Web forms that can be used
with a wide variety of platforms including desktop computers, hand helds,
information appliances, and even paper. XForms started life as a subgroup of
the HTML Working Group, but has now been spun off as an independent
Activity.

IIRC, the GUI toolkit definition predates the W3C definition, but they use
it so we get the confusion.

So, do you want to do a X Windows System GUI, or a Web form? :)
if GUI, please ask again here (with some ideas of how you want to use the
Xml schema in XForms) otherwise see the links on [2] under the heading "The
XForms Public Mailing List" (funny, the W3C does not have a nice page with
links to the subsections of its home page :).

[1] http://world.std.com/~xforms/
[2] http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/

-- 
Todd Denniston
Crane Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC Crane) 
Harnessing the Power of Technology for the Warfighter

From lingzsweet at yahoo.com  Thu May 19 11:23:02 2005
From: lingzsweet at yahoo.com (Lings)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 08:23:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [XForms] DTD in Xforms
Message-ID: <20050519152303.65083.qmail@web21323.mail.yahoo.com>

Can I use DTD instead of XML Schema in XForms?


		
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From lingzsweet at yahoo.com  Thu May 19 11:32:27 2005
From: lingzsweet at yahoo.com (Lings)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 08:32:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [XForms] XForms User Interface
Message-ID: <20050519153227.94971.qmail@web21327.mail.yahoo.com>

Hallo, I'm very new in xforms. That's why I'm joining this mailing list.
What I want to ask is :
Is ist possible to use another file (xml file) to specifying the input control in my form?
i.e  template.xml
 
<quality_form>
     <text_field>
         <name/>
         <value/>
     </text_field>
     <checkbox>
         <name/>
         <value/>
     </checkbox>
     <text_area>
         <name/>
         <value/>
     </text_area>
</quality_form>

 
This xml file will "tell" my xforms page to contain 1 text field, 1 check box and 1 text area in the user interface section. With name (as label) and value are specified in the xforms page. This form also generated another xml file that will save the data..

template.xml >> xforms >> data.xml
 
So, can XForms handle this? or should I use other application to support xforms? Or maybe any other solutions?

		
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From tompoe at amihost.com  Fri May 27 19:16:45 2005
From: tompoe at amihost.com (tom poe)
Date: 27 May 2005 16:16:45 -0700
Subject: [XForms] what is the correct URL for download?
Message-ID: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>

ftp://ncmir.ucsd.edu/pub/xforms/linux-i386
doesn't let me download xforms for i386 linux.  I copied the above URL
from the mirror page
http://world.std.com/~xforms/ftp/ftp.html
Thanks,
Tom



From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Sun May 29 09:17:34 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 14:17:34 +0100
Subject: [XForms] what is the correct URL for download?
In-Reply-To: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Saturday 28 May 2005 00:16, tom poe wrote:
> To subscribers of the xforms list
>
>
> ftp://ncmir.ucsd.edu/pub/xforms/linux-i386
> doesn't let me download xforms for i386 linux.  I copied the above
> URL from the mirror page
> http://world.std.com/~xforms/ftp/ftp.html
> Thanks,
> Tom

http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms/

Angus

From jac4 at mindless.com  Wed Jul  6 16:11:22 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 20:11:22 -0000
Subject: [XForms] xforms mailing list
Message-ID: <20050706201121.3269DCDA8F@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

The archive is here, right...?

http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms/

I've been getting 403 forbidden errors there. Where is the archive now?



----- Original Message -----
From: "Angus Leeming" <angus.leeming at btopenworld.com>
To: xforms at bob.usuhs.mil
Subject: Re: [XForms] what is the correct URL for download?
Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 14:17:34 +0100

> 
> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> 
> On Saturday 28 May 2005 00:16, tom poe wrote:
> > To subscribers of the xforms list
> >
> >
> > ftp://ncmir.ucsd.edu/pub/xforms/linux-i386
> > doesn't let me download xforms for i386 linux.  I copied the above
> > URL from the mirror page
> > http://world.std.com/~xforms/ftp/ftp.html
> > Thanks,
> > Tom
> 
> http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms/
> 
> Angus
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see:
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms




From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Wed Jul 20 04:50:25 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 08:50:25 -0000
Subject: [XForms] Re: xforms mailing list
In-Reply-To: <20050706201121.3269DCDA8F@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20050706201121.3269DCDA8F@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <200507200950.09269.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Wednesday 06 July 2005 21:11, jason cipriani wrote:
> The archive is here, right...?
>
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms/
>
> I've been getting 403 forbidden errors there. Where is the archive
> now?

Looks like we have a problem. Bob?

Old archives:
http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/

Angus




From maili at heisch.inka.de  Fri Aug 19 05:08:15 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:08:15 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
Message-ID: <20050819110815.07b6b561@emig4.heisch.inka.de>

To subscribers of the xforms list

Hello

I am using xforms-1.0.90 and have a problem with the input object:
while editing, cursor moves two positions at a single keystroke (cursor
left).

Behaviour seems to be a bug in the library, but I'm not sure.

Is there any workaround you know ?


Thanks for any answers,

Gerald


From bob at bob.usuhs.mil  Fri Aug 26 11:18:18 2005
From: bob at bob.usuhs.mil (Robert Williams)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:18:18 -0400
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Message-ID: <430F32BA.3020607@bob.usuhs.mil>

Dear list,

The list went down just prior to my going on vacation.
I had move to a new machine and new version of OS
and mailman.   Sorry about that.
It should be working well now.  

Best Wishes,
Bob Williams
XForms list administrator



From jac4 at mindless.com  Mon Aug 29 21:38:26 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:38:26 -0500
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Message-ID: <20050830013826.F1D70CDA00@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

The list was actually down since at least July 6th (nearly 7 weeks), unless there was a period of uptime in the middle. Although I was apparently the last person ever to post to this list before it came back up, it seems... I received the post I made 7 weeks ago just a few days ago. 403 Forbidden errors, originally, if I'm not mistaken.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Williams" <bob at bob.usuhs.mil>
To: xforms at bob.usuhs.mil
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:18:18 -0400

> 
> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> Dear list,
> 
> The list went down just prior to my going on vacation.
> I had move to a new machine and new version of OS
> and mailman.   Sorry about that.
> It should be working well now.  Best Wishes,
> Bob Williams
> XForms list administrator
> 
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms




From jac4 at mindless.com  Mon Aug 29 21:39:50 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:39:50 -0500
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Message-ID: <20050830013950.2F069CD9FE@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

Oh, I'm sorry, the 403 errors were for archive access. Which reminds me... what is the correct URL of the xforms mailing list archives now?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Williams" <bob at bob.usuhs.mil>
To: xforms at bob.usuhs.mil
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:18:18 -0400

> 
> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> Dear list,
> 
> The list went down just prior to my going on vacation.
> I had move to a new machine and new version of OS
> and mailman.   Sorry about that.
> It should be working well now.  Best Wishes,
> Bob Williams
> XForms list administrator
> 
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms




From bob at bob.usuhs.mil  Tue Aug 30 08:24:39 2005
From: bob at bob.usuhs.mil (Robert Williams)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 08:24:39 -0400
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
In-Reply-To: <20050830013950.2F069CD9FE@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20050830013950.2F069CD9FE@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <43145007.2080103@bob.usuhs.mil>

Dear Jason and list,

The archive access was also broken, I don't know when.
This is now restored, thanks to Jason for seeing this.
The correct URLs are as they were, listed below,
unless I'm missing something else.   The server should be
stable now for the next few years.

Bob,
XForms list admin

jason cipriani wrote:

>To subscribers of the xforms list
>
>Oh, I'm sorry, the 403 errors were for archive access. Which reminds me... what is the correct URL of the xforms mailing list archives now?
>  
>
>_______________________________________________
>To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
>xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
>http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
>XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
>List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
>http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
>Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms
>
>  
>



From maili at heisch.inka.de  Wed Aug 31 00:55:55 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 06:55:55 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
Message-ID: <20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>

To subscribers of the xforms list

Hello

I am using xforms-1.0.90 and have a problem with the input object:
while editing, cursor moves two positions at a single keystroke (cursor
left).

Behaviour seems to be a bug in the library, but I'm not sure.

Is there any workaround you know ?


Thanks for any answers,

Gerald


From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Wed Aug 31 04:55:42 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:55:42 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de> (Gerald Emig's
	message of "Wed, 31 Aug 2005 06:55:55 +0200")
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
Message-ID: <liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:

Gerald> To subscribers of the xforms list To subscribers of the xforms
Gerald> list

Gerald> Hello

Gerald> I am using xforms-1.0.90 and have a problem with the input
Gerald> object: while editing, cursor moves two positions at a single
Gerald> keystroke (cursor left).

Gerald> Behaviour seems to be a bug in the library, but I'm not sure.

Gerald> Is there any workaround you know ?

I do not know that problem. Could you give more details about your
settings?

JMarc


From maili at heisch.inka.de  Wed Aug 31 06:41:29 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:41:29 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
Message-ID: <20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de>



On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:55:42 +0200
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr> wrote:

> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> >>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:
> 
> Gerald> To subscribers of the xforms list To subscribers of the xforms
> Gerald> list
> 
> Gerald> Hello
> 
> Gerald> I am using xforms-1.0.90 and have a problem with the input
> Gerald> object: while editing, cursor moves two positions at a single
> Gerald> keystroke (cursor left).
> 
> Gerald> Behaviour seems to be a bug in the library, but I'm not sure.
> 
> Gerald> Is there any workaround you know ?
> 
> I do not know that problem. Could you give more details about your
> settings?

I use Suse Linux 9.1
I see this double jumping of the cursor in the input object I place on a
form as well as in the attributes dialogue of fdesign.
In a multiline input, hitting return produces two new lines...

Observation: ^b moves left correctly, Cursor Left not.



> 
> JMarc
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms


From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Wed Aug 31 07:43:02 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:43:02 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de> (Gerald Emig's
	message of "Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:41:29 +0200")
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
Message-ID: <liyzmqys56h.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:

Gerald> I use Suse Linux 9.1 I see this double jumping of the cursor
Gerald> in the input object I place on a form as well as in the
Gerald> attributes dialogue of fdesign. In a multiline input, hitting
Gerald> return produces two new lines...

Gerald> Observation: ^b moves left correctly, Cursor Left not.

Did you compile by yourself, or was xforms 1.0.90 bundled by suse?
They apply a big extra patch to xforms to support CJK
(chinese-japanese-korean) input, it this patch is probably not
perfect... 

You could try to report this bug to suse directly, or to build your
own xforms 1.0.90 to see whether it helps.

JMarc


From maili at heisch.inka.de  Wed Aug 31 08:13:13 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:13:13 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <liyzmqys56h.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyzmqys56h.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
Message-ID: <20050831141313.04d318ee@emig4.heisch.inka.de>

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:43:02 +0200
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr> wrote:

> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> >>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:
> 
> Gerald> I use Suse Linux 9.1 I see this double jumping of the cursor
> Gerald> in the input object I place on a form as well as in the
> Gerald> attributes dialogue of fdesign. In a multiline input, hitting
> Gerald> return produces two new lines...
> 
> Gerald> Observation: ^b moves left correctly, Cursor Left not.
> 
> Did you compile by yourself, or was xforms 1.0.90 bundled by suse?
> They apply a big extra patch to xforms to support CJK
> (chinese-japanese-korean) input, it this patch is probably not
> perfect... 

Thank you very much for the hint.

I use the Suse package, but I'll try to compile xforms myself as soon as
possible with suse 9.1 (I do not want to break my working environment
at the moment).

In the meanwhile I tried xforms under the recent suse 9.3.
First of all I had to compile the library myself because they do not
support it anymore (at least it seems so).
But with this self compiled lib all works great.


Thank you

Gerald 

> 
> You could try to report this bug to suse directly, or to build your
> own xforms 1.0.90 to see whether it helps.
> 
> JMarc
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From maili at heisch.inka.de  Sat Sep  3 12:20:52 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 18:20:52 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <20050831141313.04d318ee@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyzmqys56h.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<20050831141313.04d318ee@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
Message-ID: <20050903182052.6f9902c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>


Hello all,

I compiled xforms myself and this solved the problem.
Thanks for your help.

Gerald


On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:13:13 +0200
Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> wrote:

> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:43:02 +0200
> Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr> wrote:
> 
> > To subscribers of the xforms list
> > 
> > >>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:
> > 
> > Gerald> I use Suse Linux 9.1 I see this double jumping of the cursor
> > Gerald> in the input object I place on a form as well as in the
> > Gerald> attributes dialogue of fdesign. In a multiline input,
> > hitting Gerald> return produces two new lines...
> > 
> > Gerald> Observation: ^b moves left correctly, Cursor Left not.
> > 
> > Did you compile by yourself, or was xforms 1.0.90 bundled by suse?
> > They apply a big extra patch to xforms to support CJK
> > (chinese-japanese-korean) input, it this patch is probably not
> > perfect... 
> 
> Thank you very much for the hint.
> 
> I use the Suse package, but I'll try to compile xforms myself as soon
> as possible with suse 9.1 (I do not want to break my working
> environment at the moment).
> 
> In the meanwhile I tried xforms under the recent suse 9.3.
> First of all I had to compile the library myself because they do not
> support it anymore (at least it seems so).
> But with this self compiled lib all works great.
> 
> 
> Thank you
> 
> Gerald 
> 
> > 
> > You could try to report this bug to suse directly, or to build your
> > own xforms 1.0.90 to see whether it helps.
> > 
> > JMarc
> > _______________________________________________
> > To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> > xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> > http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> > XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> > List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> > http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> > Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms
> _______________________________________________
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From carsten.voss at rmit.edu.au  Mon Oct 10 03:21:34 2005
From: carsten.voss at rmit.edu.au (Carsten Voss)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:21:34 +1000
Subject: [XForms] xforms and glibc 2.3, newer verson available?
Message-ID: <s34aa33f.045@its-gw-inet57.its.rmit.edu.au>

Hi Folks,

I cannot seem to find a source download or an Linux RPM of xforms that will work on glibc2.3?
Any advice most welcome. Thanks.

I have installed version  xforms-0.89-3 which I believe is intended for glibc2.1. Unfortunitely I try and compile wulffman (which uses xforms) I receive referencing errors from libforms.a.

best regards,
Carsten Voss




From dadembro at rockwellcollins.com  Mon Oct 10 10:05:06 2005
From: dadembro at rockwellcollins.com (dadembro at rockwellcollins.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:05:06 -0400
Subject: [XForms] xforms and glibc 2.3, newer verson available?
In-Reply-To: <s34aa33f.045@its-gw-inet57.its.rmit.edu.au>
Message-ID: <OF25AB0DAF.0401B0BB-ON85257096.004CE817-85257096.004D5EFD@rockwellcollins.com>

Carsten,

For the latest source try:
      http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms

Slainte,
---d.dembrow



                                                                           
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To subscribers of the xforms list

Hi Folks,

I cannot seem to find a source download or an Linux RPM of xforms that will
work on glibc2.3?
Any advice most welcome. Thanks.

I have installed version  xforms-0.89-3 which I believe is intended for
glibc2.1. Unfortunitely I try and compile wulffman (which uses xforms) I
receive referencing errors from libforms.a.

best regards,
Carsten Voss


_______________________________________________
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From GalbraithP at dfo-mpo.gc.ca  Tue Oct 11 10:54:01 2005
From: GalbraithP at dfo-mpo.gc.ca (Peter Galbraith)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:54:01 -0400
Subject: [XForms] xforms and glibc 2.3, newer verson available? 
In-Reply-To: Message from <dadembro@rockwellcollins.com> of "Mon,
	10 Oct 2005 10:05:06 EDT."
	<OF25AB0DAF.0401B0BB-ON85257096.004CE817-85257096.004D5EFD@rockwellcollins.com>
References: <OF25AB0DAF.0401B0BB-ON85257096.004CE817-85257096.004D5EFD@rockwellcollins.com>
Message-ID: <20051011145401.00A1E10A74A@mixing.qc.dfo.ca>

<dadembro at rockwellcollins.com> wrote:

> For the latest source try:
>       http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms

Debian is still using the stable release 1.0

Given that 1.0.90 has been a candidate for over one year without
apparent problems, would I update Debian with that?

Thanks,

Peter


From gnushi at gmx.net  Sat Oct 22 11:18:59 2005
From: gnushi at gmx.net (Gnu Shi)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 17:18:59 +0200
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
Message-ID: <1129994339.7002.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>


Hi!

It is a bit hard to find this list. There seems no advertisment at
http://savannah.nongnu.org/mail/?group=xforms

Are you still working on XForms?

GnuShi


-- 



From jac4 at mindless.com  Sat Oct 22 14:25:41 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 13:25:41 -0500
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
Message-ID: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

> Hi!
> 
> It is a bit hard to find this list. There seems no advertisment at
> http://savannah.nongnu.org/mail/?group=xforms
> 
> Are you still working on XForms?
> 
> GnuShi

I have been wondering the same thing. There has not been an update in quite 
some time. A while ago, there was a flurry of patches and activity but a new 
official release never came out.

Speaking of which, if you're looking for a new maintainer or some help... 
*cough* *cough*. Although it's been some time since I personally dug into the 
code at all, but I can definitely think of a few improvements here and there. 
In any case if you guys are planning on another official release any time 
soon I do have some things here and there I'd like to fix that I can submit 
patches for. XForms seems to be getting a bit old and dusty.

Jason

> 
> 
> --
> 
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see:
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms




From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Mon Oct 24 08:54:12 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:54:12 +0200
Subject: [XForms] xforms and glibc 2.3, newer verson available?
In-Reply-To: <20051011145401.00A1E10A74A@mixing.qc.dfo.ca> (Peter Galbraith's
	message of "Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:54:01 -0400")
References: <OF25AB0DAF.0401B0BB-ON85257096.004CE817-85257096.004D5EFD@rockwellcollins.com>
	<20051011145401.00A1E10A74A@mixing.qc.dfo.ca>
Message-ID: <liyk6g313ez.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Peter" == Peter Galbraith <GalbraithP at dfo-mpo.gc.ca> writes:

Peter> To subscribers of the xforms list
Peter> <dadembro at rockwellcollins.com> wrote:

>> For the latest source try:
>> http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms

Peter> Debian is still using the stable release 1.0

Peter> Given that 1.0.90 has been a candidate for over one year
Peter> without apparent problems, would I update Debian with that?

Yes, I think you should.

JMarc


From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Mon Oct 24 09:03:23 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 15:03:23 +0200
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
In-Reply-To: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> (jason
	cipriani's message of "Sat, 22 Oct 2005 13:25:41 -0500")
References: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <liyirvn12zo.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "jason" == jason cipriani <jac4 at mindless.com> writes:

jason> I have been wondering the same thing. There has not been an
jason> update in quite some time. A while ago, there was a flurry of
jason> patches and activity but a new official release never came out.

The sad truth is that nothing is happening. We should have released
xforms 1.1 ages ago and there is no sign that this is going to
happen... 

jason> Speaking of which, if you're looking for a new maintainer or
jason> some help... *cough* *cough*. Although it's been some time
jason> since I personally dug into the code at all, but I can
jason> definitely think of a few improvements here and there. 

It might be a good solution indeed, although I can't speak for Angus.

jason> In any case if you guys are planning on another official
jason> release any time soon I do have some things here and there I'd
jason> like to fix that I can submit patches for.

I can't speak for Angus, but personally I'd like at least to release a
1.1 version with what we have now (plus the fl_set_locale() patch that
I never got around to apply). What do you have in store?

jason> XForms seems to be getting a bit old and dusty.

Sure.

JMarc


From Gayle.C.Roth at nasa.gov  Mon Oct 24 09:55:27 2005
From: Gayle.C.Roth at nasa.gov (Gayle C Roth)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 09:55:27 -0400
Subject: [XForms] xforms on VMS
Message-ID: <5.1.1.5.2.20051024094416.0100b8f0@popserve.grc.nasa.gov>

Hi,

I'm using a version of xforms I built on a VMS 7.3-2 system.  The 
application I'm building necessitates the use of a hibernate/wake mechanism 
(the program I'm working with calls the VMS system service 
sys$hiber).  I've found that, at least initially, a single call to 
sys$hiber is not enough -- it takes 2 calls to sys$hiber before the program 
actually hibernates.  I further discovered that this is because xforms is 
somehow setting the "wake-pending" bit.  Does anyone have an idea why and 
where xforms is setting this bit, and how I can keep it from happening?

Thanks,
Gayle




From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Tue Oct 25 05:18:53 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:18:53 +0100
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
In-Reply-To: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <200510251018.53224.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Saturday 22 October 2005 19:25, jason cipriani wrote:
> > It is a bit hard to find this list. There seems no advertisment at
> > http://savannah.nongnu.org/mail/?group=xforms

Patches are always welcome. Personally, I've no real html skills.

> > Are you still working on XForms?

Not really :)

> > GnuShi
>
> I have been wondering the same thing. There has not been an update in quite
> some time. A while ago, there was a flurry of patches and activity but a
> new official release never came out.

I got stuck trying to resolve what I believe is a major flaw. However, I 
eventually gave up because I do't have the X11 skills to fix the problem 
correctly. Tha's a shame, because the flaw is actually just a kludge in one 
small piece of code; someone with the right skills could probably fix it in a 
day.

> Speaking of which, if you're looking for a new maintainer or some help...
> *cough* *cough*. Although it's been some time since I personally dug into
> the code at all, but I can definitely think of a few improvements here and
> there. In any case if you guys are planning on another official release any
> time soon I do have some things here and there I'd like to fix that I can
> submit patches for. XForms seems to be getting a bit old and dusty.

Great! I think I'm going to grab your offer with both hands. My XForms days 
are very limited I'm afraid as I'm soon going to be empoyed by a company that 
actively prohibits GPL software development. OK, XForms is LGPL-licenced, 
but...

Please set up a savannah account if you don't have one already and mail me the 
details. I'll add you to the project's list of administrators.

Angus


From jac4 at mindless.com  Thu Oct 27 12:04:16 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:04:16 -0500
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
Message-ID: <20051027160418.E30DBCDA09@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

> I got stuck trying to resolve what I believe is a major flaw. However, I
> eventually gave up because I do't have the X11 skills to fix the problem
> correctly. Tha's a shame, because the flaw is actually just a kludge in one
> small piece of code; someone with the right skills could probably fix it in a
> day.

What is the flaw?

> Great! I think I'm going to grab your offer with both hands. My XForms days
> are very limited I'm afraid as I'm soon going to be empoyed by a company that
> actively prohibits GPL software development. OK, XForms is LGPL-licenced,
> but...
> 
> Please set up a savannah account if you don't have one already and mail me the
> details. I'll add you to the project's list of administrators.

Honestly, I didn't expect my offer to be met with such enthusiasm ;) I have a side project that I'm working on right now which will be finished around mid-December. Once that is over with, I will set up a Savannah account and give you the details. In the mean time, I'll put together all the changes I've made. They're all relatively minor, mostly fdesign related. After this project clears up then I'll have the time to start working on XForms more actively. I'll get back to you soon.

Jason




From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Thu Oct 27 12:19:02 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:19:02 +0100
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
In-Reply-To: <20051027160418.E30DBCDA09@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20051027160418.E30DBCDA09@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <200510271719.02876.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Thursday 27 October 2005 17:04, jason cipriani wrote:
> > I got stuck trying to resolve what I believe is a major flaw. However, I
> > eventually gave up because I do't have the X11 skills to fix the problem
> > correctly. Tha's a shame, because the flaw is actually just a kludge in
> > one small piece of code; someone with the right skills could probably fix
> > it in a day.
>
> What is the flaw?

In forms.c:

#if 1
    /* this is an ugly hack. This is necessary due to popup pointer grab
       where a button release is eaten. Really should do a send event from
       the pop-up routines */

    if (fl_pushobj && !button_down(fl_keymask) /* && event == FL_ENTER */ )
    {
	obj = fl_pushobj;
	fl_pushobj = NULL;
	fl_handle_object(obj, FL_RELEASE, xx, yy, key, xev);
    }
#endif

It has unpleasant consequences all over the place.

> Honestly, I didn't expect my offer to be met with such enthusiasm ;) I have
> a side project that I'm working on right now which will be finished around
> mid-December. Once that is over with, I will set up a Savannah account and
> give you the details. In the mean time, I'll put together all the changes
> I've made. They're all relatively minor, mostly fdesign related. After this
> project clears up then I'll have the time to start working on XForms more
> actively. I'll get back to you soon.

Great!
Angus


From s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk  Mon Dec  5 10:12:20 2005
From: s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk (Sheila R. Bryant)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:12:20 +0000
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Solaris
Message-ID: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>

Hi everyone,

I'm trying to build xforms-1.0.90 on a Solaris 9 machine. I'm using 
gcc-3.2.2 to compile, and

./configure --prefix=/opt/tools --enable-demos --enable-warnings \
             --disable-gl

The problem comes when the demos are being built, ibrowser will not 
link, and I get

gcc -g -O -Wall -o .libs/ibrowser ibrowser.o  -L/usr/openwin/lib 
-L/opt/graphics/lib -L/opt/GNU/gcc-3.2.2/lib -L/opt/GNU/lib 
../image/.libs/libflimage.so ../lib/.libs/libforms.so -lSM -lICE 
/opt/graphics/lib/libjpeg.so -lXpm -lX11 -lsocket -lnsl -lc -lm 
-R/opt/tools/lib -R/opt/graphics/lib -R/usr/openwin/lib 
-R/opt/GNU/gcc-3.2.2/lib -R/opt/GNU/lib
Undefined                       first referenced
  symbol                             in file
.LLC90                              ../image/.libs/libflimage.so
ld: fatal: Symbol referencing errors. No output written to .libs/ibrowser
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
gmake[2]: *** [ibrowser] Error 1
gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/home/opt-user/download/xforms-1.0.90/demos'
gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/home/opt-user/download/xforms-1.0.90/demos'
gmake: *** [all-recursive] Error 1


This is a completely new one to me, and Google is not throwing up 
anything helpful. Does anyone have any ideas on what I might try? My aim 
is to get Lyx up and running, but until I can solve (or sidestep) this 
problem, I'm stuck.

Many thanks
-- 

Sheila
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dr. Sheila Bryant                        Software Applications Support
Email: S.R.Bryant at reading.ac.uk          Dept. of Meteorology,
Phone: 0118 378 6395                     University of Reading,

--------------------------------------------------------------------------


From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Mon Dec  5 10:23:50 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:23:50 +0000
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Solaris
In-Reply-To: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <200512051523.50227.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Monday 05 December 2005 15:12, Sheila R. Bryant wrote:
> This is a completely new one to me, and Google is not throwing up
> anything helpful. Does anyone have any ideas on what I might try? My aim
> is to get Lyx up and running, but until I can solve (or sidestep) this
> problem, I'm stuck.

Hi, Sheila. I've never seen this bug before, but if you want to compile XForms 
only to get LyX up and running, you don't really need the demos ;-)

Angus


From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Mon Dec  5 10:26:53 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:26:53 +0100
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Solaris
In-Reply-To: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk> (Sheila R. Bryant's message of
	"Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:12:20 +0000")
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Sheila" == Sheila R Bryant <s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk> writes:

Sheila> This is a completely new one to me, and Google is not throwing
Sheila> up anything helpful. Does anyone have any ideas on what I
Sheila> might try? My aim is to get Lyx up and running, but until I
Sheila> can solve (or sidestep) this problem, I'm stuck.

This is indeed weird, never heard of that.

But if you do not build the demos, everything is right, isn't it?

JMarc

PS: of course, you can also use the qt version of LyX, but I should
not say that here :)


From s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk  Mon Dec  5 10:43:06 2005
From: s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk (Sheila R. Bryant)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:43:06 +0000
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Solaris
In-Reply-To: <liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
	<liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
Message-ID: <4394600A.9040809@reading.ac.uk>

Hi JMarc,

Well, if I don't build the demos, xforms claims to build OK, but when I 
try to build LyX I get this problem come up. All the demos that build 
seem to run OK - assorted boxes, buttons, forms etc come up and go away 
in a controlled manner.

Where LyX falls down is in a test to find flimage_dup; I can reproduce 
the error with a test.c

char flimage_dup ();
int
main ()
{
flimage_dup ();
   ;
   return 0;
}

compiled with

gcc -o test test.c -L/opt/tools/lib -lflimage -ljpeg -lforms -lXpm

Hope that sheds some more light

Cheers

Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
>>>>>>"Sheila" == Sheila R Bryant <s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk> writes:
> 
> 
> Sheila> This is a completely new one to me, and Google is not throwing
> Sheila> up anything helpful. Does anyone have any ideas on what I
> Sheila> might try? My aim is to get Lyx up and running, but until I
> Sheila> can solve (or sidestep) this problem, I'm stuck.
> 
> This is indeed weird, never heard of that.
> 
> But if you do not build the demos, everything is right, isn't it?
> 
> JMarc
> 
> PS: of course, you can also use the qt version of LyX, but I should
> not say that here :)

-- 

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From mcrespo at ictp.trieste.it  Wed Dec  7 05:52:33 2005
From: mcrespo at ictp.trieste.it (CRESPO MARIA LIZ)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:52:33 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Windows
In-Reply-To: <liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
	<liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512071145360.31165@ssh-2>


what about building Xforms on Windows? Could someone tell me something 
about it?
Thank you.
Regards,
Maria Liz


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From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Wed Dec  7 06:27:09 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 12:27:09 +0100
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Windows
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512071145360.31165@ssh-2> (CRESPO MARIA LIZ's
	message of "Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:52:33 +0100 (CET)")
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
	<liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0512071145360.31165@ssh-2>
Message-ID: <liy8xuxywoi.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "CRESPO" == CRESPO MARIA LIZ <mcrespo at ictp.trieste.it> writes:

CRESPO> To subscribers of the xforms list what about building Xforms
CRESPO> on Windows? Could someone tell me something about it? 

You need cygwin and an X server. Other than that, it is supposed to
work with the latest 1.0.90 version. I'd be interested to know whether
it really works, though.

In might even work with mingw, I do not actually know.

JMarc


From christof.hoeke at e-7.com  Tue Feb  8 05:35:57 2005
From: christof.hoeke at e-7.com (christof.hoeke at e-7.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:35:57 +0100
Subject: [XForms] Xforms or XHTML 1.0 Forms Module
Message-ID: <96849388D2102F40AEF198798540F2E1E6B8E2@gt1mail1.gt.da-ag.local>

Hi,
A question regarding which forms dialect to choose as a basis for a web application processing framework.

Background
We developed a custom XML format to be used to describe and process (web) forms which itself is part of a custom XML format basically describing (web) pages and a processing/workflow part.
For the frontend it is transformed via XSLT to HTML/CSS to target desktop browsers (may later also be PDA or whatever). So the format has to include enough information for a semantically sufficient processing in it (accessibility is an issue). The layout information is in the enclosing format.
For the backend the same format is used for a kind of basic workflow and of course the processing of the input data (delegation to other applications, storing, validation etc).

For the next version currently in development the format needs to be changed anyway (not the best yet as it is more or less a pure layout format yet and not even complete regarding all form possibilities [grouping of option elements etc]). 
So we thought of using a standard format for the forms part of the format (which currently cannot be changed as a whole as it is also used for CMS generated static pages and which should not be needed anyway if just adding forms as a module). 

Anyway, we looked into Xforms (XTHML 2.0 forms) but wondered if they bring enough advantages compared to the second option, using simply XHTML 1.0 Forms.

Xforms:
- new format, needs to be learned and implemented, higher learning curve+ new standard and therefore possibly more futureproove format
- for basic layout information maybe label needing to be child of input (is this actually mandatory?) cannot easily be transformed to the HTML <label for="ID"> <input id="ID"> possibility
+ includes validation and separation of model and view
... Lots more of course

XHTML 1.0 Forms:
+ lots of experience, known format and fairly simple, easy to use
+ of course includes all elements we need for a transformation to HTML (fieldset/legend, input+label, @accesskey, @tabindex etc)
- validation/data-types and other stuff needs to be added with custom or Xforms parts
...

Maybe we don't yet understand Xforms right, but at the moment we tend to use XHTML 1.0 forms for the following reasons/questions, maybe anyone can share his opinions?
* can Xforms describe *all* possible HTML form elements without the need to add custom extensions? 
	* above <label for="ID"> <input id="ID"> example which seems difficult in XForms
	* fieldset/legend elements, select/optgroup/option elements etc
* submitting XML from the browser does not work yet so this part of Xforms would have to be committed anyway
* new widgets (range widget) cannot be used on browsers yet either
* workload to integrate Xforms compared to XHTML 1.0 forms seems much higher 
* later migration to xforms should not be too difficult

Any opinions would be great, thanks a lot 
chris



From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Tue Feb  8 06:55:01 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 12:55:01 +0100
Subject: [XForms] Xforms or XHTML 1.0 Forms Module
In-Reply-To: <96849388D2102F40AEF198798540F2E1E6B8E2@gt1mail1.gt.da-ag.local>
	(christof hoeke's message of "Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:35:57 +0100")
References: <96849388D2102F40AEF198798540F2E1E6B8E2@gt1mail1.gt.da-ag.local>
Message-ID: <liyy8dznu5m.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Christof" ==   <christof.hoeke at e-7.com> writes:

Christof> Hi, A question regarding which forms dialect to choose as a
Christof> basis for a web application processing framework.

Hello, you found the wrong xforms list. This list is for discussing
the old and venerable xforms GUI toolkit, not the new and exciting
XForms w3c standard (or whatever) :)

JMarc

From psg at debian.org  Tue Feb  8 09:22:41 2005
From: psg at debian.org (Peter S Galbraith)
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:22:41 -0500
Subject: [XForms] Re: XForms: Documentation 
In-Reply-To: Message from "T.C. Zhao" <tc_zhao@yahoo.com> 
	<20030908154838.51918.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com> 
References: <20030908154838.51918.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com> 
Message-ID: <20050208142241.8683AAB07E@mixing.qc.dfo.ca>

On Sept 8th 2003, T.C. Zhao <tc_zhao at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Sorry for the delay and thanks for the info. GPL it is.
> 
> I am currently travelling and will be back home end of September. Expect the
> free manual in October sometime.
> 
> -TC
> --- Peter S Galbraith <psg at debian.org> wrote:
> > To subscribers of the xforms list
> > 
> > 
> > T.C. Zhao <tc_zhao at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > All I need to do is boot up my old linux box and recover the doc
> > > and send it.  Will do this sometime in April (I've been travelling,
> > > and am sending this email from Tokyo).
> > > -TC
> > 
> > Hi T.C.,
> > 
> > I really hate to keep nagging you like this.  :-)
> > 
> > You meant to release the sources of the XForms manual last April but
> > never got around to it.  This is a reminder.  Also, please avoid using
> > the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) since it not a free software
> > license and therefore cannot be included in the Debian distribution.
> > Using the GPL would be fine.

Hello T.C.,

Consider this another nudge to release the sources of the XForms
manual.  On the plus side, I didn't nag you in 2004.  ;-)

Please consider taking some time to actually do this now, while the
sources still exist, and before you get hit by a bus or something and
they are gone forever.  The XForms sources have been free for a long
time now (Thanks!) and they really should have free documentation.

Thanks,
-- 
Peter S. Galbraith, Debian Developer          <psg at debian.org>
                                 http://people.debian.org/~psg
GPG key 1024/D2A913A1 - 97CE 866F F579 96EE  6E68 8170 35FF 799E

From msz at astrouw.edu.pl  Fri Mar 11 16:24:12 2005
From: msz at astrouw.edu.pl (Michal Szymanski)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:24:12 +0100
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
Message-ID: <20050311212412.GA13751@astrouw.edu.pl>

Hi,

I have a pretty complicated XForms application for controlling the
telscope. One of the object used is a "normal" (no selection) browser
for displaying messages to the user. I have noticed that the mouse wheel
(functioning, as reported by "xev", as Button 4 & 5) works mostly as
expected, i.e. scrolling the browser. Howerver, quite often, possibly
(although I am not sure) when the browser has many lines and I rotate
the wheel fast, the whole application crashes badly.

As such a crash is a very bad thing while the user is observing with the
telescope, I would like to disable the wheel, possibly only for that
browser (or my XForms application), as it worls fine in other
applications like xterm or mozilla. Is it doable?

regards, Michal. 

-- 
  Michal Szymanski (msz at astrouw dot edu dot pl)
  Warsaw University Observatory, Warszawa, POLAND

From jac4 at mindless.com  Sun Mar 13 01:21:04 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 01:21:04 -0500
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
Message-ID: <20050313062104.5B3C4CDA29@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

> As such a crash is a very bad thing while the user is observing with the
> telescope, I would like to disable the wheel, possibly only for that
> browser (or my XForms application), as it worls fine in other
> applications like xterm or mozilla. Is it doable?

I am not certain, but you may be able to do this with fl_set_object_prehandler(). You can set a prehandler for your browser and check to see if the xevent is a mouse wheel button event. If it is then return FL_PREEMPT from the prehandler, and that should prevent the event from reaching the browser.

Documentation is here:
http://www.public.iastate.edu/~xforms/node6.html#6888

It's weird that it crashes, though. When you say it only happens in browsers with a lot of items, how many items is "a lot"?

Jason


From xforms2 at vjet.demon.co.uk  Sun Mar 13 17:11:44 2005
From: xforms2 at vjet.demon.co.uk (Clive A Stubbings)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:11:44 GMT
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
Message-ID: <200503132211.j2DMBiQ3001137@vjet.demon.co.uk>

Michal Szymanski  said:

> Howerver, quite often, possibly
> (although I am not sure) when the browser has many lines and I rotate
> the wheel fast, the whole application crashes badly.

jason cipriani said:

> It's weird that it crashes, though. When you say it only happens in
> browsers with a lot of items, how many items is "a lot"?

I'm with Jason on this one. I'd bet its a code bug in your app.. I use
big browser lists and I had exactly the same symptom. I spent a while 
suspecting xforms too - but it was me ;-(

If it helps at all, in my case, the root cause was it was a callback
being called with no line selected in the browser. I didn't check,
and ended up dereferenced a wild pointer and core-dumped.

Cheers
Clive

From msz at astrouw.edu.pl  Sun Mar 13 23:27:16 2005
From: msz at astrouw.edu.pl (Michal Szymanski)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 05:27:16 +0100
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
In-Reply-To: <200503132211.j2DMBiQ3001137@vjet.demon.co.uk>
References: <200503132211.j2DMBiQ3001137@vjet.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20050314042716.GA17162@astrouw.edu.pl>

> > Howerver, quite often, possibly
> > (although I am not sure) when the browser has many lines and I rotate
> > the wheel fast, the whole application crashes badly.
> 
> jason cipriani said:
> 
> > It's weird that it crashes, though. When you say it only happens in
> > browsers with a lot of items, how many items is "a lot"?
> 
> I'm with Jason on this one. I'd bet its a code bug in your app.. I use
> big browser lists and I had exactly the same symptom. I spent a while 
> suspecting xforms too - but it was me ;-(
> 
> If it helps at all, in my case, the root cause was it was a callback
> being called with no line selected in the browser. I didn't check,
> and ended up dereferenced a wild pointer and core-dumped.

It well might be a code bug. As I said before, the crashes are random
and my guess to link them to the number of lines in the browser and/or
the speed of rotating the mice wheel may be wrong. Unfortunately it is a
kind of "production" application, controlling real hardware, so I cannot
make too many experiments.

"A lot of lines" may be several thousand. The browser gets the messages
from the telescope control system, I would estimate this to 1600-1800
lines per night and the program can run several weeks if everything is
going fine.

As for the "callback" suggestion: it is a FL_NORMAL_BROWSER, so AFAIK
there should be no interaction requiring callbacks. Just the scrolling.

I managed to disable mouse buttons 4 & 5 (wheel) for the browser using
"prehandler".

regards, Michal.

-- 
  Michal Szymanski (msz at astrouw dot edu dot pl)
  Warsaw University Observatory, Warszawa, POLAND

From jac4 at mindless.com  Mon Mar 14 00:16:20 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 00:16:20 -0500
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
Message-ID: <20050314051620.9FBD62000B@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

> It well might be a code bug. As I said before, the crashes are random
> and my guess to link them to the number of lines in the browser and/or
> the speed of rotating the mice wheel may be wrong. Unfortunately it is a
> kind of "production" application, controlling real hardware, so I cannot
> make too many experiments.
> 
> "A lot of lines" may be several thousand. The browser gets the messages
> from the telescope control system, I would estimate this to 1600-1800
> lines per night and the program can run several weeks if everything is
> going fine.

Not related to XForms, but here's a design hint: If your application crashes, and that's really bad, write another program that constantly watches your application to see if it crashes, and restarts it if it does. For example, a program that fork+exec's your program, then waitpid's for it to terminate. I also write software to control/automate a lot of hardware stuff, and I speak from many unpleasant experiences. ;( Not much worse than coming back to work on Monday only to find your software crashed sometime Saturday morning.

Alternatively, if you don't trust your toolkit, I might also recommend taking more of a client/server approach where your "server" is always controlling/logging telescope data and your "client" is a separate process that is just a GUI that you can monitor the server with. That way, if XForms hiccups, the GUI will crash but you won't lose any data/control.

Anyways I made a browser with 30000 lines in it just for grins and moved the wheel up and down for about 5 whole minutes with no problems, I'd look into other areas to find the problem. Disabling the mouse wheel may solve one of the symptoms but if it's a weird bug then you don't know what other problems may be going on behind the scenes.

Well, good luck with your application. Sounds interesting. :)


From dstrang at chartermi.net  Thu Apr  7 21:02:24 2005
From: dstrang at chartermi.net (David Strang)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 21:02:24 -0400
Subject: [XForms] CygWin and Xforms 1.0.2
Message-ID: <000e01c53bd6$a1543e20$6401a8c0@athlon24>

I have been trying to get this version of xforms fully functional under Cygwin 
and now is time for enabling the GL demos. Configure can't find the glx header
file even though GL is installed and  glx.h and other GL files seem to exist
inside the "C:\cygwin\usr\X11R6\include\GL" folder. 

Could this be a path issue? But why doesn't GL get searched but the rest of
the stuff does?

Doesn't configure know where the GL stuff exists?

Any help here is appreciated...it must be something I'm over looking.

Regards,
Dave Strang


From jason.bentz at lmco.com  Tue Apr 19 13:40:29 2005
From: jason.bentz at lmco.com (Bentz, Jason)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:40:29 -0500
Subject: [XForms] xforms Window Moving Problem
Message-ID: <BE12A2C28D407645B76E15220BAAD9CF751659@emss02m19.us.lmco.com>

I'm using xforms-1.0.90 installed on Red Hat Linux Enterprise 3.0, and
have a GUI that was designed using xforms.  The problem I'm experiencing
is when trying to move the window that the GUI is in, on the desktop.
When I click & hold on the menu bar to move the window around the
desktop, sometimes I move the mouse pointer, and the window does not
follow, or will jump to the current location of the pointer after a
couple seconds.  It's very annoying, because it's unpredictable as to
what it will do.
 
I started playing around with some of the demo files, so that users
would be able to confirm or deny my findings.
 
fbrowse:
    One click on the menu bar (click and release) allows moving of the
window, then clicking (and release) to drop the window in it's place.
It takes about 2 seconds to respond to this first click though (the
window stays in it's current location, then jumps to the pointer
location).  Clicking and holding seems to respond the same way.
 
wwwl:
    Same as above.
 
cursor:
    Click and hold, then drag only responds every other time.  (I.E., if
I do that procedure once, the window moves, a second time, it doesn't, a
third time it does, a forth time it doesn't.)
 
symbols:
    Click and hold, then drag does not work at all, but if you unclick,
the window then follows the cursor.
 
Has anyone experienced these problems and come up with a work around for
it?  I would prefer that it respond as Windows does, in that you have to
click and hold, then drag, then release to drop the window.  When we had
this GUI working on an old DEC Alpha workstation, it behaved in this
way.
 

Jason


From xyzzy at speakeasy.org  Tue Apr 19 15:48:37 2005
From: xyzzy at speakeasy.org (Trent Piepho)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:48:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [XForms] xforms Window Moving Problem
In-Reply-To: <BE12A2C28D407645B76E15220BAAD9CF751659@emss02m19.us.lmco.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.04.10504191246100.14543-100000@c-24-18-248-22.hsd1.wa.comcast.net>

On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Bentz, Jason wrote:
> I'm using xforms-1.0.90 installed on Red Hat Linux Enterprise 3.0, and
> have a GUI that was designed using xforms.  The problem I'm experiencing
> is when trying to move the window that the GUI is in, on the desktop.
> When I click & hold on the menu bar to move the window around the
> desktop, sometimes I move the mouse pointer, and the window does not
> follow, or will jump to the current location of the pointer after a
> couple seconds.  It's very annoying, because it's unpredictable as to
> what it will do.

This sounds like a function of the window manager, and not xforms.  Does this
only happen with xforms programs, or can you duplicate it with something else
like xclock or firefox?


From jason.bentz at lmco.com  Tue Apr 19 15:56:02 2005
From: jason.bentz at lmco.com (Bentz, Jason)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:56:02 -0500
Subject: [XForms] xforms Window Moving Problem
Message-ID: <BE12A2C28D407645B76E15220BAAD9CF754932@emss02m19.us.lmco.com>

Actually, I was just about to reply and let you all know that it appears
to be an Xwindows thing, not xforms.

If I use ktimer (accessories), I also get the strange behavior.  When
looking in Preferences>>Windows, I see the setting, hold-to-move window
(which is set to ALT).  There is no way to turn this off, at least with
the GUI interface.  A normal terminal window is able to be moved by just
clicking & holding the left mouse button, but to click & hold to move
the xforms windows (or ktimer), I must hold down ALT.

What I'm wondering, if there is a way to disable this hold-to-move
option in the Preferences>>Windows GUI setting?  Maybe there is a way to
manually edit a text file to remove this setting... 

Jason

-----Original Message-----
From: Trent Piepho [mailto:xyzzy at speakeasy.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 2:49 PM
To: Bentz, Jason
Cc: xforms at bob.usuhs.mil
Subject: Re: [XForms] xforms Window Moving Problem

On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Bentz, Jason wrote:
> I'm using xforms-1.0.90 installed on Red Hat Linux Enterprise 3.0, and

> have a GUI that was designed using xforms.  The problem I'm 
> experiencing is when trying to move the window that the GUI is in, on
the desktop.
> When I click & hold on the menu bar to move the window around the 
> desktop, sometimes I move the mouse pointer, and the window does not 
> follow, or will jump to the current location of the pointer after a 
> couple seconds.  It's very annoying, because it's unpredictable as to 
> what it will do.

This sounds like a function of the window manager, and not xforms.  Does
this only happen with xforms programs, or can you duplicate it with
something else like xclock or firefox?




From robert.lawless at ericsson.com  Tue May  3 09:59:39 2005
From: robert.lawless at ericsson.com (Robert Lawless (BH/LMI))
Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 15:59:39 +0200 
Subject: [XForms] Xml Schema instance generation using X-forms
Message-ID: <9B90FC9233F6E94493FF4FD8E0BA247DAAFE2E@eiedbnt502>

Hey folk,
i am quite new to X-Forms....i want to use X-Froms to present a UI to the user based on a certain Xml schema....i.e the user enters in data & out pops out an Xml instance according to this schema......would it be possible to make this generic i.e one would be able to attach any schema with X-Forms presenting a suitable UI & when the users inputs the data, out pops the Xml instance according to the inputted schema

thanks in advance 
Rob

From Todd.Denniston at ssa.crane.navy.mil  Tue May  3 11:19:02 2005
From: Todd.Denniston at ssa.crane.navy.mil (Todd Denniston)
Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 10:19:02 -0500
Subject: [XForms] Xml Schema instance generation using X-forms
References: <9B90FC9233F6E94493FF4FD8E0BA247DAAFE2E@eiedbnt502>
Message-ID: <42779666.B20F0051@ssa.crane.navy.mil>

"Robert Lawless (BH/LMI)" wrote:
> 
> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> Hey folk,
> i am quite new to X-Forms....i want to use X-Froms to present a UI to the user based on a certain Xml schema....i.e the user enters in data & out pops out an Xml instance according to this schema......would it be possible to make this generic i.e one would be able to attach any schema with X-Forms presenting a suitable UI & when the users inputs the data, out pops the Xml instance according to the inputted schema
> 
> thanks in advance
> Rob

Rob, lets first make sure you are asking in the correct group, as there has
been some confusion in the past.
To us XForms is described at [1] as:
"XForms is a GUI toolkit based on Xlib for X Window Systems. It features a
rich set of objects, such as buttons, scrollbars, and menus etc. integrated
into an easy and efficient object/event callback execution model that allows
fast and easy construction of X-applications. In addition, the library is
extensible and new objects can easily be created and added to the library."

To the W3C, XForms is described at [2] as:
"XForms" is W3C's name for a specification of Web forms that can be used
with a wide variety of platforms including desktop computers, hand helds,
information appliances, and even paper. XForms started life as a subgroup of
the HTML Working Group, but has now been spun off as an independent
Activity.

IIRC, the GUI toolkit definition predates the W3C definition, but they use
it so we get the confusion.

So, do you want to do a X Windows System GUI, or a Web form? :)
if GUI, please ask again here (with some ideas of how you want to use the
Xml schema in XForms) otherwise see the links on [2] under the heading "The
XForms Public Mailing List" (funny, the W3C does not have a nice page with
links to the subsections of its home page :).

[1] http://world.std.com/~xforms/
[2] http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/

-- 
Todd Denniston
Crane Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC Crane) 
Harnessing the Power of Technology for the Warfighter

From lingzsweet at yahoo.com  Thu May 19 11:23:02 2005
From: lingzsweet at yahoo.com (Lings)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 08:23:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [XForms] DTD in Xforms
Message-ID: <20050519152303.65083.qmail@web21323.mail.yahoo.com>

Can I use DTD instead of XML Schema in XForms?


		
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From lingzsweet at yahoo.com  Thu May 19 11:32:27 2005
From: lingzsweet at yahoo.com (Lings)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 08:32:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [XForms] XForms User Interface
Message-ID: <20050519153227.94971.qmail@web21327.mail.yahoo.com>

Hallo, I'm very new in xforms. That's why I'm joining this mailing list.
What I want to ask is :
Is ist possible to use another file (xml file) to specifying the input control in my form?
i.e  template.xml
 
<quality_form>
     <text_field>
         <name/>
         <value/>
     </text_field>
     <checkbox>
         <name/>
         <value/>
     </checkbox>
     <text_area>
         <name/>
         <value/>
     </text_area>
</quality_form>

 
This xml file will "tell" my xforms page to contain 1 text field, 1 check box and 1 text area in the user interface section. With name (as label) and value are specified in the xforms page. This form also generated another xml file that will save the data..

template.xml >> xforms >> data.xml
 
So, can XForms handle this? or should I use other application to support xforms? Or maybe any other solutions?

		
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From: tompoe at amihost.com (tom poe)
Date: 27 May 2005 16:16:45 -0700
Subject: [XForms] what is the correct URL for download?
Message-ID: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>

ftp://ncmir.ucsd.edu/pub/xforms/linux-i386
doesn't let me download xforms for i386 linux.  I copied the above URL
from the mirror page
http://world.std.com/~xforms/ftp/ftp.html
Thanks,
Tom



From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Sun May 29 09:17:34 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 14:17:34 +0100
Subject: [XForms] what is the correct URL for download?
In-Reply-To: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Saturday 28 May 2005 00:16, tom poe wrote:
> To subscribers of the xforms list
>
>
> ftp://ncmir.ucsd.edu/pub/xforms/linux-i386
> doesn't let me download xforms for i386 linux.  I copied the above
> URL from the mirror page
> http://world.std.com/~xforms/ftp/ftp.html
> Thanks,
> Tom

http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms/

Angus

From jac4 at mindless.com  Wed Jul  6 16:11:22 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 20:11:22 -0000
Subject: [XForms] xforms mailing list
Message-ID: <20050706201121.3269DCDA8F@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

The archive is here, right...?

http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms/

I've been getting 403 forbidden errors there. Where is the archive now?



----- Original Message -----
From: "Angus Leeming" <angus.leeming at btopenworld.com>
To: xforms at bob.usuhs.mil
Subject: Re: [XForms] what is the correct URL for download?
Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 14:17:34 +0100

> 
> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> 
> On Saturday 28 May 2005 00:16, tom poe wrote:
> > To subscribers of the xforms list
> >
> >
> > ftp://ncmir.ucsd.edu/pub/xforms/linux-i386
> > doesn't let me download xforms for i386 linux.  I copied the above
> > URL from the mirror page
> > http://world.std.com/~xforms/ftp/ftp.html
> > Thanks,
> > Tom
> 
> http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms/
> 
> Angus
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see:
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms




From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Wed Jul 20 04:50:25 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 08:50:25 -0000
Subject: [XForms] Re: xforms mailing list
In-Reply-To: <20050706201121.3269DCDA8F@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20050706201121.3269DCDA8F@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <200507200950.09269.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Wednesday 06 July 2005 21:11, jason cipriani wrote:
> The archive is here, right...?
>
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms/
>
> I've been getting 403 forbidden errors there. Where is the archive
> now?

Looks like we have a problem. Bob?

Old archives:
http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/

Angus




From maili at heisch.inka.de  Fri Aug 19 05:08:15 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:08:15 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
Message-ID: <20050819110815.07b6b561@emig4.heisch.inka.de>

To subscribers of the xforms list

Hello

I am using xforms-1.0.90 and have a problem with the input object:
while editing, cursor moves two positions at a single keystroke (cursor
left).

Behaviour seems to be a bug in the library, but I'm not sure.

Is there any workaround you know ?


Thanks for any answers,

Gerald


From bob at bob.usuhs.mil  Fri Aug 26 11:18:18 2005
From: bob at bob.usuhs.mil (Robert Williams)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:18:18 -0400
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Message-ID: <430F32BA.3020607@bob.usuhs.mil>

Dear list,

The list went down just prior to my going on vacation.
I had move to a new machine and new version of OS
and mailman.   Sorry about that.
It should be working well now.  

Best Wishes,
Bob Williams
XForms list administrator



From jac4 at mindless.com  Mon Aug 29 21:38:26 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:38:26 -0500
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Message-ID: <20050830013826.F1D70CDA00@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

The list was actually down since at least July 6th (nearly 7 weeks), unless there was a period of uptime in the middle. Although I was apparently the last person ever to post to this list before it came back up, it seems... I received the post I made 7 weeks ago just a few days ago. 403 Forbidden errors, originally, if I'm not mistaken.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Williams" <bob at bob.usuhs.mil>
To: xforms at bob.usuhs.mil
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:18:18 -0400

> 
> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> Dear list,
> 
> The list went down just prior to my going on vacation.
> I had move to a new machine and new version of OS
> and mailman.   Sorry about that.
> It should be working well now.  Best Wishes,
> Bob Williams
> XForms list administrator
> 
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms




From jac4 at mindless.com  Mon Aug 29 21:39:50 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:39:50 -0500
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Message-ID: <20050830013950.2F069CD9FE@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

Oh, I'm sorry, the 403 errors were for archive access. Which reminds me... what is the correct URL of the xforms mailing list archives now?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Williams" <bob at bob.usuhs.mil>
To: xforms at bob.usuhs.mil
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:18:18 -0400

> 
> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> Dear list,
> 
> The list went down just prior to my going on vacation.
> I had move to a new machine and new version of OS
> and mailman.   Sorry about that.
> It should be working well now.  Best Wishes,
> Bob Williams
> XForms list administrator
> 
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms




From bob at bob.usuhs.mil  Tue Aug 30 08:24:39 2005
From: bob at bob.usuhs.mil (Robert Williams)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 08:24:39 -0400
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
In-Reply-To: <20050830013950.2F069CD9FE@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20050830013950.2F069CD9FE@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <43145007.2080103@bob.usuhs.mil>

Dear Jason and list,

The archive access was also broken, I don't know when.
This is now restored, thanks to Jason for seeing this.
The correct URLs are as they were, listed below,
unless I'm missing something else.   The server should be
stable now for the next few years.

Bob,
XForms list admin

jason cipriani wrote:

>To subscribers of the xforms list
>
>Oh, I'm sorry, the 403 errors were for archive access. Which reminds me... what is the correct URL of the xforms mailing list archives now?
>  
>
>_______________________________________________
>To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
>xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
>http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
>XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
>List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
>http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
>Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms
>
>  
>



From maili at heisch.inka.de  Wed Aug 31 00:55:55 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 06:55:55 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
Message-ID: <20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>

To subscribers of the xforms list

Hello

I am using xforms-1.0.90 and have a problem with the input object:
while editing, cursor moves two positions at a single keystroke (cursor
left).

Behaviour seems to be a bug in the library, but I'm not sure.

Is there any workaround you know ?


Thanks for any answers,

Gerald


From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Wed Aug 31 04:55:42 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:55:42 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de> (Gerald Emig's
	message of "Wed, 31 Aug 2005 06:55:55 +0200")
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
Message-ID: <liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:

Gerald> To subscribers of the xforms list To subscribers of the xforms
Gerald> list

Gerald> Hello

Gerald> I am using xforms-1.0.90 and have a problem with the input
Gerald> object: while editing, cursor moves two positions at a single
Gerald> keystroke (cursor left).

Gerald> Behaviour seems to be a bug in the library, but I'm not sure.

Gerald> Is there any workaround you know ?

I do not know that problem. Could you give more details about your
settings?

JMarc


From maili at heisch.inka.de  Wed Aug 31 06:41:29 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:41:29 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
Message-ID: <20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de>



On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:55:42 +0200
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr> wrote:

> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> >>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:
> 
> Gerald> To subscribers of the xforms list To subscribers of the xforms
> Gerald> list
> 
> Gerald> Hello
> 
> Gerald> I am using xforms-1.0.90 and have a problem with the input
> Gerald> object: while editing, cursor moves two positions at a single
> Gerald> keystroke (cursor left).
> 
> Gerald> Behaviour seems to be a bug in the library, but I'm not sure.
> 
> Gerald> Is there any workaround you know ?
> 
> I do not know that problem. Could you give more details about your
> settings?

I use Suse Linux 9.1
I see this double jumping of the cursor in the input object I place on a
form as well as in the attributes dialogue of fdesign.
In a multiline input, hitting return produces two new lines...

Observation: ^b moves left correctly, Cursor Left not.



> 
> JMarc
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms


From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Wed Aug 31 07:43:02 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:43:02 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de> (Gerald Emig's
	message of "Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:41:29 +0200")
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
Message-ID: <liyzmqys56h.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:

Gerald> I use Suse Linux 9.1 I see this double jumping of the cursor
Gerald> in the input object I place on a form as well as in the
Gerald> attributes dialogue of fdesign. In a multiline input, hitting
Gerald> return produces two new lines...

Gerald> Observation: ^b moves left correctly, Cursor Left not.

Did you compile by yourself, or was xforms 1.0.90 bundled by suse?
They apply a big extra patch to xforms to support CJK
(chinese-japanese-korean) input, it this patch is probably not
perfect... 

You could try to report this bug to suse directly, or to build your
own xforms 1.0.90 to see whether it helps.

JMarc


From maili at heisch.inka.de  Wed Aug 31 08:13:13 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:13:13 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <liyzmqys56h.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyzmqys56h.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
Message-ID: <20050831141313.04d318ee@emig4.heisch.inka.de>

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:43:02 +0200
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr> wrote:

> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> >>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:
> 
> Gerald> I use Suse Linux 9.1 I see this double jumping of the cursor
> Gerald> in the input object I place on a form as well as in the
> Gerald> attributes dialogue of fdesign. In a multiline input, hitting
> Gerald> return produces two new lines...
> 
> Gerald> Observation: ^b moves left correctly, Cursor Left not.
> 
> Did you compile by yourself, or was xforms 1.0.90 bundled by suse?
> They apply a big extra patch to xforms to support CJK
> (chinese-japanese-korean) input, it this patch is probably not
> perfect... 

Thank you very much for the hint.

I use the Suse package, but I'll try to compile xforms myself as soon as
possible with suse 9.1 (I do not want to break my working environment
at the moment).

In the meanwhile I tried xforms under the recent suse 9.3.
First of all I had to compile the library myself because they do not
support it anymore (at least it seems so).
But with this self compiled lib all works great.


Thank you

Gerald 

> 
> You could try to report this bug to suse directly, or to build your
> own xforms 1.0.90 to see whether it helps.
> 
> JMarc
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms


From maili at heisch.inka.de  Sat Sep  3 12:20:52 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 18:20:52 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <20050831141313.04d318ee@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyzmqys56h.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<20050831141313.04d318ee@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
Message-ID: <20050903182052.6f9902c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>


Hello all,

I compiled xforms myself and this solved the problem.
Thanks for your help.

Gerald


On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:13:13 +0200
Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> wrote:

> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:43:02 +0200
> Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr> wrote:
> 
> > To subscribers of the xforms list
> > 
> > >>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:
> > 
> > Gerald> I use Suse Linux 9.1 I see this double jumping of the cursor
> > Gerald> in the input object I place on a form as well as in the
> > Gerald> attributes dialogue of fdesign. In a multiline input,
> > hitting Gerald> return produces two new lines...
> > 
> > Gerald> Observation: ^b moves left correctly, Cursor Left not.
> > 
> > Did you compile by yourself, or was xforms 1.0.90 bundled by suse?
> > They apply a big extra patch to xforms to support CJK
> > (chinese-japanese-korean) input, it this patch is probably not
> > perfect... 
> 
> Thank you very much for the hint.
> 
> I use the Suse package, but I'll try to compile xforms myself as soon
> as possible with suse 9.1 (I do not want to break my working
> environment at the moment).
> 
> In the meanwhile I tried xforms under the recent suse 9.3.
> First of all I had to compile the library myself because they do not
> support it anymore (at least it seems so).
> But with this self compiled lib all works great.
> 
> 
> Thank you
> 
> Gerald 
> 
> > 
> > You could try to report this bug to suse directly, or to build your
> > own xforms 1.0.90 to see whether it helps.
> > 
> > JMarc
> > _______________________________________________
> > To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> > xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> > http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> > XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> > List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> > http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> > Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms



Gerald Emig

--
EMIG Software, Engelstr. 17, D-66564 Ottweiler, Germany
Tel.+49(0)6858-699567, Fax.699568, gme at emig-software.de


From carsten.voss at rmit.edu.au  Mon Oct 10 03:21:34 2005
From: carsten.voss at rmit.edu.au (Carsten Voss)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:21:34 +1000
Subject: [XForms] xforms and glibc 2.3, newer verson available?
Message-ID: <s34aa33f.045@its-gw-inet57.its.rmit.edu.au>

Hi Folks,

I cannot seem to find a source download or an Linux RPM of xforms that will work on glibc2.3?
Any advice most welcome. Thanks.

I have installed version  xforms-0.89-3 which I believe is intended for glibc2.1. Unfortunitely I try and compile wulffman (which uses xforms) I receive referencing errors from libforms.a.

best regards,
Carsten Voss




From dadembro at rockwellcollins.com  Mon Oct 10 10:05:06 2005
From: dadembro at rockwellcollins.com (dadembro at rockwellcollins.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:05:06 -0400
Subject: [XForms] xforms and glibc 2.3, newer verson available?
In-Reply-To: <s34aa33f.045@its-gw-inet57.its.rmit.edu.au>
Message-ID: <OF25AB0DAF.0401B0BB-ON85257096.004CE817-85257096.004D5EFD@rockwellcollins.com>

Carsten,

For the latest source try:
      http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms

Slainte,
---d.dembrow



                                                                           
             "Carsten Voss"                                                
             <carsten.voss at rmi                                             
             t.edu.au>                                                  To 
             Sent by:                  <xforms at bob.usuhs.mil>              
             xforms-bounces at bo                                          cc 
             b.usuhs.mil                                                   
                                                                   Subject 
                                       [XForms] xforms and glibc 2.3,      
             10/10/2005 03:21          newer verson available?             
             AM                                                            
                                                                           
                                                                           
                                                                           
                                                                           
                                                                           




To subscribers of the xforms list

Hi Folks,

I cannot seem to find a source download or an Linux RPM of xforms that will
work on glibc2.3?
Any advice most welcome. Thanks.

I have installed version  xforms-0.89-3 which I believe is intended for
glibc2.1. Unfortunitely I try and compile wulffman (which uses xforms) I
receive referencing errors from libforms.a.

best regards,
Carsten Voss


_______________________________________________
To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see:
http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms




From GalbraithP at dfo-mpo.gc.ca  Tue Oct 11 10:54:01 2005
From: GalbraithP at dfo-mpo.gc.ca (Peter Galbraith)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:54:01 -0400
Subject: [XForms] xforms and glibc 2.3, newer verson available? 
In-Reply-To: Message from <dadembro@rockwellcollins.com> of "Mon,
	10 Oct 2005 10:05:06 EDT."
	<OF25AB0DAF.0401B0BB-ON85257096.004CE817-85257096.004D5EFD@rockwellcollins.com>
References: <OF25AB0DAF.0401B0BB-ON85257096.004CE817-85257096.004D5EFD@rockwellcollins.com>
Message-ID: <20051011145401.00A1E10A74A@mixing.qc.dfo.ca>

<dadembro at rockwellcollins.com> wrote:

> For the latest source try:
>       http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms

Debian is still using the stable release 1.0

Given that 1.0.90 has been a candidate for over one year without
apparent problems, would I update Debian with that?

Thanks,

Peter


From gnushi at gmx.net  Sat Oct 22 11:18:59 2005
From: gnushi at gmx.net (Gnu Shi)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 17:18:59 +0200
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
Message-ID: <1129994339.7002.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>


Hi!

It is a bit hard to find this list. There seems no advertisment at
http://savannah.nongnu.org/mail/?group=xforms

Are you still working on XForms?

GnuShi


-- 



From jac4 at mindless.com  Sat Oct 22 14:25:41 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 13:25:41 -0500
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
Message-ID: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

> Hi!
> 
> It is a bit hard to find this list. There seems no advertisment at
> http://savannah.nongnu.org/mail/?group=xforms
> 
> Are you still working on XForms?
> 
> GnuShi

I have been wondering the same thing. There has not been an update in quite 
some time. A while ago, there was a flurry of patches and activity but a new 
official release never came out.

Speaking of which, if you're looking for a new maintainer or some help... 
*cough* *cough*. Although it's been some time since I personally dug into the 
code at all, but I can definitely think of a few improvements here and there. 
In any case if you guys are planning on another official release any time 
soon I do have some things here and there I'd like to fix that I can submit 
patches for. XForms seems to be getting a bit old and dusty.

Jason

> 
> 
> --
> 
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see:
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms




From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Mon Oct 24 08:54:12 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:54:12 +0200
Subject: [XForms] xforms and glibc 2.3, newer verson available?
In-Reply-To: <20051011145401.00A1E10A74A@mixing.qc.dfo.ca> (Peter Galbraith's
	message of "Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:54:01 -0400")
References: <OF25AB0DAF.0401B0BB-ON85257096.004CE817-85257096.004D5EFD@rockwellcollins.com>
	<20051011145401.00A1E10A74A@mixing.qc.dfo.ca>
Message-ID: <liyk6g313ez.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Peter" == Peter Galbraith <GalbraithP at dfo-mpo.gc.ca> writes:

Peter> To subscribers of the xforms list
Peter> <dadembro at rockwellcollins.com> wrote:

>> For the latest source try:
>> http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms

Peter> Debian is still using the stable release 1.0

Peter> Given that 1.0.90 has been a candidate for over one year
Peter> without apparent problems, would I update Debian with that?

Yes, I think you should.

JMarc


From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Mon Oct 24 09:03:23 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 15:03:23 +0200
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
In-Reply-To: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> (jason
	cipriani's message of "Sat, 22 Oct 2005 13:25:41 -0500")
References: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <liyirvn12zo.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "jason" == jason cipriani <jac4 at mindless.com> writes:

jason> I have been wondering the same thing. There has not been an
jason> update in quite some time. A while ago, there was a flurry of
jason> patches and activity but a new official release never came out.

The sad truth is that nothing is happening. We should have released
xforms 1.1 ages ago and there is no sign that this is going to
happen... 

jason> Speaking of which, if you're looking for a new maintainer or
jason> some help... *cough* *cough*. Although it's been some time
jason> since I personally dug into the code at all, but I can
jason> definitely think of a few improvements here and there. 

It might be a good solution indeed, although I can't speak for Angus.

jason> In any case if you guys are planning on another official
jason> release any time soon I do have some things here and there I'd
jason> like to fix that I can submit patches for.

I can't speak for Angus, but personally I'd like at least to release a
1.1 version with what we have now (plus the fl_set_locale() patch that
I never got around to apply). What do you have in store?

jason> XForms seems to be getting a bit old and dusty.

Sure.

JMarc


From Gayle.C.Roth at nasa.gov  Mon Oct 24 09:55:27 2005
From: Gayle.C.Roth at nasa.gov (Gayle C Roth)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 09:55:27 -0400
Subject: [XForms] xforms on VMS
Message-ID: <5.1.1.5.2.20051024094416.0100b8f0@popserve.grc.nasa.gov>

Hi,

I'm using a version of xforms I built on a VMS 7.3-2 system.  The 
application I'm building necessitates the use of a hibernate/wake mechanism 
(the program I'm working with calls the VMS system service 
sys$hiber).  I've found that, at least initially, a single call to 
sys$hiber is not enough -- it takes 2 calls to sys$hiber before the program 
actually hibernates.  I further discovered that this is because xforms is 
somehow setting the "wake-pending" bit.  Does anyone have an idea why and 
where xforms is setting this bit, and how I can keep it from happening?

Thanks,
Gayle




From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Tue Oct 25 05:18:53 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:18:53 +0100
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
In-Reply-To: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <200510251018.53224.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Saturday 22 October 2005 19:25, jason cipriani wrote:
> > It is a bit hard to find this list. There seems no advertisment at
> > http://savannah.nongnu.org/mail/?group=xforms

Patches are always welcome. Personally, I've no real html skills.

> > Are you still working on XForms?

Not really :)

> > GnuShi
>
> I have been wondering the same thing. There has not been an update in quite
> some time. A while ago, there was a flurry of patches and activity but a
> new official release never came out.

I got stuck trying to resolve what I believe is a major flaw. However, I 
eventually gave up because I do't have the X11 skills to fix the problem 
correctly. Tha's a shame, because the flaw is actually just a kludge in one 
small piece of code; someone with the right skills could probably fix it in a 
day.

> Speaking of which, if you're looking for a new maintainer or some help...
> *cough* *cough*. Although it's been some time since I personally dug into
> the code at all, but I can definitely think of a few improvements here and
> there. In any case if you guys are planning on another official release any
> time soon I do have some things here and there I'd like to fix that I can
> submit patches for. XForms seems to be getting a bit old and dusty.

Great! I think I'm going to grab your offer with both hands. My XForms days 
are very limited I'm afraid as I'm soon going to be empoyed by a company that 
actively prohibits GPL software development. OK, XForms is LGPL-licenced, 
but...

Please set up a savannah account if you don't have one already and mail me the 
details. I'll add you to the project's list of administrators.

Angus


From jac4 at mindless.com  Thu Oct 27 12:04:16 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:04:16 -0500
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
Message-ID: <20051027160418.E30DBCDA09@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

> I got stuck trying to resolve what I believe is a major flaw. However, I
> eventually gave up because I do't have the X11 skills to fix the problem
> correctly. Tha's a shame, because the flaw is actually just a kludge in one
> small piece of code; someone with the right skills could probably fix it in a
> day.

What is the flaw?

> Great! I think I'm going to grab your offer with both hands. My XForms days
> are very limited I'm afraid as I'm soon going to be empoyed by a company that
> actively prohibits GPL software development. OK, XForms is LGPL-licenced,
> but...
> 
> Please set up a savannah account if you don't have one already and mail me the
> details. I'll add you to the project's list of administrators.

Honestly, I didn't expect my offer to be met with such enthusiasm ;) I have a side project that I'm working on right now which will be finished around mid-December. Once that is over with, I will set up a Savannah account and give you the details. In the mean time, I'll put together all the changes I've made. They're all relatively minor, mostly fdesign related. After this project clears up then I'll have the time to start working on XForms more actively. I'll get back to you soon.

Jason




From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Thu Oct 27 12:19:02 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:19:02 +0100
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
In-Reply-To: <20051027160418.E30DBCDA09@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20051027160418.E30DBCDA09@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <200510271719.02876.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Thursday 27 October 2005 17:04, jason cipriani wrote:
> > I got stuck trying to resolve what I believe is a major flaw. However, I
> > eventually gave up because I do't have the X11 skills to fix the problem
> > correctly. Tha's a shame, because the flaw is actually just a kludge in
> > one small piece of code; someone with the right skills could probably fix
> > it in a day.
>
> What is the flaw?

In forms.c:

#if 1
    /* this is an ugly hack. This is necessary due to popup pointer grab
       where a button release is eaten. Really should do a send event from
       the pop-up routines */

    if (fl_pushobj && !button_down(fl_keymask) /* && event == FL_ENTER */ )
    {
	obj = fl_pushobj;
	fl_pushobj = NULL;
	fl_handle_object(obj, FL_RELEASE, xx, yy, key, xev);
    }
#endif

It has unpleasant consequences all over the place.

> Honestly, I didn't expect my offer to be met with such enthusiasm ;) I have
> a side project that I'm working on right now which will be finished around
> mid-December. Once that is over with, I will set up a Savannah account and
> give you the details. In the mean time, I'll put together all the changes
> I've made. They're all relatively minor, mostly fdesign related. After this
> project clears up then I'll have the time to start working on XForms more
> actively. I'll get back to you soon.

Great!
Angus


From s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk  Mon Dec  5 10:12:20 2005
From: s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk (Sheila R. Bryant)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:12:20 +0000
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Solaris
Message-ID: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>

Hi everyone,

I'm trying to build xforms-1.0.90 on a Solaris 9 machine. I'm using 
gcc-3.2.2 to compile, and

./configure --prefix=/opt/tools --enable-demos --enable-warnings \
             --disable-gl

The problem comes when the demos are being built, ibrowser will not 
link, and I get

gcc -g -O -Wall -o .libs/ibrowser ibrowser.o  -L/usr/openwin/lib 
-L/opt/graphics/lib -L/opt/GNU/gcc-3.2.2/lib -L/opt/GNU/lib 
../image/.libs/libflimage.so ../lib/.libs/libforms.so -lSM -lICE 
/opt/graphics/lib/libjpeg.so -lXpm -lX11 -lsocket -lnsl -lc -lm 
-R/opt/tools/lib -R/opt/graphics/lib -R/usr/openwin/lib 
-R/opt/GNU/gcc-3.2.2/lib -R/opt/GNU/lib
Undefined                       first referenced
  symbol                             in file
.LLC90                              ../image/.libs/libflimage.so
ld: fatal: Symbol referencing errors. No output written to .libs/ibrowser
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
gmake[2]: *** [ibrowser] Error 1
gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/home/opt-user/download/xforms-1.0.90/demos'
gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/home/opt-user/download/xforms-1.0.90/demos'
gmake: *** [all-recursive] Error 1


This is a completely new one to me, and Google is not throwing up 
anything helpful. Does anyone have any ideas on what I might try? My aim 
is to get Lyx up and running, but until I can solve (or sidestep) this 
problem, I'm stuck.

Many thanks
-- 

Sheila
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dr. Sheila Bryant                        Software Applications Support
Email: S.R.Bryant at reading.ac.uk          Dept. of Meteorology,
Phone: 0118 378 6395                     University of Reading,

--------------------------------------------------------------------------


From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Mon Dec  5 10:23:50 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:23:50 +0000
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Solaris
In-Reply-To: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <200512051523.50227.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Monday 05 December 2005 15:12, Sheila R. Bryant wrote:
> This is a completely new one to me, and Google is not throwing up
> anything helpful. Does anyone have any ideas on what I might try? My aim
> is to get Lyx up and running, but until I can solve (or sidestep) this
> problem, I'm stuck.

Hi, Sheila. I've never seen this bug before, but if you want to compile XForms 
only to get LyX up and running, you don't really need the demos ;-)

Angus


From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Mon Dec  5 10:26:53 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:26:53 +0100
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Solaris
In-Reply-To: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk> (Sheila R. Bryant's message of
	"Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:12:20 +0000")
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Sheila" == Sheila R Bryant <s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk> writes:

Sheila> This is a completely new one to me, and Google is not throwing
Sheila> up anything helpful. Does anyone have any ideas on what I
Sheila> might try? My aim is to get Lyx up and running, but until I
Sheila> can solve (or sidestep) this problem, I'm stuck.

This is indeed weird, never heard of that.

But if you do not build the demos, everything is right, isn't it?

JMarc

PS: of course, you can also use the qt version of LyX, but I should
not say that here :)


From s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk  Mon Dec  5 10:43:06 2005
From: s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk (Sheila R. Bryant)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:43:06 +0000
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Solaris
In-Reply-To: <liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
	<liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
Message-ID: <4394600A.9040809@reading.ac.uk>

Hi JMarc,

Well, if I don't build the demos, xforms claims to build OK, but when I 
try to build LyX I get this problem come up. All the demos that build 
seem to run OK - assorted boxes, buttons, forms etc come up and go away 
in a controlled manner.

Where LyX falls down is in a test to find flimage_dup; I can reproduce 
the error with a test.c

char flimage_dup ();
int
main ()
{
flimage_dup ();
   ;
   return 0;
}

compiled with

gcc -o test test.c -L/opt/tools/lib -lflimage -ljpeg -lforms -lXpm

Hope that sheds some more light

Cheers

Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
>>>>>>"Sheila" == Sheila R Bryant <s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk> writes:
> 
> 
> Sheila> This is a completely new one to me, and Google is not throwing
> Sheila> up anything helpful. Does anyone have any ideas on what I
> Sheila> might try? My aim is to get Lyx up and running, but until I
> Sheila> can solve (or sidestep) this problem, I'm stuck.
> 
> This is indeed weird, never heard of that.
> 
> But if you do not build the demos, everything is right, isn't it?
> 
> JMarc
> 
> PS: of course, you can also use the qt version of LyX, but I should
> not say that here :)

-- 

Sheila
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dr. Sheila Bryant                        Software Applications Support
Email: S.R.Bryant at reading.ac.uk          Dept. of Meteorology,
Phone: 0118 378 6395                     University of Reading,

--------------------------------------------------------------------------


From mcrespo at ictp.trieste.it  Wed Dec  7 05:52:33 2005
From: mcrespo at ictp.trieste.it (CRESPO MARIA LIZ)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:52:33 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Windows
In-Reply-To: <liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
	<liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512071145360.31165@ssh-2>


what about building Xforms on Windows? Could someone tell me something 
about it?
Thank you.
Regards,
Maria Liz


**********************************************
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ICTP-INFN Laboratory
the Abdus Salam International Centre for Theoretical Physics
Via Beirut 31
34100 - Trieste (Italy)
Tel: 39 040 2249930
Fax: 39 040 224600
**********************************************


From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Wed Dec  7 06:27:09 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 12:27:09 +0100
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Windows
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512071145360.31165@ssh-2> (CRESPO MARIA LIZ's
	message of "Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:52:33 +0100 (CET)")
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
	<liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0512071145360.31165@ssh-2>
Message-ID: <liy8xuxywoi.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "CRESPO" == CRESPO MARIA LIZ <mcrespo at ictp.trieste.it> writes:

CRESPO> To subscribers of the xforms list what about building Xforms
CRESPO> on Windows? Could someone tell me something about it? 

You need cygwin and an X server. Other than that, it is supposed to
work with the latest 1.0.90 version. I'd be interested to know whether
it really works, though.

In might even work with mingw, I do not actually know.

JMarc


From christof.hoeke at e-7.com  Tue Feb  8 05:35:57 2005
From: christof.hoeke at e-7.com (christof.hoeke at e-7.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:35:57 +0100
Subject: [XForms] Xforms or XHTML 1.0 Forms Module
Message-ID: <96849388D2102F40AEF198798540F2E1E6B8E2@gt1mail1.gt.da-ag.local>

Hi,
A question regarding which forms dialect to choose as a basis for a web application processing framework.

Background
We developed a custom XML format to be used to describe and process (web) forms which itself is part of a custom XML format basically describing (web) pages and a processing/workflow part.
For the frontend it is transformed via XSLT to HTML/CSS to target desktop browsers (may later also be PDA or whatever). So the format has to include enough information for a semantically sufficient processing in it (accessibility is an issue). The layout information is in the enclosing format.
For the backend the same format is used for a kind of basic workflow and of course the processing of the input data (delegation to other applications, storing, validation etc).

For the next version currently in development the format needs to be changed anyway (not the best yet as it is more or less a pure layout format yet and not even complete regarding all form possibilities [grouping of option elements etc]). 
So we thought of using a standard format for the forms part of the format (which currently cannot be changed as a whole as it is also used for CMS generated static pages and which should not be needed anyway if just adding forms as a module). 

Anyway, we looked into Xforms (XTHML 2.0 forms) but wondered if they bring enough advantages compared to the second option, using simply XHTML 1.0 Forms.

Xforms:
- new format, needs to be learned and implemented, higher learning curve+ new standard and therefore possibly more futureproove format
- for basic layout information maybe label needing to be child of input (is this actually mandatory?) cannot easily be transformed to the HTML <label for="ID"> <input id="ID"> possibility
+ includes validation and separation of model and view
... Lots more of course

XHTML 1.0 Forms:
+ lots of experience, known format and fairly simple, easy to use
+ of course includes all elements we need for a transformation to HTML (fieldset/legend, input+label, @accesskey, @tabindex etc)
- validation/data-types and other stuff needs to be added with custom or Xforms parts
...

Maybe we don't yet understand Xforms right, but at the moment we tend to use XHTML 1.0 forms for the following reasons/questions, maybe anyone can share his opinions?
* can Xforms describe *all* possible HTML form elements without the need to add custom extensions? 
	* above <label for="ID"> <input id="ID"> example which seems difficult in XForms
	* fieldset/legend elements, select/optgroup/option elements etc
* submitting XML from the browser does not work yet so this part of Xforms would have to be committed anyway
* new widgets (range widget) cannot be used on browsers yet either
* workload to integrate Xforms compared to XHTML 1.0 forms seems much higher 
* later migration to xforms should not be too difficult

Any opinions would be great, thanks a lot 
chris



From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Tue Feb  8 06:55:01 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 12:55:01 +0100
Subject: [XForms] Xforms or XHTML 1.0 Forms Module
In-Reply-To: <96849388D2102F40AEF198798540F2E1E6B8E2@gt1mail1.gt.da-ag.local>
	(christof hoeke's message of "Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:35:57 +0100")
References: <96849388D2102F40AEF198798540F2E1E6B8E2@gt1mail1.gt.da-ag.local>
Message-ID: <liyy8dznu5m.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Christof" ==   <christof.hoeke at e-7.com> writes:

Christof> Hi, A question regarding which forms dialect to choose as a
Christof> basis for a web application processing framework.

Hello, you found the wrong xforms list. This list is for discussing
the old and venerable xforms GUI toolkit, not the new and exciting
XForms w3c standard (or whatever) :)

JMarc

From psg at debian.org  Tue Feb  8 09:22:41 2005
From: psg at debian.org (Peter S Galbraith)
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:22:41 -0500
Subject: [XForms] Re: XForms: Documentation 
In-Reply-To: Message from "T.C. Zhao" <tc_zhao@yahoo.com> 
	<20030908154838.51918.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com> 
References: <20030908154838.51918.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com> 
Message-ID: <20050208142241.8683AAB07E@mixing.qc.dfo.ca>

On Sept 8th 2003, T.C. Zhao <tc_zhao at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Sorry for the delay and thanks for the info. GPL it is.
> 
> I am currently travelling and will be back home end of September. Expect the
> free manual in October sometime.
> 
> -TC
> --- Peter S Galbraith <psg at debian.org> wrote:
> > To subscribers of the xforms list
> > 
> > 
> > T.C. Zhao <tc_zhao at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > All I need to do is boot up my old linux box and recover the doc
> > > and send it.  Will do this sometime in April (I've been travelling,
> > > and am sending this email from Tokyo).
> > > -TC
> > 
> > Hi T.C.,
> > 
> > I really hate to keep nagging you like this.  :-)
> > 
> > You meant to release the sources of the XForms manual last April but
> > never got around to it.  This is a reminder.  Also, please avoid using
> > the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) since it not a free software
> > license and therefore cannot be included in the Debian distribution.
> > Using the GPL would be fine.

Hello T.C.,

Consider this another nudge to release the sources of the XForms
manual.  On the plus side, I didn't nag you in 2004.  ;-)

Please consider taking some time to actually do this now, while the
sources still exist, and before you get hit by a bus or something and
they are gone forever.  The XForms sources have been free for a long
time now (Thanks!) and they really should have free documentation.

Thanks,
-- 
Peter S. Galbraith, Debian Developer          <psg at debian.org>
                                 http://people.debian.org/~psg
GPG key 1024/D2A913A1 - 97CE 866F F579 96EE  6E68 8170 35FF 799E

From msz at astrouw.edu.pl  Fri Mar 11 16:24:12 2005
From: msz at astrouw.edu.pl (Michal Szymanski)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:24:12 +0100
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
Message-ID: <20050311212412.GA13751@astrouw.edu.pl>

Hi,

I have a pretty complicated XForms application for controlling the
telscope. One of the object used is a "normal" (no selection) browser
for displaying messages to the user. I have noticed that the mouse wheel
(functioning, as reported by "xev", as Button 4 & 5) works mostly as
expected, i.e. scrolling the browser. Howerver, quite often, possibly
(although I am not sure) when the browser has many lines and I rotate
the wheel fast, the whole application crashes badly.

As such a crash is a very bad thing while the user is observing with the
telescope, I would like to disable the wheel, possibly only for that
browser (or my XForms application), as it worls fine in other
applications like xterm or mozilla. Is it doable?

regards, Michal. 

-- 
  Michal Szymanski (msz at astrouw dot edu dot pl)
  Warsaw University Observatory, Warszawa, POLAND

From jac4 at mindless.com  Sun Mar 13 01:21:04 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 01:21:04 -0500
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
Message-ID: <20050313062104.5B3C4CDA29@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

> As such a crash is a very bad thing while the user is observing with the
> telescope, I would like to disable the wheel, possibly only for that
> browser (or my XForms application), as it worls fine in other
> applications like xterm or mozilla. Is it doable?

I am not certain, but you may be able to do this with fl_set_object_prehandler(). You can set a prehandler for your browser and check to see if the xevent is a mouse wheel button event. If it is then return FL_PREEMPT from the prehandler, and that should prevent the event from reaching the browser.

Documentation is here:
http://www.public.iastate.edu/~xforms/node6.html#6888

It's weird that it crashes, though. When you say it only happens in browsers with a lot of items, how many items is "a lot"?

Jason


From xforms2 at vjet.demon.co.uk  Sun Mar 13 17:11:44 2005
From: xforms2 at vjet.demon.co.uk (Clive A Stubbings)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:11:44 GMT
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
Message-ID: <200503132211.j2DMBiQ3001137@vjet.demon.co.uk>

Michal Szymanski  said:

> Howerver, quite often, possibly
> (although I am not sure) when the browser has many lines and I rotate
> the wheel fast, the whole application crashes badly.

jason cipriani said:

> It's weird that it crashes, though. When you say it only happens in
> browsers with a lot of items, how many items is "a lot"?

I'm with Jason on this one. I'd bet its a code bug in your app.. I use
big browser lists and I had exactly the same symptom. I spent a while 
suspecting xforms too - but it was me ;-(

If it helps at all, in my case, the root cause was it was a callback
being called with no line selected in the browser. I didn't check,
and ended up dereferenced a wild pointer and core-dumped.

Cheers
Clive

From msz at astrouw.edu.pl  Sun Mar 13 23:27:16 2005
From: msz at astrouw.edu.pl (Michal Szymanski)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 05:27:16 +0100
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
In-Reply-To: <200503132211.j2DMBiQ3001137@vjet.demon.co.uk>
References: <200503132211.j2DMBiQ3001137@vjet.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20050314042716.GA17162@astrouw.edu.pl>

> > Howerver, quite often, possibly
> > (although I am not sure) when the browser has many lines and I rotate
> > the wheel fast, the whole application crashes badly.
> 
> jason cipriani said:
> 
> > It's weird that it crashes, though. When you say it only happens in
> > browsers with a lot of items, how many items is "a lot"?
> 
> I'm with Jason on this one. I'd bet its a code bug in your app.. I use
> big browser lists and I had exactly the same symptom. I spent a while 
> suspecting xforms too - but it was me ;-(
> 
> If it helps at all, in my case, the root cause was it was a callback
> being called with no line selected in the browser. I didn't check,
> and ended up dereferenced a wild pointer and core-dumped.

It well might be a code bug. As I said before, the crashes are random
and my guess to link them to the number of lines in the browser and/or
the speed of rotating the mice wheel may be wrong. Unfortunately it is a
kind of "production" application, controlling real hardware, so I cannot
make too many experiments.

"A lot of lines" may be several thousand. The browser gets the messages
from the telescope control system, I would estimate this to 1600-1800
lines per night and the program can run several weeks if everything is
going fine.

As for the "callback" suggestion: it is a FL_NORMAL_BROWSER, so AFAIK
there should be no interaction requiring callbacks. Just the scrolling.

I managed to disable mouse buttons 4 & 5 (wheel) for the browser using
"prehandler".

regards, Michal.

-- 
  Michal Szymanski (msz at astrouw dot edu dot pl)
  Warsaw University Observatory, Warszawa, POLAND

From jac4 at mindless.com  Mon Mar 14 00:16:20 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 00:16:20 -0500
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
Message-ID: <20050314051620.9FBD62000B@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

> It well might be a code bug. As I said before, the crashes are random
> and my guess to link them to the number of lines in the browser and/or
> the speed of rotating the mice wheel may be wrong. Unfortunately it is a
> kind of "production" application, controlling real hardware, so I cannot
> make too many experiments.
> 
> "A lot of lines" may be several thousand. The browser gets the messages
> from the telescope control system, I would estimate this to 1600-1800
> lines per night and the program can run several weeks if everything is
> going fine.

Not related to XForms, but here's a design hint: If your application crashes, and that's really bad, write another program that constantly watches your application to see if it crashes, and restarts it if it does. For example, a program that fork+exec's your program, then waitpid's for it to terminate. I also write software to control/automate a lot of hardware stuff, and I speak from many unpleasant experiences. ;( Not much worse than coming back to work on Monday only to find your software crashed sometime Saturday morning.

Alternatively, if you don't trust your toolkit, I might also recommend taking more of a client/server approach where your "server" is always controlling/logging telescope data and your "client" is a separate process that is just a GUI that you can monitor the server with. That way, if XForms hiccups, the GUI will crash but you won't lose any data/control.

Anyways I made a browser with 30000 lines in it just for grins and moved the wheel up and down for about 5 whole minutes with no problems, I'd look into other areas to find the problem. Disabling the mouse wheel may solve one of the symptoms but if it's a weird bug then you don't know what other problems may be going on behind the scenes.

Well, good luck with your application. Sounds interesting. :)


From dstrang at chartermi.net  Thu Apr  7 21:02:24 2005
From: dstrang at chartermi.net (David Strang)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 21:02:24 -0400
Subject: [XForms] CygWin and Xforms 1.0.2
Message-ID: <000e01c53bd6$a1543e20$6401a8c0@athlon24>

I have been trying to get this version of xforms fully functional under Cygwin 
and now is time for enabling the GL demos. Configure can't find the glx header
file even though GL is installed and  glx.h and other GL files seem to exist
inside the "C:\cygwin\usr\X11R6\include\GL" folder. 

Could this be a path issue? But why doesn't GL get searched but the rest of
the stuff does?

Doesn't configure know where the GL stuff exists?

Any help here is appreciated...it must be something I'm over looking.

Regards,
Dave Strang


From jason.bentz at lmco.com  Tue Apr 19 13:40:29 2005
From: jason.bentz at lmco.com (Bentz, Jason)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:40:29 -0500
Subject: [XForms] xforms Window Moving Problem
Message-ID: <BE12A2C28D407645B76E15220BAAD9CF751659@emss02m19.us.lmco.com>

I'm using xforms-1.0.90 installed on Red Hat Linux Enterprise 3.0, and
have a GUI that was designed using xforms.  The problem I'm experiencing
is when trying to move the window that the GUI is in, on the desktop.
When I click & hold on the menu bar to move the window around the
desktop, sometimes I move the mouse pointer, and the window does not
follow, or will jump to the current location of the pointer after a
couple seconds.  It's very annoying, because it's unpredictable as to
what it will do.
 
I started playing around with some of the demo files, so that users
would be able to confirm or deny my findings.
 
fbrowse:
    One click on the menu bar (click and release) allows moving of the
window, then clicking (and release) to drop the window in it's place.
It takes about 2 seconds to respond to this first click though (the
window stays in it's current location, then jumps to the pointer
location).  Clicking and holding seems to respond the same way.
 
wwwl:
    Same as above.
 
cursor:
    Click and hold, then drag only responds every other time.  (I.E., if
I do that procedure once, the window moves, a second time, it doesn't, a
third time it does, a forth time it doesn't.)
 
symbols:
    Click and hold, then drag does not work at all, but if you unclick,
the window then follows the cursor.
 
Has anyone experienced these problems and come up with a work around for
it?  I would prefer that it respond as Windows does, in that you have to
click and hold, then drag, then release to drop the window.  When we had
this GUI working on an old DEC Alpha workstation, it behaved in this
way.
 

Jason


From xyzzy at speakeasy.org  Tue Apr 19 15:48:37 2005
From: xyzzy at speakeasy.org (Trent Piepho)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:48:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [XForms] xforms Window Moving Problem
In-Reply-To: <BE12A2C28D407645B76E15220BAAD9CF751659@emss02m19.us.lmco.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.04.10504191246100.14543-100000@c-24-18-248-22.hsd1.wa.comcast.net>

On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Bentz, Jason wrote:
> I'm using xforms-1.0.90 installed on Red Hat Linux Enterprise 3.0, and
> have a GUI that was designed using xforms.  The problem I'm experiencing
> is when trying to move the window that the GUI is in, on the desktop.
> When I click & hold on the menu bar to move the window around the
> desktop, sometimes I move the mouse pointer, and the window does not
> follow, or will jump to the current location of the pointer after a
> couple seconds.  It's very annoying, because it's unpredictable as to
> what it will do.

This sounds like a function of the window manager, and not xforms.  Does this
only happen with xforms programs, or can you duplicate it with something else
like xclock or firefox?


From jason.bentz at lmco.com  Tue Apr 19 15:56:02 2005
From: jason.bentz at lmco.com (Bentz, Jason)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:56:02 -0500
Subject: [XForms] xforms Window Moving Problem
Message-ID: <BE12A2C28D407645B76E15220BAAD9CF754932@emss02m19.us.lmco.com>

Actually, I was just about to reply and let you all know that it appears
to be an Xwindows thing, not xforms.

If I use ktimer (accessories), I also get the strange behavior.  When
looking in Preferences>>Windows, I see the setting, hold-to-move window
(which is set to ALT).  There is no way to turn this off, at least with
the GUI interface.  A normal terminal window is able to be moved by just
clicking & holding the left mouse button, but to click & hold to move
the xforms windows (or ktimer), I must hold down ALT.

What I'm wondering, if there is a way to disable this hold-to-move
option in the Preferences>>Windows GUI setting?  Maybe there is a way to
manually edit a text file to remove this setting... 

Jason

-----Original Message-----
From: Trent Piepho [mailto:xyzzy at speakeasy.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 2:49 PM
To: Bentz, Jason
Cc: xforms at bob.usuhs.mil
Subject: Re: [XForms] xforms Window Moving Problem

On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Bentz, Jason wrote:
> I'm using xforms-1.0.90 installed on Red Hat Linux Enterprise 3.0, and

> have a GUI that was designed using xforms.  The problem I'm 
> experiencing is when trying to move the window that the GUI is in, on
the desktop.
> When I click & hold on the menu bar to move the window around the 
> desktop, sometimes I move the mouse pointer, and the window does not 
> follow, or will jump to the current location of the pointer after a 
> couple seconds.  It's very annoying, because it's unpredictable as to 
> what it will do.

This sounds like a function of the window manager, and not xforms.  Does
this only happen with xforms programs, or can you duplicate it with
something else like xclock or firefox?




From robert.lawless at ericsson.com  Tue May  3 09:59:39 2005
From: robert.lawless at ericsson.com (Robert Lawless (BH/LMI))
Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 15:59:39 +0200 
Subject: [XForms] Xml Schema instance generation using X-forms
Message-ID: <9B90FC9233F6E94493FF4FD8E0BA247DAAFE2E@eiedbnt502>

Hey folk,
i am quite new to X-Forms....i want to use X-Froms to present a UI to the user based on a certain Xml schema....i.e the user enters in data & out pops out an Xml instance according to this schema......would it be possible to make this generic i.e one would be able to attach any schema with X-Forms presenting a suitable UI & when the users inputs the data, out pops the Xml instance according to the inputted schema

thanks in advance 
Rob

From Todd.Denniston at ssa.crane.navy.mil  Tue May  3 11:19:02 2005
From: Todd.Denniston at ssa.crane.navy.mil (Todd Denniston)
Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 10:19:02 -0500
Subject: [XForms] Xml Schema instance generation using X-forms
References: <9B90FC9233F6E94493FF4FD8E0BA247DAAFE2E@eiedbnt502>
Message-ID: <42779666.B20F0051@ssa.crane.navy.mil>

"Robert Lawless (BH/LMI)" wrote:
> 
> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> Hey folk,
> i am quite new to X-Forms....i want to use X-Froms to present a UI to the user based on a certain Xml schema....i.e the user enters in data & out pops out an Xml instance according to this schema......would it be possible to make this generic i.e one would be able to attach any schema with X-Forms presenting a suitable UI & when the users inputs the data, out pops the Xml instance according to the inputted schema
> 
> thanks in advance
> Rob

Rob, lets first make sure you are asking in the correct group, as there has
been some confusion in the past.
To us XForms is described at [1] as:
"XForms is a GUI toolkit based on Xlib for X Window Systems. It features a
rich set of objects, such as buttons, scrollbars, and menus etc. integrated
into an easy and efficient object/event callback execution model that allows
fast and easy construction of X-applications. In addition, the library is
extensible and new objects can easily be created and added to the library."

To the W3C, XForms is described at [2] as:
"XForms" is W3C's name for a specification of Web forms that can be used
with a wide variety of platforms including desktop computers, hand helds,
information appliances, and even paper. XForms started life as a subgroup of
the HTML Working Group, but has now been spun off as an independent
Activity.

IIRC, the GUI toolkit definition predates the W3C definition, but they use
it so we get the confusion.

So, do you want to do a X Windows System GUI, or a Web form? :)
if GUI, please ask again here (with some ideas of how you want to use the
Xml schema in XForms) otherwise see the links on [2] under the heading "The
XForms Public Mailing List" (funny, the W3C does not have a nice page with
links to the subsections of its home page :).

[1] http://world.std.com/~xforms/
[2] http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/

-- 
Todd Denniston
Crane Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC Crane) 
Harnessing the Power of Technology for the Warfighter

From lingzsweet at yahoo.com  Thu May 19 11:23:02 2005
From: lingzsweet at yahoo.com (Lings)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 08:23:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [XForms] DTD in Xforms
Message-ID: <20050519152303.65083.qmail@web21323.mail.yahoo.com>

Can I use DTD instead of XML Schema in XForms?


		
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From lingzsweet at yahoo.com  Thu May 19 11:32:27 2005
From: lingzsweet at yahoo.com (Lings)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 08:32:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [XForms] XForms User Interface
Message-ID: <20050519153227.94971.qmail@web21327.mail.yahoo.com>

Hallo, I'm very new in xforms. That's why I'm joining this mailing list.
What I want to ask is :
Is ist possible to use another file (xml file) to specifying the input control in my form?
i.e  template.xml
 
<quality_form>
     <text_field>
         <name/>
         <value/>
     </text_field>
     <checkbox>
         <name/>
         <value/>
     </checkbox>
     <text_area>
         <name/>
         <value/>
     </text_area>
</quality_form>

 
This xml file will "tell" my xforms page to contain 1 text field, 1 check box and 1 text area in the user interface section. With name (as label) and value are specified in the xforms page. This form also generated another xml file that will save the data..

template.xml >> xforms >> data.xml
 
So, can XForms handle this? or should I use other application to support xforms? Or maybe any other solutions?

		
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From tompoe at amihost.com  Fri May 27 19:16:45 2005
From: tompoe at amihost.com (tom poe)
Date: 27 May 2005 16:16:45 -0700
Subject: [XForms] what is the correct URL for download?
Message-ID: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>

ftp://ncmir.ucsd.edu/pub/xforms/linux-i386
doesn't let me download xforms for i386 linux.  I copied the above URL
from the mirror page
http://world.std.com/~xforms/ftp/ftp.html
Thanks,
Tom



From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Sun May 29 09:17:34 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 14:17:34 +0100
Subject: [XForms] what is the correct URL for download?
In-Reply-To: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Saturday 28 May 2005 00:16, tom poe wrote:
> To subscribers of the xforms list
>
>
> ftp://ncmir.ucsd.edu/pub/xforms/linux-i386
> doesn't let me download xforms for i386 linux.  I copied the above
> URL from the mirror page
> http://world.std.com/~xforms/ftp/ftp.html
> Thanks,
> Tom

http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms/

Angus

From jac4 at mindless.com  Wed Jul  6 16:11:22 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 20:11:22 -0000
Subject: [XForms] xforms mailing list
Message-ID: <20050706201121.3269DCDA8F@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

The archive is here, right...?

http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms/

I've been getting 403 forbidden errors there. Where is the archive now?



----- Original Message -----
From: "Angus Leeming" <angus.leeming at btopenworld.com>
To: xforms at bob.usuhs.mil
Subject: Re: [XForms] what is the correct URL for download?
Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 14:17:34 +0100

> 
> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> 
> On Saturday 28 May 2005 00:16, tom poe wrote:
> > To subscribers of the xforms list
> >
> >
> > ftp://ncmir.ucsd.edu/pub/xforms/linux-i386
> > doesn't let me download xforms for i386 linux.  I copied the above
> > URL from the mirror page
> > http://world.std.com/~xforms/ftp/ftp.html
> > Thanks,
> > Tom
> 
> http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms/
> 
> Angus
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see:
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms




From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Wed Jul 20 04:50:25 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 08:50:25 -0000
Subject: [XForms] Re: xforms mailing list
In-Reply-To: <20050706201121.3269DCDA8F@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20050706201121.3269DCDA8F@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <200507200950.09269.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Wednesday 06 July 2005 21:11, jason cipriani wrote:
> The archive is here, right...?
>
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms/
>
> I've been getting 403 forbidden errors there. Where is the archive
> now?

Looks like we have a problem. Bob?

Old archives:
http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/

Angus




From maili at heisch.inka.de  Fri Aug 19 05:08:15 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:08:15 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
Message-ID: <20050819110815.07b6b561@emig4.heisch.inka.de>

To subscribers of the xforms list

Hello

I am using xforms-1.0.90 and have a problem with the input object:
while editing, cursor moves two positions at a single keystroke (cursor
left).

Behaviour seems to be a bug in the library, but I'm not sure.

Is there any workaround you know ?


Thanks for any answers,

Gerald


From bob at bob.usuhs.mil  Fri Aug 26 11:18:18 2005
From: bob at bob.usuhs.mil (Robert Williams)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:18:18 -0400
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Message-ID: <430F32BA.3020607@bob.usuhs.mil>

Dear list,

The list went down just prior to my going on vacation.
I had move to a new machine and new version of OS
and mailman.   Sorry about that.
It should be working well now.  

Best Wishes,
Bob Williams
XForms list administrator



From jac4 at mindless.com  Mon Aug 29 21:38:26 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:38:26 -0500
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Message-ID: <20050830013826.F1D70CDA00@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

The list was actually down since at least July 6th (nearly 7 weeks), unless there was a period of uptime in the middle. Although I was apparently the last person ever to post to this list before it came back up, it seems... I received the post I made 7 weeks ago just a few days ago. 403 Forbidden errors, originally, if I'm not mistaken.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Williams" <bob at bob.usuhs.mil>
To: xforms at bob.usuhs.mil
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:18:18 -0400

> 
> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> Dear list,
> 
> The list went down just prior to my going on vacation.
> I had move to a new machine and new version of OS
> and mailman.   Sorry about that.
> It should be working well now.  Best Wishes,
> Bob Williams
> XForms list administrator
> 
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms




From jac4 at mindless.com  Mon Aug 29 21:39:50 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:39:50 -0500
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Message-ID: <20050830013950.2F069CD9FE@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

Oh, I'm sorry, the 403 errors were for archive access. Which reminds me... what is the correct URL of the xforms mailing list archives now?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Williams" <bob at bob.usuhs.mil>
To: xforms at bob.usuhs.mil
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:18:18 -0400

> 
> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> Dear list,
> 
> The list went down just prior to my going on vacation.
> I had move to a new machine and new version of OS
> and mailman.   Sorry about that.
> It should be working well now.  Best Wishes,
> Bob Williams
> XForms list administrator
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From bob at bob.usuhs.mil  Tue Aug 30 08:24:39 2005
From: bob at bob.usuhs.mil (Robert Williams)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 08:24:39 -0400
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
In-Reply-To: <20050830013950.2F069CD9FE@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20050830013950.2F069CD9FE@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <43145007.2080103@bob.usuhs.mil>

Dear Jason and list,

The archive access was also broken, I don't know when.
This is now restored, thanks to Jason for seeing this.
The correct URLs are as they were, listed below,
unless I'm missing something else.   The server should be
stable now for the next few years.

Bob,
XForms list admin

jason cipriani wrote:

>To subscribers of the xforms list
>
>Oh, I'm sorry, the 403 errors were for archive access. Which reminds me... what is the correct URL of the xforms mailing list archives now?
>  
>
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>List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
>http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
>Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms
>
>  
>



From maili at heisch.inka.de  Wed Aug 31 00:55:55 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 06:55:55 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
Message-ID: <20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>

To subscribers of the xforms list

Hello

I am using xforms-1.0.90 and have a problem with the input object:
while editing, cursor moves two positions at a single keystroke (cursor
left).

Behaviour seems to be a bug in the library, but I'm not sure.

Is there any workaround you know ?


Thanks for any answers,

Gerald


From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Wed Aug 31 04:55:42 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:55:42 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de> (Gerald Emig's
	message of "Wed, 31 Aug 2005 06:55:55 +0200")
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
Message-ID: <liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:

Gerald> To subscribers of the xforms list To subscribers of the xforms
Gerald> list

Gerald> Hello

Gerald> I am using xforms-1.0.90 and have a problem with the input
Gerald> object: while editing, cursor moves two positions at a single
Gerald> keystroke (cursor left).

Gerald> Behaviour seems to be a bug in the library, but I'm not sure.

Gerald> Is there any workaround you know ?

I do not know that problem. Could you give more details about your
settings?

JMarc


From maili at heisch.inka.de  Wed Aug 31 06:41:29 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:41:29 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
Message-ID: <20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de>



On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:55:42 +0200
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr> wrote:

> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> >>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:
> 
> Gerald> To subscribers of the xforms list To subscribers of the xforms
> Gerald> list
> 
> Gerald> Hello
> 
> Gerald> I am using xforms-1.0.90 and have a problem with the input
> Gerald> object: while editing, cursor moves two positions at a single
> Gerald> keystroke (cursor left).
> 
> Gerald> Behaviour seems to be a bug in the library, but I'm not sure.
> 
> Gerald> Is there any workaround you know ?
> 
> I do not know that problem. Could you give more details about your
> settings?

I use Suse Linux 9.1
I see this double jumping of the cursor in the input object I place on a
form as well as in the attributes dialogue of fdesign.
In a multiline input, hitting return produces two new lines...

Observation: ^b moves left correctly, Cursor Left not.



> 
> JMarc
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
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> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
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From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Wed Aug 31 07:43:02 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:43:02 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de> (Gerald Emig's
	message of "Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:41:29 +0200")
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
Message-ID: <liyzmqys56h.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:

Gerald> I use Suse Linux 9.1 I see this double jumping of the cursor
Gerald> in the input object I place on a form as well as in the
Gerald> attributes dialogue of fdesign. In a multiline input, hitting
Gerald> return produces two new lines...

Gerald> Observation: ^b moves left correctly, Cursor Left not.

Did you compile by yourself, or was xforms 1.0.90 bundled by suse?
They apply a big extra patch to xforms to support CJK
(chinese-japanese-korean) input, it this patch is probably not
perfect... 

You could try to report this bug to suse directly, or to build your
own xforms 1.0.90 to see whether it helps.

JMarc


From maili at heisch.inka.de  Wed Aug 31 08:13:13 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:13:13 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <liyzmqys56h.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyzmqys56h.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
Message-ID: <20050831141313.04d318ee@emig4.heisch.inka.de>

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:43:02 +0200
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr> wrote:

> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> >>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:
> 
> Gerald> I use Suse Linux 9.1 I see this double jumping of the cursor
> Gerald> in the input object I place on a form as well as in the
> Gerald> attributes dialogue of fdesign. In a multiline input, hitting
> Gerald> return produces two new lines...
> 
> Gerald> Observation: ^b moves left correctly, Cursor Left not.
> 
> Did you compile by yourself, or was xforms 1.0.90 bundled by suse?
> They apply a big extra patch to xforms to support CJK
> (chinese-japanese-korean) input, it this patch is probably not
> perfect... 

Thank you very much for the hint.

I use the Suse package, but I'll try to compile xforms myself as soon as
possible with suse 9.1 (I do not want to break my working environment
at the moment).

In the meanwhile I tried xforms under the recent suse 9.3.
First of all I had to compile the library myself because they do not
support it anymore (at least it seems so).
But with this self compiled lib all works great.


Thank you

Gerald 

> 
> You could try to report this bug to suse directly, or to build your
> own xforms 1.0.90 to see whether it helps.
> 
> JMarc
> _______________________________________________
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From maili at heisch.inka.de  Sat Sep  3 12:20:52 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 18:20:52 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <20050831141313.04d318ee@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyzmqys56h.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<20050831141313.04d318ee@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
Message-ID: <20050903182052.6f9902c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>


Hello all,

I compiled xforms myself and this solved the problem.
Thanks for your help.

Gerald


On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:13:13 +0200
Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> wrote:

> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:43:02 +0200
> Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr> wrote:
> 
> > To subscribers of the xforms list
> > 
> > >>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:
> > 
> > Gerald> I use Suse Linux 9.1 I see this double jumping of the cursor
> > Gerald> in the input object I place on a form as well as in the
> > Gerald> attributes dialogue of fdesign. In a multiline input,
> > hitting Gerald> return produces two new lines...
> > 
> > Gerald> Observation: ^b moves left correctly, Cursor Left not.
> > 
> > Did you compile by yourself, or was xforms 1.0.90 bundled by suse?
> > They apply a big extra patch to xforms to support CJK
> > (chinese-japanese-korean) input, it this patch is probably not
> > perfect... 
> 
> Thank you very much for the hint.
> 
> I use the Suse package, but I'll try to compile xforms myself as soon
> as possible with suse 9.1 (I do not want to break my working
> environment at the moment).
> 
> In the meanwhile I tried xforms under the recent suse 9.3.
> First of all I had to compile the library myself because they do not
> support it anymore (at least it seems so).
> But with this self compiled lib all works great.
> 
> 
> Thank you
> 
> Gerald 
> 
> > 
> > You could try to report this bug to suse directly, or to build your
> > own xforms 1.0.90 to see whether it helps.
> > 
> > JMarc
> > _______________________________________________
> > To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> > xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> > http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> > XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> > List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> > http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> > Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
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> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
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From carsten.voss at rmit.edu.au  Mon Oct 10 03:21:34 2005
From: carsten.voss at rmit.edu.au (Carsten Voss)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:21:34 +1000
Subject: [XForms] xforms and glibc 2.3, newer verson available?
Message-ID: <s34aa33f.045@its-gw-inet57.its.rmit.edu.au>

Hi Folks,

I cannot seem to find a source download or an Linux RPM of xforms that will work on glibc2.3?
Any advice most welcome. Thanks.

I have installed version  xforms-0.89-3 which I believe is intended for glibc2.1. Unfortunitely I try and compile wulffman (which uses xforms) I receive referencing errors from libforms.a.

best regards,
Carsten Voss




From dadembro at rockwellcollins.com  Mon Oct 10 10:05:06 2005
From: dadembro at rockwellcollins.com (dadembro at rockwellcollins.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:05:06 -0400
Subject: [XForms] xforms and glibc 2.3, newer verson available?
In-Reply-To: <s34aa33f.045@its-gw-inet57.its.rmit.edu.au>
Message-ID: <OF25AB0DAF.0401B0BB-ON85257096.004CE817-85257096.004D5EFD@rockwellcollins.com>

Carsten,

For the latest source try:
      http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms

Slainte,
---d.dembrow



                                                                           
             "Carsten Voss"                                                
             <carsten.voss at rmi                                             
             t.edu.au>                                                  To 
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To subscribers of the xforms list

Hi Folks,

I cannot seem to find a source download or an Linux RPM of xforms that will
work on glibc2.3?
Any advice most welcome. Thanks.

I have installed version  xforms-0.89-3 which I believe is intended for
glibc2.1. Unfortunitely I try and compile wulffman (which uses xforms) I
receive referencing errors from libforms.a.

best regards,
Carsten Voss


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From GalbraithP at dfo-mpo.gc.ca  Tue Oct 11 10:54:01 2005
From: GalbraithP at dfo-mpo.gc.ca (Peter Galbraith)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:54:01 -0400
Subject: [XForms] xforms and glibc 2.3, newer verson available? 
In-Reply-To: Message from <dadembro@rockwellcollins.com> of "Mon,
	10 Oct 2005 10:05:06 EDT."
	<OF25AB0DAF.0401B0BB-ON85257096.004CE817-85257096.004D5EFD@rockwellcollins.com>
References: <OF25AB0DAF.0401B0BB-ON85257096.004CE817-85257096.004D5EFD@rockwellcollins.com>
Message-ID: <20051011145401.00A1E10A74A@mixing.qc.dfo.ca>

<dadembro at rockwellcollins.com> wrote:

> For the latest source try:
>       http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms

Debian is still using the stable release 1.0

Given that 1.0.90 has been a candidate for over one year without
apparent problems, would I update Debian with that?

Thanks,

Peter


From gnushi at gmx.net  Sat Oct 22 11:18:59 2005
From: gnushi at gmx.net (Gnu Shi)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 17:18:59 +0200
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
Message-ID: <1129994339.7002.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>


Hi!

It is a bit hard to find this list. There seems no advertisment at
http://savannah.nongnu.org/mail/?group=xforms

Are you still working on XForms?

GnuShi


-- 



From jac4 at mindless.com  Sat Oct 22 14:25:41 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 13:25:41 -0500
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
Message-ID: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

> Hi!
> 
> It is a bit hard to find this list. There seems no advertisment at
> http://savannah.nongnu.org/mail/?group=xforms
> 
> Are you still working on XForms?
> 
> GnuShi

I have been wondering the same thing. There has not been an update in quite 
some time. A while ago, there was a flurry of patches and activity but a new 
official release never came out.

Speaking of which, if you're looking for a new maintainer or some help... 
*cough* *cough*. Although it's been some time since I personally dug into the 
code at all, but I can definitely think of a few improvements here and there. 
In any case if you guys are planning on another official release any time 
soon I do have some things here and there I'd like to fix that I can submit 
patches for. XForms seems to be getting a bit old and dusty.

Jason

> 
> 
> --
> 
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see:
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms




From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Mon Oct 24 08:54:12 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:54:12 +0200
Subject: [XForms] xforms and glibc 2.3, newer verson available?
In-Reply-To: <20051011145401.00A1E10A74A@mixing.qc.dfo.ca> (Peter Galbraith's
	message of "Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:54:01 -0400")
References: <OF25AB0DAF.0401B0BB-ON85257096.004CE817-85257096.004D5EFD@rockwellcollins.com>
	<20051011145401.00A1E10A74A@mixing.qc.dfo.ca>
Message-ID: <liyk6g313ez.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Peter" == Peter Galbraith <GalbraithP at dfo-mpo.gc.ca> writes:

Peter> To subscribers of the xforms list
Peter> <dadembro at rockwellcollins.com> wrote:

>> For the latest source try:
>> http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms

Peter> Debian is still using the stable release 1.0

Peter> Given that 1.0.90 has been a candidate for over one year
Peter> without apparent problems, would I update Debian with that?

Yes, I think you should.

JMarc


From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Mon Oct 24 09:03:23 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 15:03:23 +0200
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
In-Reply-To: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> (jason
	cipriani's message of "Sat, 22 Oct 2005 13:25:41 -0500")
References: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <liyirvn12zo.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "jason" == jason cipriani <jac4 at mindless.com> writes:

jason> I have been wondering the same thing. There has not been an
jason> update in quite some time. A while ago, there was a flurry of
jason> patches and activity but a new official release never came out.

The sad truth is that nothing is happening. We should have released
xforms 1.1 ages ago and there is no sign that this is going to
happen... 

jason> Speaking of which, if you're looking for a new maintainer or
jason> some help... *cough* *cough*. Although it's been some time
jason> since I personally dug into the code at all, but I can
jason> definitely think of a few improvements here and there. 

It might be a good solution indeed, although I can't speak for Angus.

jason> In any case if you guys are planning on another official
jason> release any time soon I do have some things here and there I'd
jason> like to fix that I can submit patches for.

I can't speak for Angus, but personally I'd like at least to release a
1.1 version with what we have now (plus the fl_set_locale() patch that
I never got around to apply). What do you have in store?

jason> XForms seems to be getting a bit old and dusty.

Sure.

JMarc


From Gayle.C.Roth at nasa.gov  Mon Oct 24 09:55:27 2005
From: Gayle.C.Roth at nasa.gov (Gayle C Roth)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 09:55:27 -0400
Subject: [XForms] xforms on VMS
Message-ID: <5.1.1.5.2.20051024094416.0100b8f0@popserve.grc.nasa.gov>

Hi,

I'm using a version of xforms I built on a VMS 7.3-2 system.  The 
application I'm building necessitates the use of a hibernate/wake mechanism 
(the program I'm working with calls the VMS system service 
sys$hiber).  I've found that, at least initially, a single call to 
sys$hiber is not enough -- it takes 2 calls to sys$hiber before the program 
actually hibernates.  I further discovered that this is because xforms is 
somehow setting the "wake-pending" bit.  Does anyone have an idea why and 
where xforms is setting this bit, and how I can keep it from happening?

Thanks,
Gayle




From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Tue Oct 25 05:18:53 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:18:53 +0100
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
In-Reply-To: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <200510251018.53224.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Saturday 22 October 2005 19:25, jason cipriani wrote:
> > It is a bit hard to find this list. There seems no advertisment at
> > http://savannah.nongnu.org/mail/?group=xforms

Patches are always welcome. Personally, I've no real html skills.

> > Are you still working on XForms?

Not really :)

> > GnuShi
>
> I have been wondering the same thing. There has not been an update in quite
> some time. A while ago, there was a flurry of patches and activity but a
> new official release never came out.

I got stuck trying to resolve what I believe is a major flaw. However, I 
eventually gave up because I do't have the X11 skills to fix the problem 
correctly. Tha's a shame, because the flaw is actually just a kludge in one 
small piece of code; someone with the right skills could probably fix it in a 
day.

> Speaking of which, if you're looking for a new maintainer or some help...
> *cough* *cough*. Although it's been some time since I personally dug into
> the code at all, but I can definitely think of a few improvements here and
> there. In any case if you guys are planning on another official release any
> time soon I do have some things here and there I'd like to fix that I can
> submit patches for. XForms seems to be getting a bit old and dusty.

Great! I think I'm going to grab your offer with both hands. My XForms days 
are very limited I'm afraid as I'm soon going to be empoyed by a company that 
actively prohibits GPL software development. OK, XForms is LGPL-licenced, 
but...

Please set up a savannah account if you don't have one already and mail me the 
details. I'll add you to the project's list of administrators.

Angus


From jac4 at mindless.com  Thu Oct 27 12:04:16 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:04:16 -0500
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
Message-ID: <20051027160418.E30DBCDA09@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

> I got stuck trying to resolve what I believe is a major flaw. However, I
> eventually gave up because I do't have the X11 skills to fix the problem
> correctly. Tha's a shame, because the flaw is actually just a kludge in one
> small piece of code; someone with the right skills could probably fix it in a
> day.

What is the flaw?

> Great! I think I'm going to grab your offer with both hands. My XForms days
> are very limited I'm afraid as I'm soon going to be empoyed by a company that
> actively prohibits GPL software development. OK, XForms is LGPL-licenced,
> but...
> 
> Please set up a savannah account if you don't have one already and mail me the
> details. I'll add you to the project's list of administrators.

Honestly, I didn't expect my offer to be met with such enthusiasm ;) I have a side project that I'm working on right now which will be finished around mid-December. Once that is over with, I will set up a Savannah account and give you the details. In the mean time, I'll put together all the changes I've made. They're all relatively minor, mostly fdesign related. After this project clears up then I'll have the time to start working on XForms more actively. I'll get back to you soon.

Jason




From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Thu Oct 27 12:19:02 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:19:02 +0100
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
In-Reply-To: <20051027160418.E30DBCDA09@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20051027160418.E30DBCDA09@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <200510271719.02876.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Thursday 27 October 2005 17:04, jason cipriani wrote:
> > I got stuck trying to resolve what I believe is a major flaw. However, I
> > eventually gave up because I do't have the X11 skills to fix the problem
> > correctly. Tha's a shame, because the flaw is actually just a kludge in
> > one small piece of code; someone with the right skills could probably fix
> > it in a day.
>
> What is the flaw?

In forms.c:

#if 1
    /* this is an ugly hack. This is necessary due to popup pointer grab
       where a button release is eaten. Really should do a send event from
       the pop-up routines */

    if (fl_pushobj && !button_down(fl_keymask) /* && event == FL_ENTER */ )
    {
	obj = fl_pushobj;
	fl_pushobj = NULL;
	fl_handle_object(obj, FL_RELEASE, xx, yy, key, xev);
    }
#endif

It has unpleasant consequences all over the place.

> Honestly, I didn't expect my offer to be met with such enthusiasm ;) I have
> a side project that I'm working on right now which will be finished around
> mid-December. Once that is over with, I will set up a Savannah account and
> give you the details. In the mean time, I'll put together all the changes
> I've made. They're all relatively minor, mostly fdesign related. After this
> project clears up then I'll have the time to start working on XForms more
> actively. I'll get back to you soon.

Great!
Angus


From s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk  Mon Dec  5 10:12:20 2005
From: s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk (Sheila R. Bryant)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:12:20 +0000
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Solaris
Message-ID: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>

Hi everyone,

I'm trying to build xforms-1.0.90 on a Solaris 9 machine. I'm using 
gcc-3.2.2 to compile, and

./configure --prefix=/opt/tools --enable-demos --enable-warnings \
             --disable-gl

The problem comes when the demos are being built, ibrowser will not 
link, and I get

gcc -g -O -Wall -o .libs/ibrowser ibrowser.o  -L/usr/openwin/lib 
-L/opt/graphics/lib -L/opt/GNU/gcc-3.2.2/lib -L/opt/GNU/lib 
../image/.libs/libflimage.so ../lib/.libs/libforms.so -lSM -lICE 
/opt/graphics/lib/libjpeg.so -lXpm -lX11 -lsocket -lnsl -lc -lm 
-R/opt/tools/lib -R/opt/graphics/lib -R/usr/openwin/lib 
-R/opt/GNU/gcc-3.2.2/lib -R/opt/GNU/lib
Undefined                       first referenced
  symbol                             in file
.LLC90                              ../image/.libs/libflimage.so
ld: fatal: Symbol referencing errors. No output written to .libs/ibrowser
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
gmake[2]: *** [ibrowser] Error 1
gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/home/opt-user/download/xforms-1.0.90/demos'
gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/home/opt-user/download/xforms-1.0.90/demos'
gmake: *** [all-recursive] Error 1


This is a completely new one to me, and Google is not throwing up 
anything helpful. Does anyone have any ideas on what I might try? My aim 
is to get Lyx up and running, but until I can solve (or sidestep) this 
problem, I'm stuck.

Many thanks
-- 

Sheila
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dr. Sheila Bryant                        Software Applications Support
Email: S.R.Bryant at reading.ac.uk          Dept. of Meteorology,
Phone: 0118 378 6395                     University of Reading,

--------------------------------------------------------------------------


From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Mon Dec  5 10:23:50 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:23:50 +0000
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Solaris
In-Reply-To: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <200512051523.50227.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Monday 05 December 2005 15:12, Sheila R. Bryant wrote:
> This is a completely new one to me, and Google is not throwing up
> anything helpful. Does anyone have any ideas on what I might try? My aim
> is to get Lyx up and running, but until I can solve (or sidestep) this
> problem, I'm stuck.

Hi, Sheila. I've never seen this bug before, but if you want to compile XForms 
only to get LyX up and running, you don't really need the demos ;-)

Angus


From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Mon Dec  5 10:26:53 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:26:53 +0100
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Solaris
In-Reply-To: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk> (Sheila R. Bryant's message of
	"Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:12:20 +0000")
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Sheila" == Sheila R Bryant <s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk> writes:

Sheila> This is a completely new one to me, and Google is not throwing
Sheila> up anything helpful. Does anyone have any ideas on what I
Sheila> might try? My aim is to get Lyx up and running, but until I
Sheila> can solve (or sidestep) this problem, I'm stuck.

This is indeed weird, never heard of that.

But if you do not build the demos, everything is right, isn't it?

JMarc

PS: of course, you can also use the qt version of LyX, but I should
not say that here :)


From s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk  Mon Dec  5 10:43:06 2005
From: s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk (Sheila R. Bryant)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:43:06 +0000
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Solaris
In-Reply-To: <liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
	<liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
Message-ID: <4394600A.9040809@reading.ac.uk>

Hi JMarc,

Well, if I don't build the demos, xforms claims to build OK, but when I 
try to build LyX I get this problem come up. All the demos that build 
seem to run OK - assorted boxes, buttons, forms etc come up and go away 
in a controlled manner.

Where LyX falls down is in a test to find flimage_dup; I can reproduce 
the error with a test.c

char flimage_dup ();
int
main ()
{
flimage_dup ();
   ;
   return 0;
}

compiled with

gcc -o test test.c -L/opt/tools/lib -lflimage -ljpeg -lforms -lXpm

Hope that sheds some more light

Cheers

Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
>>>>>>"Sheila" == Sheila R Bryant <s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk> writes:
> 
> 
> Sheila> This is a completely new one to me, and Google is not throwing
> Sheila> up anything helpful. Does anyone have any ideas on what I
> Sheila> might try? My aim is to get Lyx up and running, but until I
> Sheila> can solve (or sidestep) this problem, I'm stuck.
> 
> This is indeed weird, never heard of that.
> 
> But if you do not build the demos, everything is right, isn't it?
> 
> JMarc
> 
> PS: of course, you can also use the qt version of LyX, but I should
> not say that here :)

-- 

Sheila
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dr. Sheila Bryant                        Software Applications Support
Email: S.R.Bryant at reading.ac.uk          Dept. of Meteorology,
Phone: 0118 378 6395                     University of Reading,

--------------------------------------------------------------------------


From mcrespo at ictp.trieste.it  Wed Dec  7 05:52:33 2005
From: mcrespo at ictp.trieste.it (CRESPO MARIA LIZ)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:52:33 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Windows
In-Reply-To: <liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
	<liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512071145360.31165@ssh-2>


what about building Xforms on Windows? Could someone tell me something 
about it?
Thank you.
Regards,
Maria Liz


**********************************************
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ICTP-INFN Laboratory
the Abdus Salam International Centre for Theoretical Physics
Via Beirut 31
34100 - Trieste (Italy)
Tel: 39 040 2249930
Fax: 39 040 224600
**********************************************


From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Wed Dec  7 06:27:09 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 12:27:09 +0100
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Windows
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512071145360.31165@ssh-2> (CRESPO MARIA LIZ's
	message of "Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:52:33 +0100 (CET)")
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
	<liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0512071145360.31165@ssh-2>
Message-ID: <liy8xuxywoi.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "CRESPO" == CRESPO MARIA LIZ <mcrespo at ictp.trieste.it> writes:

CRESPO> To subscribers of the xforms list what about building Xforms
CRESPO> on Windows? Could someone tell me something about it? 

You need cygwin and an X server. Other than that, it is supposed to
work with the latest 1.0.90 version. I'd be interested to know whether
it really works, though.

In might even work with mingw, I do not actually know.

JMarc


From christof.hoeke at e-7.com  Tue Feb  8 05:35:57 2005
From: christof.hoeke at e-7.com (christof.hoeke at e-7.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:35:57 +0100
Subject: [XForms] Xforms or XHTML 1.0 Forms Module
Message-ID: <96849388D2102F40AEF198798540F2E1E6B8E2@gt1mail1.gt.da-ag.local>

Hi,
A question regarding which forms dialect to choose as a basis for a web application processing framework.

Background
We developed a custom XML format to be used to describe and process (web) forms which itself is part of a custom XML format basically describing (web) pages and a processing/workflow part.
For the frontend it is transformed via XSLT to HTML/CSS to target desktop browsers (may later also be PDA or whatever). So the format has to include enough information for a semantically sufficient processing in it (accessibility is an issue). The layout information is in the enclosing format.
For the backend the same format is used for a kind of basic workflow and of course the processing of the input data (delegation to other applications, storing, validation etc).

For the next version currently in development the format needs to be changed anyway (not the best yet as it is more or less a pure layout format yet and not even complete regarding all form possibilities [grouping of option elements etc]). 
So we thought of using a standard format for the forms part of the format (which currently cannot be changed as a whole as it is also used for CMS generated static pages and which should not be needed anyway if just adding forms as a module). 

Anyway, we looked into Xforms (XTHML 2.0 forms) but wondered if they bring enough advantages compared to the second option, using simply XHTML 1.0 Forms.

Xforms:
- new format, needs to be learned and implemented, higher learning curve+ new standard and therefore possibly more futureproove format
- for basic layout information maybe label needing to be child of input (is this actually mandatory?) cannot easily be transformed to the HTML <label for="ID"> <input id="ID"> possibility
+ includes validation and separation of model and view
... Lots more of course

XHTML 1.0 Forms:
+ lots of experience, known format and fairly simple, easy to use
+ of course includes all elements we need for a transformation to HTML (fieldset/legend, input+label, @accesskey, @tabindex etc)
- validation/data-types and other stuff needs to be added with custom or Xforms parts
...

Maybe we don't yet understand Xforms right, but at the moment we tend to use XHTML 1.0 forms for the following reasons/questions, maybe anyone can share his opinions?
* can Xforms describe *all* possible HTML form elements without the need to add custom extensions? 
	* above <label for="ID"> <input id="ID"> example which seems difficult in XForms
	* fieldset/legend elements, select/optgroup/option elements etc
* submitting XML from the browser does not work yet so this part of Xforms would have to be committed anyway
* new widgets (range widget) cannot be used on browsers yet either
* workload to integrate Xforms compared to XHTML 1.0 forms seems much higher 
* later migration to xforms should not be too difficult

Any opinions would be great, thanks a lot 
chris



From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Tue Feb  8 06:55:01 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 12:55:01 +0100
Subject: [XForms] Xforms or XHTML 1.0 Forms Module
In-Reply-To: <96849388D2102F40AEF198798540F2E1E6B8E2@gt1mail1.gt.da-ag.local>
	(christof hoeke's message of "Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:35:57 +0100")
References: <96849388D2102F40AEF198798540F2E1E6B8E2@gt1mail1.gt.da-ag.local>
Message-ID: <liyy8dznu5m.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Christof" ==   <christof.hoeke at e-7.com> writes:

Christof> Hi, A question regarding which forms dialect to choose as a
Christof> basis for a web application processing framework.

Hello, you found the wrong xforms list. This list is for discussing
the old and venerable xforms GUI toolkit, not the new and exciting
XForms w3c standard (or whatever) :)

JMarc

From psg at debian.org  Tue Feb  8 09:22:41 2005
From: psg at debian.org (Peter S Galbraith)
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:22:41 -0500
Subject: [XForms] Re: XForms: Documentation 
In-Reply-To: Message from "T.C. Zhao" <tc_zhao@yahoo.com> 
	<20030908154838.51918.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com> 
References: <20030908154838.51918.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com> 
Message-ID: <20050208142241.8683AAB07E@mixing.qc.dfo.ca>

On Sept 8th 2003, T.C. Zhao <tc_zhao at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Sorry for the delay and thanks for the info. GPL it is.
> 
> I am currently travelling and will be back home end of September. Expect the
> free manual in October sometime.
> 
> -TC
> --- Peter S Galbraith <psg at debian.org> wrote:
> > To subscribers of the xforms list
> > 
> > 
> > T.C. Zhao <tc_zhao at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > All I need to do is boot up my old linux box and recover the doc
> > > and send it.  Will do this sometime in April (I've been travelling,
> > > and am sending this email from Tokyo).
> > > -TC
> > 
> > Hi T.C.,
> > 
> > I really hate to keep nagging you like this.  :-)
> > 
> > You meant to release the sources of the XForms manual last April but
> > never got around to it.  This is a reminder.  Also, please avoid using
> > the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) since it not a free software
> > license and therefore cannot be included in the Debian distribution.
> > Using the GPL would be fine.

Hello T.C.,

Consider this another nudge to release the sources of the XForms
manual.  On the plus side, I didn't nag you in 2004.  ;-)

Please consider taking some time to actually do this now, while the
sources still exist, and before you get hit by a bus or something and
they are gone forever.  The XForms sources have been free for a long
time now (Thanks!) and they really should have free documentation.

Thanks,
-- 
Peter S. Galbraith, Debian Developer          <psg at debian.org>
                                 http://people.debian.org/~psg
GPG key 1024/D2A913A1 - 97CE 866F F579 96EE  6E68 8170 35FF 799E

From msz at astrouw.edu.pl  Fri Mar 11 16:24:12 2005
From: msz at astrouw.edu.pl (Michal Szymanski)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:24:12 +0100
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
Message-ID: <20050311212412.GA13751@astrouw.edu.pl>

Hi,

I have a pretty complicated XForms application for controlling the
telscope. One of the object used is a "normal" (no selection) browser
for displaying messages to the user. I have noticed that the mouse wheel
(functioning, as reported by "xev", as Button 4 & 5) works mostly as
expected, i.e. scrolling the browser. Howerver, quite often, possibly
(although I am not sure) when the browser has many lines and I rotate
the wheel fast, the whole application crashes badly.

As such a crash is a very bad thing while the user is observing with the
telescope, I would like to disable the wheel, possibly only for that
browser (or my XForms application), as it worls fine in other
applications like xterm or mozilla. Is it doable?

regards, Michal. 

-- 
  Michal Szymanski (msz at astrouw dot edu dot pl)
  Warsaw University Observatory, Warszawa, POLAND

From jac4 at mindless.com  Sun Mar 13 01:21:04 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 01:21:04 -0500
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
Message-ID: <20050313062104.5B3C4CDA29@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

> As such a crash is a very bad thing while the user is observing with the
> telescope, I would like to disable the wheel, possibly only for that
> browser (or my XForms application), as it worls fine in other
> applications like xterm or mozilla. Is it doable?

I am not certain, but you may be able to do this with fl_set_object_prehandler(). You can set a prehandler for your browser and check to see if the xevent is a mouse wheel button event. If it is then return FL_PREEMPT from the prehandler, and that should prevent the event from reaching the browser.

Documentation is here:
http://www.public.iastate.edu/~xforms/node6.html#6888

It's weird that it crashes, though. When you say it only happens in browsers with a lot of items, how many items is "a lot"?

Jason


From xforms2 at vjet.demon.co.uk  Sun Mar 13 17:11:44 2005
From: xforms2 at vjet.demon.co.uk (Clive A Stubbings)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:11:44 GMT
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
Message-ID: <200503132211.j2DMBiQ3001137@vjet.demon.co.uk>

Michal Szymanski  said:

> Howerver, quite often, possibly
> (although I am not sure) when the browser has many lines and I rotate
> the wheel fast, the whole application crashes badly.

jason cipriani said:

> It's weird that it crashes, though. When you say it only happens in
> browsers with a lot of items, how many items is "a lot"?

I'm with Jason on this one. I'd bet its a code bug in your app.. I use
big browser lists and I had exactly the same symptom. I spent a while 
suspecting xforms too - but it was me ;-(

If it helps at all, in my case, the root cause was it was a callback
being called with no line selected in the browser. I didn't check,
and ended up dereferenced a wild pointer and core-dumped.

Cheers
Clive

From msz at astrouw.edu.pl  Sun Mar 13 23:27:16 2005
From: msz at astrouw.edu.pl (Michal Szymanski)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 05:27:16 +0100
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
In-Reply-To: <200503132211.j2DMBiQ3001137@vjet.demon.co.uk>
References: <200503132211.j2DMBiQ3001137@vjet.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20050314042716.GA17162@astrouw.edu.pl>

> > Howerver, quite often, possibly
> > (although I am not sure) when the browser has many lines and I rotate
> > the wheel fast, the whole application crashes badly.
> 
> jason cipriani said:
> 
> > It's weird that it crashes, though. When you say it only happens in
> > browsers with a lot of items, how many items is "a lot"?
> 
> I'm with Jason on this one. I'd bet its a code bug in your app.. I use
> big browser lists and I had exactly the same symptom. I spent a while 
> suspecting xforms too - but it was me ;-(
> 
> If it helps at all, in my case, the root cause was it was a callback
> being called with no line selected in the browser. I didn't check,
> and ended up dereferenced a wild pointer and core-dumped.

It well might be a code bug. As I said before, the crashes are random
and my guess to link them to the number of lines in the browser and/or
the speed of rotating the mice wheel may be wrong. Unfortunately it is a
kind of "production" application, controlling real hardware, so I cannot
make too many experiments.

"A lot of lines" may be several thousand. The browser gets the messages
from the telescope control system, I would estimate this to 1600-1800
lines per night and the program can run several weeks if everything is
going fine.

As for the "callback" suggestion: it is a FL_NORMAL_BROWSER, so AFAIK
there should be no interaction requiring callbacks. Just the scrolling.

I managed to disable mouse buttons 4 & 5 (wheel) for the browser using
"prehandler".

regards, Michal.

-- 
  Michal Szymanski (msz at astrouw dot edu dot pl)
  Warsaw University Observatory, Warszawa, POLAND

From jac4 at mindless.com  Mon Mar 14 00:16:20 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 00:16:20 -0500
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
Message-ID: <20050314051620.9FBD62000B@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

> It well might be a code bug. As I said before, the crashes are random
> and my guess to link them to the number of lines in the browser and/or
> the speed of rotating the mice wheel may be wrong. Unfortunately it is a
> kind of "production" application, controlling real hardware, so I cannot
> make too many experiments.
> 
> "A lot of lines" may be several thousand. The browser gets the messages
> from the telescope control system, I would estimate this to 1600-1800
> lines per night and the program can run several weeks if everything is
> going fine.

Not related to XForms, but here's a design hint: If your application crashes, and that's really bad, write another program that constantly watches your application to see if it crashes, and restarts it if it does. For example, a program that fork+exec's your program, then waitpid's for it to terminate. I also write software to control/automate a lot of hardware stuff, and I speak from many unpleasant experiences. ;( Not much worse than coming back to work on Monday only to find your software crashed sometime Saturday morning.

Alternatively, if you don't trust your toolkit, I might also recommend taking more of a client/server approach where your "server" is always controlling/logging telescope data and your "client" is a separate process that is just a GUI that you can monitor the server with. That way, if XForms hiccups, the GUI will crash but you won't lose any data/control.

Anyways I made a browser with 30000 lines in it just for grins and moved the wheel up and down for about 5 whole minutes with no problems, I'd look into other areas to find the problem. Disabling the mouse wheel may solve one of the symptoms but if it's a weird bug then you don't know what other problems may be going on behind the scenes.

Well, good luck with your application. Sounds interesting. :)


From dstrang at chartermi.net  Thu Apr  7 21:02:24 2005
From: dstrang at chartermi.net (David Strang)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 21:02:24 -0400
Subject: [XForms] CygWin and Xforms 1.0.2
Message-ID: <000e01c53bd6$a1543e20$6401a8c0@athlon24>

I have been trying to get this version of xforms fully functional under Cygwin 
and now is time for enabling the GL demos. Configure can't find the glx header
file even though GL is installed and  glx.h and other GL files seem to exist
inside the "C:\cygwin\usr\X11R6\include\GL" folder. 

Could this be a path issue? But why doesn't GL get searched but the rest of
the stuff does?

Doesn't configure know where the GL stuff exists?

Any help here is appreciated...it must be something I'm over looking.

Regards,
Dave Strang


From jason.bentz at lmco.com  Tue Apr 19 13:40:29 2005
From: jason.bentz at lmco.com (Bentz, Jason)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:40:29 -0500
Subject: [XForms] xforms Window Moving Problem
Message-ID: <BE12A2C28D407645B76E15220BAAD9CF751659@emss02m19.us.lmco.com>

I'm using xforms-1.0.90 installed on Red Hat Linux Enterprise 3.0, and
have a GUI that was designed using xforms.  The problem I'm experiencing
is when trying to move the window that the GUI is in, on the desktop.
When I click & hold on the menu bar to move the window around the
desktop, sometimes I move the mouse pointer, and the window does not
follow, or will jump to the current location of the pointer after a
couple seconds.  It's very annoying, because it's unpredictable as to
what it will do.
 
I started playing around with some of the demo files, so that users
would be able to confirm or deny my findings.
 
fbrowse:
    One click on the menu bar (click and release) allows moving of the
window, then clicking (and release) to drop the window in it's place.
It takes about 2 seconds to respond to this first click though (the
window stays in it's current location, then jumps to the pointer
location).  Clicking and holding seems to respond the same way.
 
wwwl:
    Same as above.
 
cursor:
    Click and hold, then drag only responds every other time.  (I.E., if
I do that procedure once, the window moves, a second time, it doesn't, a
third time it does, a forth time it doesn't.)
 
symbols:
    Click and hold, then drag does not work at all, but if you unclick,
the window then follows the cursor.
 
Has anyone experienced these problems and come up with a work around for
it?  I would prefer that it respond as Windows does, in that you have to
click and hold, then drag, then release to drop the window.  When we had
this GUI working on an old DEC Alpha workstation, it behaved in this
way.
 

Jason


From xyzzy at speakeasy.org  Tue Apr 19 15:48:37 2005
From: xyzzy at speakeasy.org (Trent Piepho)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:48:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [XForms] xforms Window Moving Problem
In-Reply-To: <BE12A2C28D407645B76E15220BAAD9CF751659@emss02m19.us.lmco.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.04.10504191246100.14543-100000@c-24-18-248-22.hsd1.wa.comcast.net>

On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Bentz, Jason wrote:
> I'm using xforms-1.0.90 installed on Red Hat Linux Enterprise 3.0, and
> have a GUI that was designed using xforms.  The problem I'm experiencing
> is when trying to move the window that the GUI is in, on the desktop.
> When I click & hold on the menu bar to move the window around the
> desktop, sometimes I move the mouse pointer, and the window does not
> follow, or will jump to the current location of the pointer after a
> couple seconds.  It's very annoying, because it's unpredictable as to
> what it will do.

This sounds like a function of the window manager, and not xforms.  Does this
only happen with xforms programs, or can you duplicate it with something else
like xclock or firefox?


From jason.bentz at lmco.com  Tue Apr 19 15:56:02 2005
From: jason.bentz at lmco.com (Bentz, Jason)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:56:02 -0500
Subject: [XForms] xforms Window Moving Problem
Message-ID: <BE12A2C28D407645B76E15220BAAD9CF754932@emss02m19.us.lmco.com>

Actually, I was just about to reply and let you all know that it appears
to be an Xwindows thing, not xforms.

If I use ktimer (accessories), I also get the strange behavior.  When
looking in Preferences>>Windows, I see the setting, hold-to-move window
(which is set to ALT).  There is no way to turn this off, at least with
the GUI interface.  A normal terminal window is able to be moved by just
clicking & holding the left mouse button, but to click & hold to move
the xforms windows (or ktimer), I must hold down ALT.

What I'm wondering, if there is a way to disable this hold-to-move
option in the Preferences>>Windows GUI setting?  Maybe there is a way to
manually edit a text file to remove this setting... 

Jason

-----Original Message-----
From: Trent Piepho [mailto:xyzzy at speakeasy.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 2:49 PM
To: Bentz, Jason
Cc: xforms at bob.usuhs.mil
Subject: Re: [XForms] xforms Window Moving Problem

On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Bentz, Jason wrote:
> I'm using xforms-1.0.90 installed on Red Hat Linux Enterprise 3.0, and

> have a GUI that was designed using xforms.  The problem I'm 
> experiencing is when trying to move the window that the GUI is in, on
the desktop.
> When I click & hold on the menu bar to move the window around the 
> desktop, sometimes I move the mouse pointer, and the window does not 
> follow, or will jump to the current location of the pointer after a 
> couple seconds.  It's very annoying, because it's unpredictable as to 
> what it will do.

This sounds like a function of the window manager, and not xforms.  Does
this only happen with xforms programs, or can you duplicate it with
something else like xclock or firefox?




From robert.lawless at ericsson.com  Tue May  3 09:59:39 2005
From: robert.lawless at ericsson.com (Robert Lawless (BH/LMI))
Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 15:59:39 +0200 
Subject: [XForms] Xml Schema instance generation using X-forms
Message-ID: <9B90FC9233F6E94493FF4FD8E0BA247DAAFE2E@eiedbnt502>

Hey folk,
i am quite new to X-Forms....i want to use X-Froms to present a UI to the user based on a certain Xml schema....i.e the user enters in data & out pops out an Xml instance according to this schema......would it be possible to make this generic i.e one would be able to attach any schema with X-Forms presenting a suitable UI & when the users inputs the data, out pops the Xml instance according to the inputted schema

thanks in advance 
Rob

From Todd.Denniston at ssa.crane.navy.mil  Tue May  3 11:19:02 2005
From: Todd.Denniston at ssa.crane.navy.mil (Todd Denniston)
Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 10:19:02 -0500
Subject: [XForms] Xml Schema instance generation using X-forms
References: <9B90FC9233F6E94493FF4FD8E0BA247DAAFE2E@eiedbnt502>
Message-ID: <42779666.B20F0051@ssa.crane.navy.mil>

"Robert Lawless (BH/LMI)" wrote:
> 
> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> Hey folk,
> i am quite new to X-Forms....i want to use X-Froms to present a UI to the user based on a certain Xml schema....i.e the user enters in data & out pops out an Xml instance according to this schema......would it be possible to make this generic i.e one would be able to attach any schema with X-Forms presenting a suitable UI & when the users inputs the data, out pops the Xml instance according to the inputted schema
> 
> thanks in advance
> Rob

Rob, lets first make sure you are asking in the correct group, as there has
been some confusion in the past.
To us XForms is described at [1] as:
"XForms is a GUI toolkit based on Xlib for X Window Systems. It features a
rich set of objects, such as buttons, scrollbars, and menus etc. integrated
into an easy and efficient object/event callback execution model that allows
fast and easy construction of X-applications. In addition, the library is
extensible and new objects can easily be created and added to the library."

To the W3C, XForms is described at [2] as:
"XForms" is W3C's name for a specification of Web forms that can be used
with a wide variety of platforms including desktop computers, hand helds,
information appliances, and even paper. XForms started life as a subgroup of
the HTML Working Group, but has now been spun off as an independent
Activity.

IIRC, the GUI toolkit definition predates the W3C definition, but they use
it so we get the confusion.

So, do you want to do a X Windows System GUI, or a Web form? :)
if GUI, please ask again here (with some ideas of how you want to use the
Xml schema in XForms) otherwise see the links on [2] under the heading "The
XForms Public Mailing List" (funny, the W3C does not have a nice page with
links to the subsections of its home page :).

[1] http://world.std.com/~xforms/
[2] http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/

-- 
Todd Denniston
Crane Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC Crane) 
Harnessing the Power of Technology for the Warfighter

From lingzsweet at yahoo.com  Thu May 19 11:23:02 2005
From: lingzsweet at yahoo.com (Lings)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 08:23:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [XForms] DTD in Xforms
Message-ID: <20050519152303.65083.qmail@web21323.mail.yahoo.com>

Can I use DTD instead of XML Schema in XForms?


		
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From lingzsweet at yahoo.com  Thu May 19 11:32:27 2005
From: lingzsweet at yahoo.com (Lings)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 08:32:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [XForms] XForms User Interface
Message-ID: <20050519153227.94971.qmail@web21327.mail.yahoo.com>

Hallo, I'm very new in xforms. That's why I'm joining this mailing list.
What I want to ask is :
Is ist possible to use another file (xml file) to specifying the input control in my form?
i.e  template.xml
 
<quality_form>
     <text_field>
         <name/>
         <value/>
     </text_field>
     <checkbox>
         <name/>
         <value/>
     </checkbox>
     <text_area>
         <name/>
         <value/>
     </text_area>
</quality_form>

 
This xml file will "tell" my xforms page to contain 1 text field, 1 check box and 1 text area in the user interface section. With name (as label) and value are specified in the xforms page. This form also generated another xml file that will save the data..

template.xml >> xforms >> data.xml
 
So, can XForms handle this? or should I use other application to support xforms? Or maybe any other solutions?

		
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From tompoe at amihost.com  Fri May 27 19:16:45 2005
From: tompoe at amihost.com (tom poe)
Date: 27 May 2005 16:16:45 -0700
Subject: [XForms] what is the correct URL for download?
Message-ID: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>

ftp://ncmir.ucsd.edu/pub/xforms/linux-i386
doesn't let me download xforms for i386 linux.  I copied the above URL
from the mirror page
http://world.std.com/~xforms/ftp/ftp.html
Thanks,
Tom



From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Sun May 29 09:17:34 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 14:17:34 +0100
Subject: [XForms] what is the correct URL for download?
In-Reply-To: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Saturday 28 May 2005 00:16, tom poe wrote:
> To subscribers of the xforms list
>
>
> ftp://ncmir.ucsd.edu/pub/xforms/linux-i386
> doesn't let me download xforms for i386 linux.  I copied the above
> URL from the mirror page
> http://world.std.com/~xforms/ftp/ftp.html
> Thanks,
> Tom

http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms/

Angus

From jac4 at mindless.com  Wed Jul  6 16:11:22 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 20:11:22 -0000
Subject: [XForms] xforms mailing list
Message-ID: <20050706201121.3269DCDA8F@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

The archive is here, right...?

http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms/

I've been getting 403 forbidden errors there. Where is the archive now?



----- Original Message -----
From: "Angus Leeming" <angus.leeming at btopenworld.com>
To: xforms at bob.usuhs.mil
Subject: Re: [XForms] what is the correct URL for download?
Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 14:17:34 +0100

> 
> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> 
> On Saturday 28 May 2005 00:16, tom poe wrote:
> > To subscribers of the xforms list
> >
> >
> > ftp://ncmir.ucsd.edu/pub/xforms/linux-i386
> > doesn't let me download xforms for i386 linux.  I copied the above
> > URL from the mirror page
> > http://world.std.com/~xforms/ftp/ftp.html
> > Thanks,
> > Tom
> 
> http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms/
> 
> Angus
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see:
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms




From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Wed Jul 20 04:50:25 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 08:50:25 -0000
Subject: [XForms] Re: xforms mailing list
In-Reply-To: <20050706201121.3269DCDA8F@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20050706201121.3269DCDA8F@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <200507200950.09269.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Wednesday 06 July 2005 21:11, jason cipriani wrote:
> The archive is here, right...?
>
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms/
>
> I've been getting 403 forbidden errors there. Where is the archive
> now?

Looks like we have a problem. Bob?

Old archives:
http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/

Angus




From maili at heisch.inka.de  Fri Aug 19 05:08:15 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:08:15 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
Message-ID: <20050819110815.07b6b561@emig4.heisch.inka.de>

To subscribers of the xforms list

Hello

I am using xforms-1.0.90 and have a problem with the input object:
while editing, cursor moves two positions at a single keystroke (cursor
left).

Behaviour seems to be a bug in the library, but I'm not sure.

Is there any workaround you know ?


Thanks for any answers,

Gerald


From bob at bob.usuhs.mil  Fri Aug 26 11:18:18 2005
From: bob at bob.usuhs.mil (Robert Williams)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:18:18 -0400
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Message-ID: <430F32BA.3020607@bob.usuhs.mil>

Dear list,

The list went down just prior to my going on vacation.
I had move to a new machine and new version of OS
and mailman.   Sorry about that.
It should be working well now.  

Best Wishes,
Bob Williams
XForms list administrator



From jac4 at mindless.com  Mon Aug 29 21:38:26 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:38:26 -0500
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Message-ID: <20050830013826.F1D70CDA00@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

The list was actually down since at least July 6th (nearly 7 weeks), unless there was a period of uptime in the middle. Although I was apparently the last person ever to post to this list before it came back up, it seems... I received the post I made 7 weeks ago just a few days ago. 403 Forbidden errors, originally, if I'm not mistaken.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Williams" <bob at bob.usuhs.mil>
To: xforms at bob.usuhs.mil
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:18:18 -0400

> 
> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> Dear list,
> 
> The list went down just prior to my going on vacation.
> I had move to a new machine and new version of OS
> and mailman.   Sorry about that.
> It should be working well now.  Best Wishes,
> Bob Williams
> XForms list administrator
> 
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms




From jac4 at mindless.com  Mon Aug 29 21:39:50 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:39:50 -0500
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Message-ID: <20050830013950.2F069CD9FE@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

Oh, I'm sorry, the 403 errors were for archive access. Which reminds me... what is the correct URL of the xforms mailing list archives now?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Williams" <bob at bob.usuhs.mil>
To: xforms at bob.usuhs.mil
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:18:18 -0400

> 
> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> Dear list,
> 
> The list went down just prior to my going on vacation.
> I had move to a new machine and new version of OS
> and mailman.   Sorry about that.
> It should be working well now.  Best Wishes,
> Bob Williams
> XForms list administrator
> 
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms




From bob at bob.usuhs.mil  Tue Aug 30 08:24:39 2005
From: bob at bob.usuhs.mil (Robert Williams)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 08:24:39 -0400
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
In-Reply-To: <20050830013950.2F069CD9FE@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20050830013950.2F069CD9FE@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <43145007.2080103@bob.usuhs.mil>

Dear Jason and list,

The archive access was also broken, I don't know when.
This is now restored, thanks to Jason for seeing this.
The correct URLs are as they were, listed below,
unless I'm missing something else.   The server should be
stable now for the next few years.

Bob,
XForms list admin

jason cipriani wrote:

>To subscribers of the xforms list
>
>Oh, I'm sorry, the 403 errors were for archive access. Which reminds me... what is the correct URL of the xforms mailing list archives now?
>  
>
>_______________________________________________
>To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
>xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
>http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
>XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
>List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
>http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
>Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms
>
>  
>



From maili at heisch.inka.de  Wed Aug 31 00:55:55 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 06:55:55 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
Message-ID: <20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>

To subscribers of the xforms list

Hello

I am using xforms-1.0.90 and have a problem with the input object:
while editing, cursor moves two positions at a single keystroke (cursor
left).

Behaviour seems to be a bug in the library, but I'm not sure.

Is there any workaround you know ?


Thanks for any answers,

Gerald


From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Wed Aug 31 04:55:42 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:55:42 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de> (Gerald Emig's
	message of "Wed, 31 Aug 2005 06:55:55 +0200")
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
Message-ID: <liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:

Gerald> To subscribers of the xforms list To subscribers of the xforms
Gerald> list

Gerald> Hello

Gerald> I am using xforms-1.0.90 and have a problem with the input
Gerald> object: while editing, cursor moves two positions at a single
Gerald> keystroke (cursor left).

Gerald> Behaviour seems to be a bug in the library, but I'm not sure.

Gerald> Is there any workaround you know ?

I do not know that problem. Could you give more details about your
settings?

JMarc


From maili at heisch.inka.de  Wed Aug 31 06:41:29 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:41:29 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
Message-ID: <20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de>



On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:55:42 +0200
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr> wrote:

> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> >>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:
> 
> Gerald> To subscribers of the xforms list To subscribers of the xforms
> Gerald> list
> 
> Gerald> Hello
> 
> Gerald> I am using xforms-1.0.90 and have a problem with the input
> Gerald> object: while editing, cursor moves two positions at a single
> Gerald> keystroke (cursor left).
> 
> Gerald> Behaviour seems to be a bug in the library, but I'm not sure.
> 
> Gerald> Is there any workaround you know ?
> 
> I do not know that problem. Could you give more details about your
> settings?

I use Suse Linux 9.1
I see this double jumping of the cursor in the input object I place on a
form as well as in the attributes dialogue of fdesign.
In a multiline input, hitting return produces two new lines...

Observation: ^b moves left correctly, Cursor Left not.



> 
> JMarc
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms


From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Wed Aug 31 07:43:02 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:43:02 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de> (Gerald Emig's
	message of "Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:41:29 +0200")
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
Message-ID: <liyzmqys56h.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:

Gerald> I use Suse Linux 9.1 I see this double jumping of the cursor
Gerald> in the input object I place on a form as well as in the
Gerald> attributes dialogue of fdesign. In a multiline input, hitting
Gerald> return produces two new lines...

Gerald> Observation: ^b moves left correctly, Cursor Left not.

Did you compile by yourself, or was xforms 1.0.90 bundled by suse?
They apply a big extra patch to xforms to support CJK
(chinese-japanese-korean) input, it this patch is probably not
perfect... 

You could try to report this bug to suse directly, or to build your
own xforms 1.0.90 to see whether it helps.

JMarc


From maili at heisch.inka.de  Wed Aug 31 08:13:13 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:13:13 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <liyzmqys56h.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyzmqys56h.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
Message-ID: <20050831141313.04d318ee@emig4.heisch.inka.de>

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:43:02 +0200
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr> wrote:

> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> >>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:
> 
> Gerald> I use Suse Linux 9.1 I see this double jumping of the cursor
> Gerald> in the input object I place on a form as well as in the
> Gerald> attributes dialogue of fdesign. In a multiline input, hitting
> Gerald> return produces two new lines...
> 
> Gerald> Observation: ^b moves left correctly, Cursor Left not.
> 
> Did you compile by yourself, or was xforms 1.0.90 bundled by suse?
> They apply a big extra patch to xforms to support CJK
> (chinese-japanese-korean) input, it this patch is probably not
> perfect... 

Thank you very much for the hint.

I use the Suse package, but I'll try to compile xforms myself as soon as
possible with suse 9.1 (I do not want to break my working environment
at the moment).

In the meanwhile I tried xforms under the recent suse 9.3.
First of all I had to compile the library myself because they do not
support it anymore (at least it seems so).
But with this self compiled lib all works great.


Thank you

Gerald 

> 
> You could try to report this bug to suse directly, or to build your
> own xforms 1.0.90 to see whether it helps.
> 
> JMarc
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From maili at heisch.inka.de  Sat Sep  3 12:20:52 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 18:20:52 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <20050831141313.04d318ee@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyzmqys56h.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<20050831141313.04d318ee@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
Message-ID: <20050903182052.6f9902c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>


Hello all,

I compiled xforms myself and this solved the problem.
Thanks for your help.

Gerald


On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:13:13 +0200
Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> wrote:

> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:43:02 +0200
> Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr> wrote:
> 
> > To subscribers of the xforms list
> > 
> > >>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:
> > 
> > Gerald> I use Suse Linux 9.1 I see this double jumping of the cursor
> > Gerald> in the input object I place on a form as well as in the
> > Gerald> attributes dialogue of fdesign. In a multiline input,
> > hitting Gerald> return produces two new lines...
> > 
> > Gerald> Observation: ^b moves left correctly, Cursor Left not.
> > 
> > Did you compile by yourself, or was xforms 1.0.90 bundled by suse?
> > They apply a big extra patch to xforms to support CJK
> > (chinese-japanese-korean) input, it this patch is probably not
> > perfect... 
> 
> Thank you very much for the hint.
> 
> I use the Suse package, but I'll try to compile xforms myself as soon
> as possible with suse 9.1 (I do not want to break my working
> environment at the moment).
> 
> In the meanwhile I tried xforms under the recent suse 9.3.
> First of all I had to compile the library myself because they do not
> support it anymore (at least it seems so).
> But with this self compiled lib all works great.
> 
> 
> Thank you
> 
> Gerald 
> 
> > 
> > You could try to report this bug to suse directly, or to build your
> > own xforms 1.0.90 to see whether it helps.
> > 
> > JMarc
> > _______________________________________________
> > To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> > xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> > http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> > XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> > List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> > http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> > Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms
> _______________________________________________
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From carsten.voss at rmit.edu.au  Mon Oct 10 03:21:34 2005
From: carsten.voss at rmit.edu.au (Carsten Voss)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:21:34 +1000
Subject: [XForms] xforms and glibc 2.3, newer verson available?
Message-ID: <s34aa33f.045@its-gw-inet57.its.rmit.edu.au>

Hi Folks,

I cannot seem to find a source download or an Linux RPM of xforms that will work on glibc2.3?
Any advice most welcome. Thanks.

I have installed version  xforms-0.89-3 which I believe is intended for glibc2.1. Unfortunitely I try and compile wulffman (which uses xforms) I receive referencing errors from libforms.a.

best regards,
Carsten Voss




From dadembro at rockwellcollins.com  Mon Oct 10 10:05:06 2005
From: dadembro at rockwellcollins.com (dadembro at rockwellcollins.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:05:06 -0400
Subject: [XForms] xforms and glibc 2.3, newer verson available?
In-Reply-To: <s34aa33f.045@its-gw-inet57.its.rmit.edu.au>
Message-ID: <OF25AB0DAF.0401B0BB-ON85257096.004CE817-85257096.004D5EFD@rockwellcollins.com>

Carsten,

For the latest source try:
      http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms

Slainte,
---d.dembrow



                                                                           
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To subscribers of the xforms list

Hi Folks,

I cannot seem to find a source download or an Linux RPM of xforms that will
work on glibc2.3?
Any advice most welcome. Thanks.

I have installed version  xforms-0.89-3 which I believe is intended for
glibc2.1. Unfortunitely I try and compile wulffman (which uses xforms) I
receive referencing errors from libforms.a.

best regards,
Carsten Voss


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From GalbraithP at dfo-mpo.gc.ca  Tue Oct 11 10:54:01 2005
From: GalbraithP at dfo-mpo.gc.ca (Peter Galbraith)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:54:01 -0400
Subject: [XForms] xforms and glibc 2.3, newer verson available? 
In-Reply-To: Message from <dadembro@rockwellcollins.com> of "Mon,
	10 Oct 2005 10:05:06 EDT."
	<OF25AB0DAF.0401B0BB-ON85257096.004CE817-85257096.004D5EFD@rockwellcollins.com>
References: <OF25AB0DAF.0401B0BB-ON85257096.004CE817-85257096.004D5EFD@rockwellcollins.com>
Message-ID: <20051011145401.00A1E10A74A@mixing.qc.dfo.ca>

<dadembro at rockwellcollins.com> wrote:

> For the latest source try:
>       http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms

Debian is still using the stable release 1.0

Given that 1.0.90 has been a candidate for over one year without
apparent problems, would I update Debian with that?

Thanks,

Peter


From gnushi at gmx.net  Sat Oct 22 11:18:59 2005
From: gnushi at gmx.net (Gnu Shi)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 17:18:59 +0200
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
Message-ID: <1129994339.7002.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>


Hi!

It is a bit hard to find this list. There seems no advertisment at
http://savannah.nongnu.org/mail/?group=xforms

Are you still working on XForms?

GnuShi


-- 



From jac4 at mindless.com  Sat Oct 22 14:25:41 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 13:25:41 -0500
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
Message-ID: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

> Hi!
> 
> It is a bit hard to find this list. There seems no advertisment at
> http://savannah.nongnu.org/mail/?group=xforms
> 
> Are you still working on XForms?
> 
> GnuShi

I have been wondering the same thing. There has not been an update in quite 
some time. A while ago, there was a flurry of patches and activity but a new 
official release never came out.

Speaking of which, if you're looking for a new maintainer or some help... 
*cough* *cough*. Although it's been some time since I personally dug into the 
code at all, but I can definitely think of a few improvements here and there. 
In any case if you guys are planning on another official release any time 
soon I do have some things here and there I'd like to fix that I can submit 
patches for. XForms seems to be getting a bit old and dusty.

Jason

> 
> 
> --
> 
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see:
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms




From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Mon Oct 24 08:54:12 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:54:12 +0200
Subject: [XForms] xforms and glibc 2.3, newer verson available?
In-Reply-To: <20051011145401.00A1E10A74A@mixing.qc.dfo.ca> (Peter Galbraith's
	message of "Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:54:01 -0400")
References: <OF25AB0DAF.0401B0BB-ON85257096.004CE817-85257096.004D5EFD@rockwellcollins.com>
	<20051011145401.00A1E10A74A@mixing.qc.dfo.ca>
Message-ID: <liyk6g313ez.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Peter" == Peter Galbraith <GalbraithP at dfo-mpo.gc.ca> writes:

Peter> To subscribers of the xforms list
Peter> <dadembro at rockwellcollins.com> wrote:

>> For the latest source try:
>> http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms

Peter> Debian is still using the stable release 1.0

Peter> Given that 1.0.90 has been a candidate for over one year
Peter> without apparent problems, would I update Debian with that?

Yes, I think you should.

JMarc


From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Mon Oct 24 09:03:23 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 15:03:23 +0200
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
In-Reply-To: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> (jason
	cipriani's message of "Sat, 22 Oct 2005 13:25:41 -0500")
References: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <liyirvn12zo.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "jason" == jason cipriani <jac4 at mindless.com> writes:

jason> I have been wondering the same thing. There has not been an
jason> update in quite some time. A while ago, there was a flurry of
jason> patches and activity but a new official release never came out.

The sad truth is that nothing is happening. We should have released
xforms 1.1 ages ago and there is no sign that this is going to
happen... 

jason> Speaking of which, if you're looking for a new maintainer or
jason> some help... *cough* *cough*. Although it's been some time
jason> since I personally dug into the code at all, but I can
jason> definitely think of a few improvements here and there. 

It might be a good solution indeed, although I can't speak for Angus.

jason> In any case if you guys are planning on another official
jason> release any time soon I do have some things here and there I'd
jason> like to fix that I can submit patches for.

I can't speak for Angus, but personally I'd like at least to release a
1.1 version with what we have now (plus the fl_set_locale() patch that
I never got around to apply). What do you have in store?

jason> XForms seems to be getting a bit old and dusty.

Sure.

JMarc


From Gayle.C.Roth at nasa.gov  Mon Oct 24 09:55:27 2005
From: Gayle.C.Roth at nasa.gov (Gayle C Roth)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 09:55:27 -0400
Subject: [XForms] xforms on VMS
Message-ID: <5.1.1.5.2.20051024094416.0100b8f0@popserve.grc.nasa.gov>

Hi,

I'm using a version of xforms I built on a VMS 7.3-2 system.  The 
application I'm building necessitates the use of a hibernate/wake mechanism 
(the program I'm working with calls the VMS system service 
sys$hiber).  I've found that, at least initially, a single call to 
sys$hiber is not enough -- it takes 2 calls to sys$hiber before the program 
actually hibernates.  I further discovered that this is because xforms is 
somehow setting the "wake-pending" bit.  Does anyone have an idea why and 
where xforms is setting this bit, and how I can keep it from happening?

Thanks,
Gayle




From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Tue Oct 25 05:18:53 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:18:53 +0100
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
In-Reply-To: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <200510251018.53224.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Saturday 22 October 2005 19:25, jason cipriani wrote:
> > It is a bit hard to find this list. There seems no advertisment at
> > http://savannah.nongnu.org/mail/?group=xforms

Patches are always welcome. Personally, I've no real html skills.

> > Are you still working on XForms?

Not really :)

> > GnuShi
>
> I have been wondering the same thing. There has not been an update in quite
> some time. A while ago, there was a flurry of patches and activity but a
> new official release never came out.

I got stuck trying to resolve what I believe is a major flaw. However, I 
eventually gave up because I do't have the X11 skills to fix the problem 
correctly. Tha's a shame, because the flaw is actually just a kludge in one 
small piece of code; someone with the right skills could probably fix it in a 
day.

> Speaking of which, if you're looking for a new maintainer or some help...
> *cough* *cough*. Although it's been some time since I personally dug into
> the code at all, but I can definitely think of a few improvements here and
> there. In any case if you guys are planning on another official release any
> time soon I do have some things here and there I'd like to fix that I can
> submit patches for. XForms seems to be getting a bit old and dusty.

Great! I think I'm going to grab your offer with both hands. My XForms days 
are very limited I'm afraid as I'm soon going to be empoyed by a company that 
actively prohibits GPL software development. OK, XForms is LGPL-licenced, 
but...

Please set up a savannah account if you don't have one already and mail me the 
details. I'll add you to the project's list of administrators.

Angus


From jac4 at mindless.com  Thu Oct 27 12:04:16 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:04:16 -0500
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
Message-ID: <20051027160418.E30DBCDA09@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

> I got stuck trying to resolve what I believe is a major flaw. However, I
> eventually gave up because I do't have the X11 skills to fix the problem
> correctly. Tha's a shame, because the flaw is actually just a kludge in one
> small piece of code; someone with the right skills could probably fix it in a
> day.

What is the flaw?

> Great! I think I'm going to grab your offer with both hands. My XForms days
> are very limited I'm afraid as I'm soon going to be empoyed by a company that
> actively prohibits GPL software development. OK, XForms is LGPL-licenced,
> but...
> 
> Please set up a savannah account if you don't have one already and mail me the
> details. I'll add you to the project's list of administrators.

Honestly, I didn't expect my offer to be met with such enthusiasm ;) I have a side project that I'm working on right now which will be finished around mid-December. Once that is over with, I will set up a Savannah account and give you the details. In the mean time, I'll put together all the changes I've made. They're all relatively minor, mostly fdesign related. After this project clears up then I'll have the time to start working on XForms more actively. I'll get back to you soon.

Jason




From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Thu Oct 27 12:19:02 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:19:02 +0100
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
In-Reply-To: <20051027160418.E30DBCDA09@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20051027160418.E30DBCDA09@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <200510271719.02876.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Thursday 27 October 2005 17:04, jason cipriani wrote:
> > I got stuck trying to resolve what I believe is a major flaw. However, I
> > eventually gave up because I do't have the X11 skills to fix the problem
> > correctly. Tha's a shame, because the flaw is actually just a kludge in
> > one small piece of code; someone with the right skills could probably fix
> > it in a day.
>
> What is the flaw?

In forms.c:

#if 1
    /* this is an ugly hack. This is necessary due to popup pointer grab
       where a button release is eaten. Really should do a send event from
       the pop-up routines */

    if (fl_pushobj && !button_down(fl_keymask) /* && event == FL_ENTER */ )
    {
	obj = fl_pushobj;
	fl_pushobj = NULL;
	fl_handle_object(obj, FL_RELEASE, xx, yy, key, xev);
    }
#endif

It has unpleasant consequences all over the place.

> Honestly, I didn't expect my offer to be met with such enthusiasm ;) I have
> a side project that I'm working on right now which will be finished around
> mid-December. Once that is over with, I will set up a Savannah account and
> give you the details. In the mean time, I'll put together all the changes
> I've made. They're all relatively minor, mostly fdesign related. After this
> project clears up then I'll have the time to start working on XForms more
> actively. I'll get back to you soon.

Great!
Angus


From s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk  Mon Dec  5 10:12:20 2005
From: s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk (Sheila R. Bryant)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:12:20 +0000
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Solaris
Message-ID: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>

Hi everyone,

I'm trying to build xforms-1.0.90 on a Solaris 9 machine. I'm using 
gcc-3.2.2 to compile, and

./configure --prefix=/opt/tools --enable-demos --enable-warnings \
             --disable-gl

The problem comes when the demos are being built, ibrowser will not 
link, and I get

gcc -g -O -Wall -o .libs/ibrowser ibrowser.o  -L/usr/openwin/lib 
-L/opt/graphics/lib -L/opt/GNU/gcc-3.2.2/lib -L/opt/GNU/lib 
../image/.libs/libflimage.so ../lib/.libs/libforms.so -lSM -lICE 
/opt/graphics/lib/libjpeg.so -lXpm -lX11 -lsocket -lnsl -lc -lm 
-R/opt/tools/lib -R/opt/graphics/lib -R/usr/openwin/lib 
-R/opt/GNU/gcc-3.2.2/lib -R/opt/GNU/lib
Undefined                       first referenced
  symbol                             in file
.LLC90                              ../image/.libs/libflimage.so
ld: fatal: Symbol referencing errors. No output written to .libs/ibrowser
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
gmake[2]: *** [ibrowser] Error 1
gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/home/opt-user/download/xforms-1.0.90/demos'
gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/home/opt-user/download/xforms-1.0.90/demos'
gmake: *** [all-recursive] Error 1


This is a completely new one to me, and Google is not throwing up 
anything helpful. Does anyone have any ideas on what I might try? My aim 
is to get Lyx up and running, but until I can solve (or sidestep) this 
problem, I'm stuck.

Many thanks
-- 

Sheila
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dr. Sheila Bryant                        Software Applications Support
Email: S.R.Bryant at reading.ac.uk          Dept. of Meteorology,
Phone: 0118 378 6395                     University of Reading,

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From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Mon Dec  5 10:23:50 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:23:50 +0000
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Solaris
In-Reply-To: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <200512051523.50227.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Monday 05 December 2005 15:12, Sheila R. Bryant wrote:
> This is a completely new one to me, and Google is not throwing up
> anything helpful. Does anyone have any ideas on what I might try? My aim
> is to get Lyx up and running, but until I can solve (or sidestep) this
> problem, I'm stuck.

Hi, Sheila. I've never seen this bug before, but if you want to compile XForms 
only to get LyX up and running, you don't really need the demos ;-)

Angus


From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Mon Dec  5 10:26:53 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:26:53 +0100
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Solaris
In-Reply-To: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk> (Sheila R. Bryant's message of
	"Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:12:20 +0000")
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Sheila" == Sheila R Bryant <s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk> writes:

Sheila> This is a completely new one to me, and Google is not throwing
Sheila> up anything helpful. Does anyone have any ideas on what I
Sheila> might try? My aim is to get Lyx up and running, but until I
Sheila> can solve (or sidestep) this problem, I'm stuck.

This is indeed weird, never heard of that.

But if you do not build the demos, everything is right, isn't it?

JMarc

PS: of course, you can also use the qt version of LyX, but I should
not say that here :)


From s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk  Mon Dec  5 10:43:06 2005
From: s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk (Sheila R. Bryant)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:43:06 +0000
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Solaris
In-Reply-To: <liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
	<liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
Message-ID: <4394600A.9040809@reading.ac.uk>

Hi JMarc,

Well, if I don't build the demos, xforms claims to build OK, but when I 
try to build LyX I get this problem come up. All the demos that build 
seem to run OK - assorted boxes, buttons, forms etc come up and go away 
in a controlled manner.

Where LyX falls down is in a test to find flimage_dup; I can reproduce 
the error with a test.c

char flimage_dup ();
int
main ()
{
flimage_dup ();
   ;
   return 0;
}

compiled with

gcc -o test test.c -L/opt/tools/lib -lflimage -ljpeg -lforms -lXpm

Hope that sheds some more light

Cheers

Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
>>>>>>"Sheila" == Sheila R Bryant <s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk> writes:
> 
> 
> Sheila> This is a completely new one to me, and Google is not throwing
> Sheila> up anything helpful. Does anyone have any ideas on what I
> Sheila> might try? My aim is to get Lyx up and running, but until I
> Sheila> can solve (or sidestep) this problem, I'm stuck.
> 
> This is indeed weird, never heard of that.
> 
> But if you do not build the demos, everything is right, isn't it?
> 
> JMarc
> 
> PS: of course, you can also use the qt version of LyX, but I should
> not say that here :)

-- 

Sheila
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Dr. Sheila Bryant                        Software Applications Support
Email: S.R.Bryant at reading.ac.uk          Dept. of Meteorology,
Phone: 0118 378 6395                     University of Reading,

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From mcrespo at ictp.trieste.it  Wed Dec  7 05:52:33 2005
From: mcrespo at ictp.trieste.it (CRESPO MARIA LIZ)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:52:33 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Windows
In-Reply-To: <liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
	<liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512071145360.31165@ssh-2>


what about building Xforms on Windows? Could someone tell me something 
about it?
Thank you.
Regards,
Maria Liz


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From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Wed Dec  7 06:27:09 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 12:27:09 +0100
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Windows
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512071145360.31165@ssh-2> (CRESPO MARIA LIZ's
	message of "Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:52:33 +0100 (CET)")
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
	<liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0512071145360.31165@ssh-2>
Message-ID: <liy8xuxywoi.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "CRESPO" == CRESPO MARIA LIZ <mcrespo at ictp.trieste.it> writes:

CRESPO> To subscribers of the xforms list what about building Xforms
CRESPO> on Windows? Could someone tell me something about it? 

You need cygwin and an X server. Other than that, it is supposed to
work with the latest 1.0.90 version. I'd be interested to know whether
it really works, though.

In might even work with mingw, I do not actually know.

JMarc


From christof.hoeke at e-7.com  Tue Feb  8 05:35:57 2005
From: christof.hoeke at e-7.com (christof.hoeke at e-7.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:35:57 +0100
Subject: [XForms] Xforms or XHTML 1.0 Forms Module
Message-ID: <96849388D2102F40AEF198798540F2E1E6B8E2@gt1mail1.gt.da-ag.local>

Hi,
A question regarding which forms dialect to choose as a basis for a web application processing framework.

Background
We developed a custom XML format to be used to describe and process (web) forms which itself is part of a custom XML format basically describing (web) pages and a processing/workflow part.
For the frontend it is transformed via XSLT to HTML/CSS to target desktop browsers (may later also be PDA or whatever). So the format has to include enough information for a semantically sufficient processing in it (accessibility is an issue). The layout information is in the enclosing format.
For the backend the same format is used for a kind of basic workflow and of course the processing of the input data (delegation to other applications, storing, validation etc).

For the next version currently in development the format needs to be changed anyway (not the best yet as it is more or less a pure layout format yet and not even complete regarding all form possibilities [grouping of option elements etc]). 
So we thought of using a standard format for the forms part of the format (which currently cannot be changed as a whole as it is also used for CMS generated static pages and which should not be needed anyway if just adding forms as a module). 

Anyway, we looked into Xforms (XTHML 2.0 forms) but wondered if they bring enough advantages compared to the second option, using simply XHTML 1.0 Forms.

Xforms:
- new format, needs to be learned and implemented, higher learning curve+ new standard and therefore possibly more futureproove format
- for basic layout information maybe label needing to be child of input (is this actually mandatory?) cannot easily be transformed to the HTML <label for="ID"> <input id="ID"> possibility
+ includes validation and separation of model and view
... Lots more of course

XHTML 1.0 Forms:
+ lots of experience, known format and fairly simple, easy to use
+ of course includes all elements we need for a transformation to HTML (fieldset/legend, input+label, @accesskey, @tabindex etc)
- validation/data-types and other stuff needs to be added with custom or Xforms parts
...

Maybe we don't yet understand Xforms right, but at the moment we tend to use XHTML 1.0 forms for the following reasons/questions, maybe anyone can share his opinions?
* can Xforms describe *all* possible HTML form elements without the need to add custom extensions? 
	* above <label for="ID"> <input id="ID"> example which seems difficult in XForms
	* fieldset/legend elements, select/optgroup/option elements etc
* submitting XML from the browser does not work yet so this part of Xforms would have to be committed anyway
* new widgets (range widget) cannot be used on browsers yet either
* workload to integrate Xforms compared to XHTML 1.0 forms seems much higher 
* later migration to xforms should not be too difficult

Any opinions would be great, thanks a lot 
chris



From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Tue Feb  8 06:55:01 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 12:55:01 +0100
Subject: [XForms] Xforms or XHTML 1.0 Forms Module
In-Reply-To: <96849388D2102F40AEF198798540F2E1E6B8E2@gt1mail1.gt.da-ag.local>
	(christof hoeke's message of "Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:35:57 +0100")
References: <96849388D2102F40AEF198798540F2E1E6B8E2@gt1mail1.gt.da-ag.local>
Message-ID: <liyy8dznu5m.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Christof" ==   <christof.hoeke at e-7.com> writes:

Christof> Hi, A question regarding which forms dialect to choose as a
Christof> basis for a web application processing framework.

Hello, you found the wrong xforms list. This list is for discussing
the old and venerable xforms GUI toolkit, not the new and exciting
XForms w3c standard (or whatever) :)

JMarc

From psg at debian.org  Tue Feb  8 09:22:41 2005
From: psg at debian.org (Peter S Galbraith)
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:22:41 -0500
Subject: [XForms] Re: XForms: Documentation 
In-Reply-To: Message from "T.C. Zhao" <tc_zhao@yahoo.com> 
	<20030908154838.51918.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com> 
References: <20030908154838.51918.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com> 
Message-ID: <20050208142241.8683AAB07E@mixing.qc.dfo.ca>

On Sept 8th 2003, T.C. Zhao <tc_zhao at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Sorry for the delay and thanks for the info. GPL it is.
> 
> I am currently travelling and will be back home end of September. Expect the
> free manual in October sometime.
> 
> -TC
> --- Peter S Galbraith <psg at debian.org> wrote:
> > To subscribers of the xforms list
> > 
> > 
> > T.C. Zhao <tc_zhao at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > All I need to do is boot up my old linux box and recover the doc
> > > and send it.  Will do this sometime in April (I've been travelling,
> > > and am sending this email from Tokyo).
> > > -TC
> > 
> > Hi T.C.,
> > 
> > I really hate to keep nagging you like this.  :-)
> > 
> > You meant to release the sources of the XForms manual last April but
> > never got around to it.  This is a reminder.  Also, please avoid using
> > the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) since it not a free software
> > license and therefore cannot be included in the Debian distribution.
> > Using the GPL would be fine.

Hello T.C.,

Consider this another nudge to release the sources of the XForms
manual.  On the plus side, I didn't nag you in 2004.  ;-)

Please consider taking some time to actually do this now, while the
sources still exist, and before you get hit by a bus or something and
they are gone forever.  The XForms sources have been free for a long
time now (Thanks!) and they really should have free documentation.

Thanks,
-- 
Peter S. Galbraith, Debian Developer          <psg at debian.org>
                                 http://people.debian.org/~psg
GPG key 1024/D2A913A1 - 97CE 866F F579 96EE  6E68 8170 35FF 799E

From msz at astrouw.edu.pl  Fri Mar 11 16:24:12 2005
From: msz at astrouw.edu.pl (Michal Szymanski)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:24:12 +0100
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
Message-ID: <20050311212412.GA13751@astrouw.edu.pl>

Hi,

I have a pretty complicated XForms application for controlling the
telscope. One of the object used is a "normal" (no selection) browser
for displaying messages to the user. I have noticed that the mouse wheel
(functioning, as reported by "xev", as Button 4 & 5) works mostly as
expected, i.e. scrolling the browser. Howerver, quite often, possibly
(although I am not sure) when the browser has many lines and I rotate
the wheel fast, the whole application crashes badly.

As such a crash is a very bad thing while the user is observing with the
telescope, I would like to disable the wheel, possibly only for that
browser (or my XForms application), as it worls fine in other
applications like xterm or mozilla. Is it doable?

regards, Michal. 

-- 
  Michal Szymanski (msz at astrouw dot edu dot pl)
  Warsaw University Observatory, Warszawa, POLAND

From jac4 at mindless.com  Sun Mar 13 01:21:04 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 01:21:04 -0500
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
Message-ID: <20050313062104.5B3C4CDA29@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

> As such a crash is a very bad thing while the user is observing with the
> telescope, I would like to disable the wheel, possibly only for that
> browser (or my XForms application), as it worls fine in other
> applications like xterm or mozilla. Is it doable?

I am not certain, but you may be able to do this with fl_set_object_prehandler(). You can set a prehandler for your browser and check to see if the xevent is a mouse wheel button event. If it is then return FL_PREEMPT from the prehandler, and that should prevent the event from reaching the browser.

Documentation is here:
http://www.public.iastate.edu/~xforms/node6.html#6888

It's weird that it crashes, though. When you say it only happens in browsers with a lot of items, how many items is "a lot"?

Jason


From xforms2 at vjet.demon.co.uk  Sun Mar 13 17:11:44 2005
From: xforms2 at vjet.demon.co.uk (Clive A Stubbings)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:11:44 GMT
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
Message-ID: <200503132211.j2DMBiQ3001137@vjet.demon.co.uk>

Michal Szymanski  said:

> Howerver, quite often, possibly
> (although I am not sure) when the browser has many lines and I rotate
> the wheel fast, the whole application crashes badly.

jason cipriani said:

> It's weird that it crashes, though. When you say it only happens in
> browsers with a lot of items, how many items is "a lot"?

I'm with Jason on this one. I'd bet its a code bug in your app.. I use
big browser lists and I had exactly the same symptom. I spent a while 
suspecting xforms too - but it was me ;-(

If it helps at all, in my case, the root cause was it was a callback
being called with no line selected in the browser. I didn't check,
and ended up dereferenced a wild pointer and core-dumped.

Cheers
Clive

From msz at astrouw.edu.pl  Sun Mar 13 23:27:16 2005
From: msz at astrouw.edu.pl (Michal Szymanski)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 05:27:16 +0100
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
In-Reply-To: <200503132211.j2DMBiQ3001137@vjet.demon.co.uk>
References: <200503132211.j2DMBiQ3001137@vjet.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20050314042716.GA17162@astrouw.edu.pl>

> > Howerver, quite often, possibly
> > (although I am not sure) when the browser has many lines and I rotate
> > the wheel fast, the whole application crashes badly.
> 
> jason cipriani said:
> 
> > It's weird that it crashes, though. When you say it only happens in
> > browsers with a lot of items, how many items is "a lot"?
> 
> I'm with Jason on this one. I'd bet its a code bug in your app.. I use
> big browser lists and I had exactly the same symptom. I spent a while 
> suspecting xforms too - but it was me ;-(
> 
> If it helps at all, in my case, the root cause was it was a callback
> being called with no line selected in the browser. I didn't check,
> and ended up dereferenced a wild pointer and core-dumped.

It well might be a code bug. As I said before, the crashes are random
and my guess to link them to the number of lines in the browser and/or
the speed of rotating the mice wheel may be wrong. Unfortunately it is a
kind of "production" application, controlling real hardware, so I cannot
make too many experiments.

"A lot of lines" may be several thousand. The browser gets the messages
from the telescope control system, I would estimate this to 1600-1800
lines per night and the program can run several weeks if everything is
going fine.

As for the "callback" suggestion: it is a FL_NORMAL_BROWSER, so AFAIK
there should be no interaction requiring callbacks. Just the scrolling.

I managed to disable mouse buttons 4 & 5 (wheel) for the browser using
"prehandler".

regards, Michal.

-- 
  Michal Szymanski (msz at astrouw dot edu dot pl)
  Warsaw University Observatory, Warszawa, POLAND

From jac4 at mindless.com  Mon Mar 14 00:16:20 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 00:16:20 -0500
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
Message-ID: <20050314051620.9FBD62000B@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

> It well might be a code bug. As I said before, the crashes are random
> and my guess to link them to the number of lines in the browser and/or
> the speed of rotating the mice wheel may be wrong. Unfortunately it is a
> kind of "production" application, controlling real hardware, so I cannot
> make too many experiments.
> 
> "A lot of lines" may be several thousand. The browser gets the messages
> from the telescope control system, I would estimate this to 1600-1800
> lines per night and the program can run several weeks if everything is
> going fine.

Not related to XForms, but here's a design hint: If your application crashes, and that's really bad, write another program that constantly watches your application to see if it crashes, and restarts it if it does. For example, a program that fork+exec's your program, then waitpid's for it to terminate. I also write software to control/automate a lot of hardware stuff, and I speak from many unpleasant experiences. ;( Not much worse than coming back to work on Monday only to find your software crashed sometime Saturday morning.

Alternatively, if you don't trust your toolkit, I might also recommend taking more of a client/server approach where your "server" is always controlling/logging telescope data and your "client" is a separate process that is just a GUI that you can monitor the server with. That way, if XForms hiccups, the GUI will crash but you won't lose any data/control.

Anyways I made a browser with 30000 lines in it just for grins and moved the wheel up and down for about 5 whole minutes with no problems, I'd look into other areas to find the problem. Disabling the mouse wheel may solve one of the symptoms but if it's a weird bug then you don't know what other problems may be going on behind the scenes.

Well, good luck with your application. Sounds interesting. :)


From dstrang at chartermi.net  Thu Apr  7 21:02:24 2005
From: dstrang at chartermi.net (David Strang)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 21:02:24 -0400
Subject: [XForms] CygWin and Xforms 1.0.2
Message-ID: <000e01c53bd6$a1543e20$6401a8c0@athlon24>

I have been trying to get this version of xforms fully functional under Cygwin 
and now is time for enabling the GL demos. Configure can't find the glx header
file even though GL is installed and  glx.h and other GL files seem to exist
inside the "C:\cygwin\usr\X11R6\include\GL" folder. 

Could this be a path issue? But why doesn't GL get searched but the rest of
the stuff does?

Doesn't configure know where the GL stuff exists?

Any help here is appreciated...it must be something I'm over looking.

Regards,
Dave Strang


From jason.bentz at lmco.com  Tue Apr 19 13:40:29 2005
From: jason.bentz at lmco.com (Bentz, Jason)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:40:29 -0500
Subject: [XForms] xforms Window Moving Problem
Message-ID: <BE12A2C28D407645B76E15220BAAD9CF751659@emss02m19.us.lmco.com>

I'm using xforms-1.0.90 installed on Red Hat Linux Enterprise 3.0, and
have a GUI that was designed using xforms.  The problem I'm experiencing
is when trying to move the window that the GUI is in, on the desktop.
When I click & hold on the menu bar to move the window around the
desktop, sometimes I move the mouse pointer, and the window does not
follow, or will jump to the current location of the pointer after a
couple seconds.  It's very annoying, because it's unpredictable as to
what it will do.
 
I started playing around with some of the demo files, so that users
would be able to confirm or deny my findings.
 
fbrowse:
    One click on the menu bar (click and release) allows moving of the
window, then clicking (and release) to drop the window in it's place.
It takes about 2 seconds to respond to this first click though (the
window stays in it's current location, then jumps to the pointer
location).  Clicking and holding seems to respond the same way.
 
wwwl:
    Same as above.
 
cursor:
    Click and hold, then drag only responds every other time.  (I.E., if
I do that procedure once, the window moves, a second time, it doesn't, a
third time it does, a forth time it doesn't.)
 
symbols:
    Click and hold, then drag does not work at all, but if you unclick,
the window then follows the cursor.
 
Has anyone experienced these problems and come up with a work around for
it?  I would prefer that it respond as Windows does, in that you have to
click and hold, then drag, then release to drop the window.  When we had
this GUI working on an old DEC Alpha workstation, it behaved in this
way.
 

Jason


From xyzzy at speakeasy.org  Tue Apr 19 15:48:37 2005
From: xyzzy at speakeasy.org (Trent Piepho)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:48:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [XForms] xforms Window Moving Problem
In-Reply-To: <BE12A2C28D407645B76E15220BAAD9CF751659@emss02m19.us.lmco.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.04.10504191246100.14543-100000@c-24-18-248-22.hsd1.wa.comcast.net>

On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Bentz, Jason wrote:
> I'm using xforms-1.0.90 installed on Red Hat Linux Enterprise 3.0, and
> have a GUI that was designed using xforms.  The problem I'm experiencing
> is when trying to move the window that the GUI is in, on the desktop.
> When I click & hold on the menu bar to move the window around the
> desktop, sometimes I move the mouse pointer, and the window does not
> follow, or will jump to the current location of the pointer after a
> couple seconds.  It's very annoying, because it's unpredictable as to
> what it will do.

This sounds like a function of the window manager, and not xforms.  Does this
only happen with xforms programs, or can you duplicate it with something else
like xclock or firefox?


From jason.bentz at lmco.com  Tue Apr 19 15:56:02 2005
From: jason.bentz at lmco.com (Bentz, Jason)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:56:02 -0500
Subject: [XForms] xforms Window Moving Problem
Message-ID: <BE12A2C28D407645B76E15220BAAD9CF754932@emss02m19.us.lmco.com>

Actually, I was just about to reply and let you all know that it appears
to be an Xwindows thing, not xforms.

If I use ktimer (accessories), I also get the strange behavior.  When
looking in Preferences>>Windows, I see the setting, hold-to-move window
(which is set to ALT).  There is no way to turn this off, at least with
the GUI interface.  A normal terminal window is able to be moved by just
clicking & holding the left mouse button, but to click & hold to move
the xforms windows (or ktimer), I must hold down ALT.

What I'm wondering, if there is a way to disable this hold-to-move
option in the Preferences>>Windows GUI setting?  Maybe there is a way to
manually edit a text file to remove this setting... 

Jason

-----Original Message-----
From: Trent Piepho [mailto:xyzzy at speakeasy.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 2:49 PM
To: Bentz, Jason
Cc: xforms at bob.usuhs.mil
Subject: Re: [XForms] xforms Window Moving Problem

On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Bentz, Jason wrote:
> I'm using xforms-1.0.90 installed on Red Hat Linux Enterprise 3.0, and

> have a GUI that was designed using xforms.  The problem I'm 
> experiencing is when trying to move the window that the GUI is in, on
the desktop.
> When I click & hold on the menu bar to move the window around the 
> desktop, sometimes I move the mouse pointer, and the window does not 
> follow, or will jump to the current location of the pointer after a 
> couple seconds.  It's very annoying, because it's unpredictable as to 
> what it will do.

This sounds like a function of the window manager, and not xforms.  Does
this only happen with xforms programs, or can you duplicate it with
something else like xclock or firefox?




From robert.lawless at ericsson.com  Tue May  3 09:59:39 2005
From: robert.lawless at ericsson.com (Robert Lawless (BH/LMI))
Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 15:59:39 +0200 
Subject: [XForms] Xml Schema instance generation using X-forms
Message-ID: <9B90FC9233F6E94493FF4FD8E0BA247DAAFE2E@eiedbnt502>

Hey folk,
i am quite new to X-Forms....i want to use X-Froms to present a UI to the user based on a certain Xml schema....i.e the user enters in data & out pops out an Xml instance according to this schema......would it be possible to make this generic i.e one would be able to attach any schema with X-Forms presenting a suitable UI & when the users inputs the data, out pops the Xml instance according to the inputted schema

thanks in advance 
Rob

From Todd.Denniston at ssa.crane.navy.mil  Tue May  3 11:19:02 2005
From: Todd.Denniston at ssa.crane.navy.mil (Todd Denniston)
Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 10:19:02 -0500
Subject: [XForms] Xml Schema instance generation using X-forms
References: <9B90FC9233F6E94493FF4FD8E0BA247DAAFE2E@eiedbnt502>
Message-ID: <42779666.B20F0051@ssa.crane.navy.mil>

"Robert Lawless (BH/LMI)" wrote:
> 
> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> Hey folk,
> i am quite new to X-Forms....i want to use X-Froms to present a UI to the user based on a certain Xml schema....i.e the user enters in data & out pops out an Xml instance according to this schema......would it be possible to make this generic i.e one would be able to attach any schema with X-Forms presenting a suitable UI & when the users inputs the data, out pops the Xml instance according to the inputted schema
> 
> thanks in advance
> Rob

Rob, lets first make sure you are asking in the correct group, as there has
been some confusion in the past.
To us XForms is described at [1] as:
"XForms is a GUI toolkit based on Xlib for X Window Systems. It features a
rich set of objects, such as buttons, scrollbars, and menus etc. integrated
into an easy and efficient object/event callback execution model that allows
fast and easy construction of X-applications. In addition, the library is
extensible and new objects can easily be created and added to the library."

To the W3C, XForms is described at [2] as:
"XForms" is W3C's name for a specification of Web forms that can be used
with a wide variety of platforms including desktop computers, hand helds,
information appliances, and even paper. XForms started life as a subgroup of
the HTML Working Group, but has now been spun off as an independent
Activity.

IIRC, the GUI toolkit definition predates the W3C definition, but they use
it so we get the confusion.

So, do you want to do a X Windows System GUI, or a Web form? :)
if GUI, please ask again here (with some ideas of how you want to use the
Xml schema in XForms) otherwise see the links on [2] under the heading "The
XForms Public Mailing List" (funny, the W3C does not have a nice page with
links to the subsections of its home page :).

[1] http://world.std.com/~xforms/
[2] http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/

-- 
Todd Denniston
Crane Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC Crane) 
Harnessing the Power of Technology for the Warfighter

From lingzsweet at yahoo.com  Thu May 19 11:23:02 2005
From: lingzsweet at yahoo.com (Lings)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 08:23:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [XForms] DTD in Xforms
Message-ID: <20050519152303.65083.qmail@web21323.mail.yahoo.com>

Can I use DTD instead of XML Schema in XForms?


		
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From lingzsweet at yahoo.com  Thu May 19 11:32:27 2005
From: lingzsweet at yahoo.com (Lings)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 08:32:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [XForms] XForms User Interface
Message-ID: <20050519153227.94971.qmail@web21327.mail.yahoo.com>

Hallo, I'm very new in xforms. That's why I'm joining this mailing list.
What I want to ask is :
Is ist possible to use another file (xml file) to specifying the input control in my form?
i.e  template.xml
 
<quality_form>
     <text_field>
         <name/>
         <value/>
     </text_field>
     <checkbox>
         <name/>
         <value/>
     </checkbox>
     <text_area>
         <name/>
         <value/>
     </text_area>
</quality_form>

 
This xml file will "tell" my xforms page to contain 1 text field, 1 check box and 1 text area in the user interface section. With name (as label) and value are specified in the xforms page. This form also generated another xml file that will save the data..

template.xml >> xforms >> data.xml
 
So, can XForms handle this? or should I use other application to support xforms? Or maybe any other solutions?

		
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From tompoe at amihost.com  Fri May 27 19:16:45 2005
From: tompoe at amihost.com (tom poe)
Date: 27 May 2005 16:16:45 -0700
Subject: [XForms] what is the correct URL for download?
Message-ID: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>

ftp://ncmir.ucsd.edu/pub/xforms/linux-i386
doesn't let me download xforms for i386 linux.  I copied the above URL
from the mirror page
http://world.std.com/~xforms/ftp/ftp.html
Thanks,
Tom



From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Sun May 29 09:17:34 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 14:17:34 +0100
Subject: [XForms] what is the correct URL for download?
In-Reply-To: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Saturday 28 May 2005 00:16, tom poe wrote:
> To subscribers of the xforms list
>
>
> ftp://ncmir.ucsd.edu/pub/xforms/linux-i386
> doesn't let me download xforms for i386 linux.  I copied the above
> URL from the mirror page
> http://world.std.com/~xforms/ftp/ftp.html
> Thanks,
> Tom

http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms/

Angus

From jac4 at mindless.com  Wed Jul  6 16:11:22 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 20:11:22 -0000
Subject: [XForms] xforms mailing list
Message-ID: <20050706201121.3269DCDA8F@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

The archive is here, right...?

http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms/

I've been getting 403 forbidden errors there. Where is the archive now?



----- Original Message -----
From: "Angus Leeming" <angus.leeming at btopenworld.com>
To: xforms at bob.usuhs.mil
Subject: Re: [XForms] what is the correct URL for download?
Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 14:17:34 +0100

> 
> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> 
> On Saturday 28 May 2005 00:16, tom poe wrote:
> > To subscribers of the xforms list
> >
> >
> > ftp://ncmir.ucsd.edu/pub/xforms/linux-i386
> > doesn't let me download xforms for i386 linux.  I copied the above
> > URL from the mirror page
> > http://world.std.com/~xforms/ftp/ftp.html
> > Thanks,
> > Tom
> 
> http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms/
> 
> Angus
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see:
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms




From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Wed Jul 20 04:50:25 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 08:50:25 -0000
Subject: [XForms] Re: xforms mailing list
In-Reply-To: <20050706201121.3269DCDA8F@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20050706201121.3269DCDA8F@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <200507200950.09269.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Wednesday 06 July 2005 21:11, jason cipriani wrote:
> The archive is here, right...?
>
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms/
>
> I've been getting 403 forbidden errors there. Where is the archive
> now?

Looks like we have a problem. Bob?

Old archives:
http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/

Angus




From maili at heisch.inka.de  Fri Aug 19 05:08:15 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:08:15 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
Message-ID: <20050819110815.07b6b561@emig4.heisch.inka.de>

To subscribers of the xforms list

Hello

I am using xforms-1.0.90 and have a problem with the input object:
while editing, cursor moves two positions at a single keystroke (cursor
left).

Behaviour seems to be a bug in the library, but I'm not sure.

Is there any workaround you know ?


Thanks for any answers,

Gerald


From bob at bob.usuhs.mil  Fri Aug 26 11:18:18 2005
From: bob at bob.usuhs.mil (Robert Williams)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:18:18 -0400
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Message-ID: <430F32BA.3020607@bob.usuhs.mil>

Dear list,

The list went down just prior to my going on vacation.
I had move to a new machine and new version of OS
and mailman.   Sorry about that.
It should be working well now.  

Best Wishes,
Bob Williams
XForms list administrator



From jac4 at mindless.com  Mon Aug 29 21:38:26 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:38:26 -0500
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Message-ID: <20050830013826.F1D70CDA00@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

The list was actually down since at least July 6th (nearly 7 weeks), unless there was a period of uptime in the middle. Although I was apparently the last person ever to post to this list before it came back up, it seems... I received the post I made 7 weeks ago just a few days ago. 403 Forbidden errors, originally, if I'm not mistaken.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Williams" <bob at bob.usuhs.mil>
To: xforms at bob.usuhs.mil
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:18:18 -0400

> 
> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> Dear list,
> 
> The list went down just prior to my going on vacation.
> I had move to a new machine and new version of OS
> and mailman.   Sorry about that.
> It should be working well now.  Best Wishes,
> Bob Williams
> XForms list administrator
> 
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms




From jac4 at mindless.com  Mon Aug 29 21:39:50 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:39:50 -0500
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Message-ID: <20050830013950.2F069CD9FE@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

Oh, I'm sorry, the 403 errors were for archive access. Which reminds me... what is the correct URL of the xforms mailing list archives now?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Williams" <bob at bob.usuhs.mil>
To: xforms at bob.usuhs.mil
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:18:18 -0400

> 
> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> Dear list,
> 
> The list went down just prior to my going on vacation.
> I had move to a new machine and new version of OS
> and mailman.   Sorry about that.
> It should be working well now.  Best Wishes,
> Bob Williams
> XForms list administrator
> 
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms




From bob at bob.usuhs.mil  Tue Aug 30 08:24:39 2005
From: bob at bob.usuhs.mil (Robert Williams)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 08:24:39 -0400
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
In-Reply-To: <20050830013950.2F069CD9FE@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20050830013950.2F069CD9FE@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <43145007.2080103@bob.usuhs.mil>

Dear Jason and list,

The archive access was also broken, I don't know when.
This is now restored, thanks to Jason for seeing this.
The correct URLs are as they were, listed below,
unless I'm missing something else.   The server should be
stable now for the next few years.

Bob,
XForms list admin

jason cipriani wrote:

>To subscribers of the xforms list
>
>Oh, I'm sorry, the 403 errors were for archive access. Which reminds me... what is the correct URL of the xforms mailing list archives now?
>  
>
>_______________________________________________
>To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
>xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
>http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
>XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
>List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
>http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
>Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms
>
>  
>



From maili at heisch.inka.de  Wed Aug 31 00:55:55 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 06:55:55 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
Message-ID: <20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>

To subscribers of the xforms list

Hello

I am using xforms-1.0.90 and have a problem with the input object:
while editing, cursor moves two positions at a single keystroke (cursor
left).

Behaviour seems to be a bug in the library, but I'm not sure.

Is there any workaround you know ?


Thanks for any answers,

Gerald


From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Wed Aug 31 04:55:42 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:55:42 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de> (Gerald Emig's
	message of "Wed, 31 Aug 2005 06:55:55 +0200")
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
Message-ID: <liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:

Gerald> To subscribers of the xforms list To subscribers of the xforms
Gerald> list

Gerald> Hello

Gerald> I am using xforms-1.0.90 and have a problem with the input
Gerald> object: while editing, cursor moves two positions at a single
Gerald> keystroke (cursor left).

Gerald> Behaviour seems to be a bug in the library, but I'm not sure.

Gerald> Is there any workaround you know ?

I do not know that problem. Could you give more details about your
settings?

JMarc


From maili at heisch.inka.de  Wed Aug 31 06:41:29 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:41:29 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
Message-ID: <20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de>



On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:55:42 +0200
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr> wrote:

> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> >>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:
> 
> Gerald> To subscribers of the xforms list To subscribers of the xforms
> Gerald> list
> 
> Gerald> Hello
> 
> Gerald> I am using xforms-1.0.90 and have a problem with the input
> Gerald> object: while editing, cursor moves two positions at a single
> Gerald> keystroke (cursor left).
> 
> Gerald> Behaviour seems to be a bug in the library, but I'm not sure.
> 
> Gerald> Is there any workaround you know ?
> 
> I do not know that problem. Could you give more details about your
> settings?

I use Suse Linux 9.1
I see this double jumping of the cursor in the input object I place on a
form as well as in the attributes dialogue of fdesign.
In a multiline input, hitting return produces two new lines...

Observation: ^b moves left correctly, Cursor Left not.



> 
> JMarc
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms


From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Wed Aug 31 07:43:02 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:43:02 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de> (Gerald Emig's
	message of "Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:41:29 +0200")
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
Message-ID: <liyzmqys56h.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:

Gerald> I use Suse Linux 9.1 I see this double jumping of the cursor
Gerald> in the input object I place on a form as well as in the
Gerald> attributes dialogue of fdesign. In a multiline input, hitting
Gerald> return produces two new lines...

Gerald> Observation: ^b moves left correctly, Cursor Left not.

Did you compile by yourself, or was xforms 1.0.90 bundled by suse?
They apply a big extra patch to xforms to support CJK
(chinese-japanese-korean) input, it this patch is probably not
perfect... 

You could try to report this bug to suse directly, or to build your
own xforms 1.0.90 to see whether it helps.

JMarc


From maili at heisch.inka.de  Wed Aug 31 08:13:13 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:13:13 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <liyzmqys56h.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyzmqys56h.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
Message-ID: <20050831141313.04d318ee@emig4.heisch.inka.de>

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:43:02 +0200
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr> wrote:

> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> >>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:
> 
> Gerald> I use Suse Linux 9.1 I see this double jumping of the cursor
> Gerald> in the input object I place on a form as well as in the
> Gerald> attributes dialogue of fdesign. In a multiline input, hitting
> Gerald> return produces two new lines...
> 
> Gerald> Observation: ^b moves left correctly, Cursor Left not.
> 
> Did you compile by yourself, or was xforms 1.0.90 bundled by suse?
> They apply a big extra patch to xforms to support CJK
> (chinese-japanese-korean) input, it this patch is probably not
> perfect... 

Thank you very much for the hint.

I use the Suse package, but I'll try to compile xforms myself as soon as
possible with suse 9.1 (I do not want to break my working environment
at the moment).

In the meanwhile I tried xforms under the recent suse 9.3.
First of all I had to compile the library myself because they do not
support it anymore (at least it seems so).
But with this self compiled lib all works great.


Thank you

Gerald 

> 
> You could try to report this bug to suse directly, or to build your
> own xforms 1.0.90 to see whether it helps.
> 
> JMarc
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms


From maili at heisch.inka.de  Sat Sep  3 12:20:52 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 18:20:52 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <20050831141313.04d318ee@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyzmqys56h.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<20050831141313.04d318ee@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
Message-ID: <20050903182052.6f9902c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>


Hello all,

I compiled xforms myself and this solved the problem.
Thanks for your help.

Gerald


On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:13:13 +0200
Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> wrote:

> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:43:02 +0200
> Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr> wrote:
> 
> > To subscribers of the xforms list
> > 
> > >>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:
> > 
> > Gerald> I use Suse Linux 9.1 I see this double jumping of the cursor
> > Gerald> in the input object I place on a form as well as in the
> > Gerald> attributes dialogue of fdesign. In a multiline input,
> > hitting Gerald> return produces two new lines...
> > 
> > Gerald> Observation: ^b moves left correctly, Cursor Left not.
> > 
> > Did you compile by yourself, or was xforms 1.0.90 bundled by suse?
> > They apply a big extra patch to xforms to support CJK
> > (chinese-japanese-korean) input, it this patch is probably not
> > perfect... 
> 
> Thank you very much for the hint.
> 
> I use the Suse package, but I'll try to compile xforms myself as soon
> as possible with suse 9.1 (I do not want to break my working
> environment at the moment).
> 
> In the meanwhile I tried xforms under the recent suse 9.3.
> First of all I had to compile the library myself because they do not
> support it anymore (at least it seems so).
> But with this self compiled lib all works great.
> 
> 
> Thank you
> 
> Gerald 
> 
> > 
> > You could try to report this bug to suse directly, or to build your
> > own xforms 1.0.90 to see whether it helps.
> > 
> > JMarc
> > _______________________________________________
> > To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> > xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> > http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> > XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> > List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> > http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> > Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms



Gerald Emig

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From carsten.voss at rmit.edu.au  Mon Oct 10 03:21:34 2005
From: carsten.voss at rmit.edu.au (Carsten Voss)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:21:34 +1000
Subject: [XForms] xforms and glibc 2.3, newer verson available?
Message-ID: <s34aa33f.045@its-gw-inet57.its.rmit.edu.au>

Hi Folks,

I cannot seem to find a source download or an Linux RPM of xforms that will work on glibc2.3?
Any advice most welcome. Thanks.

I have installed version  xforms-0.89-3 which I believe is intended for glibc2.1. Unfortunitely I try and compile wulffman (which uses xforms) I receive referencing errors from libforms.a.

best regards,
Carsten Voss




From dadembro at rockwellcollins.com  Mon Oct 10 10:05:06 2005
From: dadembro at rockwellcollins.com (dadembro at rockwellcollins.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:05:06 -0400
Subject: [XForms] xforms and glibc 2.3, newer verson available?
In-Reply-To: <s34aa33f.045@its-gw-inet57.its.rmit.edu.au>
Message-ID: <OF25AB0DAF.0401B0BB-ON85257096.004CE817-85257096.004D5EFD@rockwellcollins.com>

Carsten,

For the latest source try:
      http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms

Slainte,
---d.dembrow



                                                                           
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To subscribers of the xforms list

Hi Folks,

I cannot seem to find a source download or an Linux RPM of xforms that will
work on glibc2.3?
Any advice most welcome. Thanks.

I have installed version  xforms-0.89-3 which I believe is intended for
glibc2.1. Unfortunitely I try and compile wulffman (which uses xforms) I
receive referencing errors from libforms.a.

best regards,
Carsten Voss


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From GalbraithP at dfo-mpo.gc.ca  Tue Oct 11 10:54:01 2005
From: GalbraithP at dfo-mpo.gc.ca (Peter Galbraith)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:54:01 -0400
Subject: [XForms] xforms and glibc 2.3, newer verson available? 
In-Reply-To: Message from <dadembro@rockwellcollins.com> of "Mon,
	10 Oct 2005 10:05:06 EDT."
	<OF25AB0DAF.0401B0BB-ON85257096.004CE817-85257096.004D5EFD@rockwellcollins.com>
References: <OF25AB0DAF.0401B0BB-ON85257096.004CE817-85257096.004D5EFD@rockwellcollins.com>
Message-ID: <20051011145401.00A1E10A74A@mixing.qc.dfo.ca>

<dadembro at rockwellcollins.com> wrote:

> For the latest source try:
>       http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms

Debian is still using the stable release 1.0

Given that 1.0.90 has been a candidate for over one year without
apparent problems, would I update Debian with that?

Thanks,

Peter


From gnushi at gmx.net  Sat Oct 22 11:18:59 2005
From: gnushi at gmx.net (Gnu Shi)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 17:18:59 +0200
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
Message-ID: <1129994339.7002.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>


Hi!

It is a bit hard to find this list. There seems no advertisment at
http://savannah.nongnu.org/mail/?group=xforms

Are you still working on XForms?

GnuShi


-- 



From jac4 at mindless.com  Sat Oct 22 14:25:41 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 13:25:41 -0500
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
Message-ID: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

> Hi!
> 
> It is a bit hard to find this list. There seems no advertisment at
> http://savannah.nongnu.org/mail/?group=xforms
> 
> Are you still working on XForms?
> 
> GnuShi

I have been wondering the same thing. There has not been an update in quite 
some time. A while ago, there was a flurry of patches and activity but a new 
official release never came out.

Speaking of which, if you're looking for a new maintainer or some help... 
*cough* *cough*. Although it's been some time since I personally dug into the 
code at all, but I can definitely think of a few improvements here and there. 
In any case if you guys are planning on another official release any time 
soon I do have some things here and there I'd like to fix that I can submit 
patches for. XForms seems to be getting a bit old and dusty.

Jason

> 
> 
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From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Mon Oct 24 08:54:12 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:54:12 +0200
Subject: [XForms] xforms and glibc 2.3, newer verson available?
In-Reply-To: <20051011145401.00A1E10A74A@mixing.qc.dfo.ca> (Peter Galbraith's
	message of "Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:54:01 -0400")
References: <OF25AB0DAF.0401B0BB-ON85257096.004CE817-85257096.004D5EFD@rockwellcollins.com>
	<20051011145401.00A1E10A74A@mixing.qc.dfo.ca>
Message-ID: <liyk6g313ez.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Peter" == Peter Galbraith <GalbraithP at dfo-mpo.gc.ca> writes:

Peter> To subscribers of the xforms list
Peter> <dadembro at rockwellcollins.com> wrote:

>> For the latest source try:
>> http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms

Peter> Debian is still using the stable release 1.0

Peter> Given that 1.0.90 has been a candidate for over one year
Peter> without apparent problems, would I update Debian with that?

Yes, I think you should.

JMarc


From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Mon Oct 24 09:03:23 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 15:03:23 +0200
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
In-Reply-To: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> (jason
	cipriani's message of "Sat, 22 Oct 2005 13:25:41 -0500")
References: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <liyirvn12zo.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "jason" == jason cipriani <jac4 at mindless.com> writes:

jason> I have been wondering the same thing. There has not been an
jason> update in quite some time. A while ago, there was a flurry of
jason> patches and activity but a new official release never came out.

The sad truth is that nothing is happening. We should have released
xforms 1.1 ages ago and there is no sign that this is going to
happen... 

jason> Speaking of which, if you're looking for a new maintainer or
jason> some help... *cough* *cough*. Although it's been some time
jason> since I personally dug into the code at all, but I can
jason> definitely think of a few improvements here and there. 

It might be a good solution indeed, although I can't speak for Angus.

jason> In any case if you guys are planning on another official
jason> release any time soon I do have some things here and there I'd
jason> like to fix that I can submit patches for.

I can't speak for Angus, but personally I'd like at least to release a
1.1 version with what we have now (plus the fl_set_locale() patch that
I never got around to apply). What do you have in store?

jason> XForms seems to be getting a bit old and dusty.

Sure.

JMarc


From Gayle.C.Roth at nasa.gov  Mon Oct 24 09:55:27 2005
From: Gayle.C.Roth at nasa.gov (Gayle C Roth)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 09:55:27 -0400
Subject: [XForms] xforms on VMS
Message-ID: <5.1.1.5.2.20051024094416.0100b8f0@popserve.grc.nasa.gov>

Hi,

I'm using a version of xforms I built on a VMS 7.3-2 system.  The 
application I'm building necessitates the use of a hibernate/wake mechanism 
(the program I'm working with calls the VMS system service 
sys$hiber).  I've found that, at least initially, a single call to 
sys$hiber is not enough -- it takes 2 calls to sys$hiber before the program 
actually hibernates.  I further discovered that this is because xforms is 
somehow setting the "wake-pending" bit.  Does anyone have an idea why and 
where xforms is setting this bit, and how I can keep it from happening?

Thanks,
Gayle




From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Tue Oct 25 05:18:53 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:18:53 +0100
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
In-Reply-To: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <200510251018.53224.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Saturday 22 October 2005 19:25, jason cipriani wrote:
> > It is a bit hard to find this list. There seems no advertisment at
> > http://savannah.nongnu.org/mail/?group=xforms

Patches are always welcome. Personally, I've no real html skills.

> > Are you still working on XForms?

Not really :)

> > GnuShi
>
> I have been wondering the same thing. There has not been an update in quite
> some time. A while ago, there was a flurry of patches and activity but a
> new official release never came out.

I got stuck trying to resolve what I believe is a major flaw. However, I 
eventually gave up because I do't have the X11 skills to fix the problem 
correctly. Tha's a shame, because the flaw is actually just a kludge in one 
small piece of code; someone with the right skills could probably fix it in a 
day.

> Speaking of which, if you're looking for a new maintainer or some help...
> *cough* *cough*. Although it's been some time since I personally dug into
> the code at all, but I can definitely think of a few improvements here and
> there. In any case if you guys are planning on another official release any
> time soon I do have some things here and there I'd like to fix that I can
> submit patches for. XForms seems to be getting a bit old and dusty.

Great! I think I'm going to grab your offer with both hands. My XForms days 
are very limited I'm afraid as I'm soon going to be empoyed by a company that 
actively prohibits GPL software development. OK, XForms is LGPL-licenced, 
but...

Please set up a savannah account if you don't have one already and mail me the 
details. I'll add you to the project's list of administrators.

Angus


From jac4 at mindless.com  Thu Oct 27 12:04:16 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:04:16 -0500
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
Message-ID: <20051027160418.E30DBCDA09@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

> I got stuck trying to resolve what I believe is a major flaw. However, I
> eventually gave up because I do't have the X11 skills to fix the problem
> correctly. Tha's a shame, because the flaw is actually just a kludge in one
> small piece of code; someone with the right skills could probably fix it in a
> day.

What is the flaw?

> Great! I think I'm going to grab your offer with both hands. My XForms days
> are very limited I'm afraid as I'm soon going to be empoyed by a company that
> actively prohibits GPL software development. OK, XForms is LGPL-licenced,
> but...
> 
> Please set up a savannah account if you don't have one already and mail me the
> details. I'll add you to the project's list of administrators.

Honestly, I didn't expect my offer to be met with such enthusiasm ;) I have a side project that I'm working on right now which will be finished around mid-December. Once that is over with, I will set up a Savannah account and give you the details. In the mean time, I'll put together all the changes I've made. They're all relatively minor, mostly fdesign related. After this project clears up then I'll have the time to start working on XForms more actively. I'll get back to you soon.

Jason




From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Thu Oct 27 12:19:02 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:19:02 +0100
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
In-Reply-To: <20051027160418.E30DBCDA09@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20051027160418.E30DBCDA09@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <200510271719.02876.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Thursday 27 October 2005 17:04, jason cipriani wrote:
> > I got stuck trying to resolve what I believe is a major flaw. However, I
> > eventually gave up because I do't have the X11 skills to fix the problem
> > correctly. Tha's a shame, because the flaw is actually just a kludge in
> > one small piece of code; someone with the right skills could probably fix
> > it in a day.
>
> What is the flaw?

In forms.c:

#if 1
    /* this is an ugly hack. This is necessary due to popup pointer grab
       where a button release is eaten. Really should do a send event from
       the pop-up routines */

    if (fl_pushobj && !button_down(fl_keymask) /* && event == FL_ENTER */ )
    {
	obj = fl_pushobj;
	fl_pushobj = NULL;
	fl_handle_object(obj, FL_RELEASE, xx, yy, key, xev);
    }
#endif

It has unpleasant consequences all over the place.

> Honestly, I didn't expect my offer to be met with such enthusiasm ;) I have
> a side project that I'm working on right now which will be finished around
> mid-December. Once that is over with, I will set up a Savannah account and
> give you the details. In the mean time, I'll put together all the changes
> I've made. They're all relatively minor, mostly fdesign related. After this
> project clears up then I'll have the time to start working on XForms more
> actively. I'll get back to you soon.

Great!
Angus


From s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk  Mon Dec  5 10:12:20 2005
From: s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk (Sheila R. Bryant)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:12:20 +0000
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Solaris
Message-ID: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>

Hi everyone,

I'm trying to build xforms-1.0.90 on a Solaris 9 machine. I'm using 
gcc-3.2.2 to compile, and

./configure --prefix=/opt/tools --enable-demos --enable-warnings \
             --disable-gl

The problem comes when the demos are being built, ibrowser will not 
link, and I get

gcc -g -O -Wall -o .libs/ibrowser ibrowser.o  -L/usr/openwin/lib 
-L/opt/graphics/lib -L/opt/GNU/gcc-3.2.2/lib -L/opt/GNU/lib 
../image/.libs/libflimage.so ../lib/.libs/libforms.so -lSM -lICE 
/opt/graphics/lib/libjpeg.so -lXpm -lX11 -lsocket -lnsl -lc -lm 
-R/opt/tools/lib -R/opt/graphics/lib -R/usr/openwin/lib 
-R/opt/GNU/gcc-3.2.2/lib -R/opt/GNU/lib
Undefined                       first referenced
  symbol                             in file
.LLC90                              ../image/.libs/libflimage.so
ld: fatal: Symbol referencing errors. No output written to .libs/ibrowser
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
gmake[2]: *** [ibrowser] Error 1
gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/home/opt-user/download/xforms-1.0.90/demos'
gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/home/opt-user/download/xforms-1.0.90/demos'
gmake: *** [all-recursive] Error 1


This is a completely new one to me, and Google is not throwing up 
anything helpful. Does anyone have any ideas on what I might try? My aim 
is to get Lyx up and running, but until I can solve (or sidestep) this 
problem, I'm stuck.

Many thanks
-- 

Sheila
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dr. Sheila Bryant                        Software Applications Support
Email: S.R.Bryant at reading.ac.uk          Dept. of Meteorology,
Phone: 0118 378 6395                     University of Reading,

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From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Mon Dec  5 10:23:50 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:23:50 +0000
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Solaris
In-Reply-To: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <200512051523.50227.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Monday 05 December 2005 15:12, Sheila R. Bryant wrote:
> This is a completely new one to me, and Google is not throwing up
> anything helpful. Does anyone have any ideas on what I might try? My aim
> is to get Lyx up and running, but until I can solve (or sidestep) this
> problem, I'm stuck.

Hi, Sheila. I've never seen this bug before, but if you want to compile XForms 
only to get LyX up and running, you don't really need the demos ;-)

Angus


From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Mon Dec  5 10:26:53 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:26:53 +0100
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Solaris
In-Reply-To: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk> (Sheila R. Bryant's message of
	"Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:12:20 +0000")
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Sheila" == Sheila R Bryant <s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk> writes:

Sheila> This is a completely new one to me, and Google is not throwing
Sheila> up anything helpful. Does anyone have any ideas on what I
Sheila> might try? My aim is to get Lyx up and running, but until I
Sheila> can solve (or sidestep) this problem, I'm stuck.

This is indeed weird, never heard of that.

But if you do not build the demos, everything is right, isn't it?

JMarc

PS: of course, you can also use the qt version of LyX, but I should
not say that here :)


From s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk  Mon Dec  5 10:43:06 2005
From: s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk (Sheila R. Bryant)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:43:06 +0000
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Solaris
In-Reply-To: <liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
	<liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
Message-ID: <4394600A.9040809@reading.ac.uk>

Hi JMarc,

Well, if I don't build the demos, xforms claims to build OK, but when I 
try to build LyX I get this problem come up. All the demos that build 
seem to run OK - assorted boxes, buttons, forms etc come up and go away 
in a controlled manner.

Where LyX falls down is in a test to find flimage_dup; I can reproduce 
the error with a test.c

char flimage_dup ();
int
main ()
{
flimage_dup ();
   ;
   return 0;
}

compiled with

gcc -o test test.c -L/opt/tools/lib -lflimage -ljpeg -lforms -lXpm

Hope that sheds some more light

Cheers

Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
>>>>>>"Sheila" == Sheila R Bryant <s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk> writes:
> 
> 
> Sheila> This is a completely new one to me, and Google is not throwing
> Sheila> up anything helpful. Does anyone have any ideas on what I
> Sheila> might try? My aim is to get Lyx up and running, but until I
> Sheila> can solve (or sidestep) this problem, I'm stuck.
> 
> This is indeed weird, never heard of that.
> 
> But if you do not build the demos, everything is right, isn't it?
> 
> JMarc
> 
> PS: of course, you can also use the qt version of LyX, but I should
> not say that here :)

-- 

Sheila
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dr. Sheila Bryant                        Software Applications Support
Email: S.R.Bryant at reading.ac.uk          Dept. of Meteorology,
Phone: 0118 378 6395                     University of Reading,

--------------------------------------------------------------------------


From mcrespo at ictp.trieste.it  Wed Dec  7 05:52:33 2005
From: mcrespo at ictp.trieste.it (CRESPO MARIA LIZ)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:52:33 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Windows
In-Reply-To: <liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
	<liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512071145360.31165@ssh-2>


what about building Xforms on Windows? Could someone tell me something 
about it?
Thank you.
Regards,
Maria Liz


**********************************************
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ICTP-INFN Laboratory
the Abdus Salam International Centre for Theoretical Physics
Via Beirut 31
34100 - Trieste (Italy)
Tel: 39 040 2249930
Fax: 39 040 224600
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From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Wed Dec  7 06:27:09 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 12:27:09 +0100
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Windows
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512071145360.31165@ssh-2> (CRESPO MARIA LIZ's
	message of "Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:52:33 +0100 (CET)")
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
	<liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0512071145360.31165@ssh-2>
Message-ID: <liy8xuxywoi.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "CRESPO" == CRESPO MARIA LIZ <mcrespo at ictp.trieste.it> writes:

CRESPO> To subscribers of the xforms list what about building Xforms
CRESPO> on Windows? Could someone tell me something about it? 

You need cygwin and an X server. Other than that, it is supposed to
work with the latest 1.0.90 version. I'd be interested to know whether
it really works, though.

In might even work with mingw, I do not actually know.

JMarc


From christof.hoeke at e-7.com  Tue Feb  8 05:35:57 2005
From: christof.hoeke at e-7.com (christof.hoeke at e-7.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:35:57 +0100
Subject: [XForms] Xforms or XHTML 1.0 Forms Module
Message-ID: <96849388D2102F40AEF198798540F2E1E6B8E2@gt1mail1.gt.da-ag.local>

Hi,
A question regarding which forms dialect to choose as a basis for a web application processing framework.

Background
We developed a custom XML format to be used to describe and process (web) forms which itself is part of a custom XML format basically describing (web) pages and a processing/workflow part.
For the frontend it is transformed via XSLT to HTML/CSS to target desktop browsers (may later also be PDA or whatever). So the format has to include enough information for a semantically sufficient processing in it (accessibility is an issue). The layout information is in the enclosing format.
For the backend the same format is used for a kind of basic workflow and of course the processing of the input data (delegation to other applications, storing, validation etc).

For the next version currently in development the format needs to be changed anyway (not the best yet as it is more or less a pure layout format yet and not even complete regarding all form possibilities [grouping of option elements etc]). 
So we thought of using a standard format for the forms part of the format (which currently cannot be changed as a whole as it is also used for CMS generated static pages and which should not be needed anyway if just adding forms as a module). 

Anyway, we looked into Xforms (XTHML 2.0 forms) but wondered if they bring enough advantages compared to the second option, using simply XHTML 1.0 Forms.

Xforms:
- new format, needs to be learned and implemented, higher learning curve+ new standard and therefore possibly more futureproove format
- for basic layout information maybe label needing to be child of input (is this actually mandatory?) cannot easily be transformed to the HTML <label for="ID"> <input id="ID"> possibility
+ includes validation and separation of model and view
... Lots more of course

XHTML 1.0 Forms:
+ lots of experience, known format and fairly simple, easy to use
+ of course includes all elements we need for a transformation to HTML (fieldset/legend, input+label, @accesskey, @tabindex etc)
- validation/data-types and other stuff needs to be added with custom or Xforms parts
...

Maybe we don't yet understand Xforms right, but at the moment we tend to use XHTML 1.0 forms for the following reasons/questions, maybe anyone can share his opinions?
* can Xforms describe *all* possible HTML form elements without the need to add custom extensions? 
	* above <label for="ID"> <input id="ID"> example which seems difficult in XForms
	* fieldset/legend elements, select/optgroup/option elements etc
* submitting XML from the browser does not work yet so this part of Xforms would have to be committed anyway
* new widgets (range widget) cannot be used on browsers yet either
* workload to integrate Xforms compared to XHTML 1.0 forms seems much higher 
* later migration to xforms should not be too difficult

Any opinions would be great, thanks a lot 
chris



From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Tue Feb  8 06:55:01 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 12:55:01 +0100
Subject: [XForms] Xforms or XHTML 1.0 Forms Module
In-Reply-To: <96849388D2102F40AEF198798540F2E1E6B8E2@gt1mail1.gt.da-ag.local>
	(christof hoeke's message of "Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:35:57 +0100")
References: <96849388D2102F40AEF198798540F2E1E6B8E2@gt1mail1.gt.da-ag.local>
Message-ID: <liyy8dznu5m.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Christof" ==   <christof.hoeke at e-7.com> writes:

Christof> Hi, A question regarding which forms dialect to choose as a
Christof> basis for a web application processing framework.

Hello, you found the wrong xforms list. This list is for discussing
the old and venerable xforms GUI toolkit, not the new and exciting
XForms w3c standard (or whatever) :)

JMarc

From psg at debian.org  Tue Feb  8 09:22:41 2005
From: psg at debian.org (Peter S Galbraith)
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:22:41 -0500
Subject: [XForms] Re: XForms: Documentation 
In-Reply-To: Message from "T.C. Zhao" <tc_zhao@yahoo.com> 
	<20030908154838.51918.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com> 
References: <20030908154838.51918.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com> 
Message-ID: <20050208142241.8683AAB07E@mixing.qc.dfo.ca>

On Sept 8th 2003, T.C. Zhao <tc_zhao at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Sorry for the delay and thanks for the info. GPL it is.
> 
> I am currently travelling and will be back home end of September. Expect the
> free manual in October sometime.
> 
> -TC
> --- Peter S Galbraith <psg at debian.org> wrote:
> > To subscribers of the xforms list
> > 
> > 
> > T.C. Zhao <tc_zhao at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > All I need to do is boot up my old linux box and recover the doc
> > > and send it.  Will do this sometime in April (I've been travelling,
> > > and am sending this email from Tokyo).
> > > -TC
> > 
> > Hi T.C.,
> > 
> > I really hate to keep nagging you like this.  :-)
> > 
> > You meant to release the sources of the XForms manual last April but
> > never got around to it.  This is a reminder.  Also, please avoid using
> > the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) since it not a free software
> > license and therefore cannot be included in the Debian distribution.
> > Using the GPL would be fine.

Hello T.C.,

Consider this another nudge to release the sources of the XForms
manual.  On the plus side, I didn't nag you in 2004.  ;-)

Please consider taking some time to actually do this now, while the
sources still exist, and before you get hit by a bus or something and
they are gone forever.  The XForms sources have been free for a long
time now (Thanks!) and they really should have free documentation.

Thanks,
-- 
Peter S. Galbraith, Debian Developer          <psg at debian.org>
                                 http://people.debian.org/~psg
GPG key 1024/D2A913A1 - 97CE 866F F579 96EE  6E68 8170 35FF 799E

From msz at astrouw.edu.pl  Fri Mar 11 16:24:12 2005
From: msz at astrouw.edu.pl (Michal Szymanski)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:24:12 +0100
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
Message-ID: <20050311212412.GA13751@astrouw.edu.pl>

Hi,

I have a pretty complicated XForms application for controlling the
telscope. One of the object used is a "normal" (no selection) browser
for displaying messages to the user. I have noticed that the mouse wheel
(functioning, as reported by "xev", as Button 4 & 5) works mostly as
expected, i.e. scrolling the browser. Howerver, quite often, possibly
(although I am not sure) when the browser has many lines and I rotate
the wheel fast, the whole application crashes badly.

As such a crash is a very bad thing while the user is observing with the
telescope, I would like to disable the wheel, possibly only for that
browser (or my XForms application), as it worls fine in other
applications like xterm or mozilla. Is it doable?

regards, Michal. 

-- 
  Michal Szymanski (msz at astrouw dot edu dot pl)
  Warsaw University Observatory, Warszawa, POLAND

From jac4 at mindless.com  Sun Mar 13 01:21:04 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 01:21:04 -0500
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
Message-ID: <20050313062104.5B3C4CDA29@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

> As such a crash is a very bad thing while the user is observing with the
> telescope, I would like to disable the wheel, possibly only for that
> browser (or my XForms application), as it worls fine in other
> applications like xterm or mozilla. Is it doable?

I am not certain, but you may be able to do this with fl_set_object_prehandler(). You can set a prehandler for your browser and check to see if the xevent is a mouse wheel button event. If it is then return FL_PREEMPT from the prehandler, and that should prevent the event from reaching the browser.

Documentation is here:
http://www.public.iastate.edu/~xforms/node6.html#6888

It's weird that it crashes, though. When you say it only happens in browsers with a lot of items, how many items is "a lot"?

Jason


From xforms2 at vjet.demon.co.uk  Sun Mar 13 17:11:44 2005
From: xforms2 at vjet.demon.co.uk (Clive A Stubbings)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:11:44 GMT
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
Message-ID: <200503132211.j2DMBiQ3001137@vjet.demon.co.uk>

Michal Szymanski  said:

> Howerver, quite often, possibly
> (although I am not sure) when the browser has many lines and I rotate
> the wheel fast, the whole application crashes badly.

jason cipriani said:

> It's weird that it crashes, though. When you say it only happens in
> browsers with a lot of items, how many items is "a lot"?

I'm with Jason on this one. I'd bet its a code bug in your app.. I use
big browser lists and I had exactly the same symptom. I spent a while 
suspecting xforms too - but it was me ;-(

If it helps at all, in my case, the root cause was it was a callback
being called with no line selected in the browser. I didn't check,
and ended up dereferenced a wild pointer and core-dumped.

Cheers
Clive

From msz at astrouw.edu.pl  Sun Mar 13 23:27:16 2005
From: msz at astrouw.edu.pl (Michal Szymanski)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 05:27:16 +0100
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
In-Reply-To: <200503132211.j2DMBiQ3001137@vjet.demon.co.uk>
References: <200503132211.j2DMBiQ3001137@vjet.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20050314042716.GA17162@astrouw.edu.pl>

> > Howerver, quite often, possibly
> > (although I am not sure) when the browser has many lines and I rotate
> > the wheel fast, the whole application crashes badly.
> 
> jason cipriani said:
> 
> > It's weird that it crashes, though. When you say it only happens in
> > browsers with a lot of items, how many items is "a lot"?
> 
> I'm with Jason on this one. I'd bet its a code bug in your app.. I use
> big browser lists and I had exactly the same symptom. I spent a while 
> suspecting xforms too - but it was me ;-(
> 
> If it helps at all, in my case, the root cause was it was a callback
> being called with no line selected in the browser. I didn't check,
> and ended up dereferenced a wild pointer and core-dumped.

It well might be a code bug. As I said before, the crashes are random
and my guess to link them to the number of lines in the browser and/or
the speed of rotating the mice wheel may be wrong. Unfortunately it is a
kind of "production" application, controlling real hardware, so I cannot
make too many experiments.

"A lot of lines" may be several thousand. The browser gets the messages
from the telescope control system, I would estimate this to 1600-1800
lines per night and the program can run several weeks if everything is
going fine.

As for the "callback" suggestion: it is a FL_NORMAL_BROWSER, so AFAIK
there should be no interaction requiring callbacks. Just the scrolling.

I managed to disable mouse buttons 4 & 5 (wheel) for the browser using
"prehandler".

regards, Michal.

-- 
  Michal Szymanski (msz at astrouw dot edu dot pl)
  Warsaw University Observatory, Warszawa, POLAND

From jac4 at mindless.com  Mon Mar 14 00:16:20 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 00:16:20 -0500
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
Message-ID: <20050314051620.9FBD62000B@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

> It well might be a code bug. As I said before, the crashes are random
> and my guess to link them to the number of lines in the browser and/or
> the speed of rotating the mice wheel may be wrong. Unfortunately it is a
> kind of "production" application, controlling real hardware, so I cannot
> make too many experiments.
> 
> "A lot of lines" may be several thousand. The browser gets the messages
> from the telescope control system, I would estimate this to 1600-1800
> lines per night and the program can run several weeks if everything is
> going fine.

Not related to XForms, but here's a design hint: If your application crashes, and that's really bad, write another program that constantly watches your application to see if it crashes, and restarts it if it does. For example, a program that fork+exec's your program, then waitpid's for it to terminate. I also write software to control/automate a lot of hardware stuff, and I speak from many unpleasant experiences. ;( Not much worse than coming back to work on Monday only to find your software crashed sometime Saturday morning.

Alternatively, if you don't trust your toolkit, I might also recommend taking more of a client/server approach where your "server" is always controlling/logging telescope data and your "client" is a separate process that is just a GUI that you can monitor the server with. That way, if XForms hiccups, the GUI will crash but you won't lose any data/control.

Anyways I made a browser with 30000 lines in it just for grins and moved the wheel up and down for about 5 whole minutes with no problems, I'd look into other areas to find the problem. Disabling the mouse wheel may solve one of the symptoms but if it's a weird bug then you don't know what other problems may be going on behind the scenes.

Well, good luck with your application. Sounds interesting. :)


From dstrang at chartermi.net  Thu Apr  7 21:02:24 2005
From: dstrang at chartermi.net (David Strang)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 21:02:24 -0400
Subject: [XForms] CygWin and Xforms 1.0.2
Message-ID: <000e01c53bd6$a1543e20$6401a8c0@athlon24>

I have been trying to get this version of xforms fully functional under Cygwin 
and now is time for enabling the GL demos. Configure can't find the glx header
file even though GL is installed and  glx.h and other GL files seem to exist
inside the "C:\cygwin\usr\X11R6\include\GL" folder. 

Could this be a path issue? But why doesn't GL get searched but the rest of
the stuff does?

Doesn't configure know where the GL stuff exists?

Any help here is appreciated...it must be something I'm over looking.

Regards,
Dave Strang


From jason.bentz at lmco.com  Tue Apr 19 13:40:29 2005
From: jason.bentz at lmco.com (Bentz, Jason)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:40:29 -0500
Subject: [XForms] xforms Window Moving Problem
Message-ID: <BE12A2C28D407645B76E15220BAAD9CF751659@emss02m19.us.lmco.com>

I'm using xforms-1.0.90 installed on Red Hat Linux Enterprise 3.0, and
have a GUI that was designed using xforms.  The problem I'm experiencing
is when trying to move the window that the GUI is in, on the desktop.
When I click & hold on the menu bar to move the window around the
desktop, sometimes I move the mouse pointer, and the window does not
follow, or will jump to the current location of the pointer after a
couple seconds.  It's very annoying, because it's unpredictable as to
what it will do.
 
I started playing around with some of the demo files, so that users
would be able to confirm or deny my findings.
 
fbrowse:
    One click on the menu bar (click and release) allows moving of the
window, then clicking (and release) to drop the window in it's place.
It takes about 2 seconds to respond to this first click though (the
window stays in it's current location, then jumps to the pointer
location).  Clicking and holding seems to respond the same way.
 
wwwl:
    Same as above.
 
cursor:
    Click and hold, then drag only responds every other time.  (I.E., if
I do that procedure once, the window moves, a second time, it doesn't, a
third time it does, a forth time it doesn't.)
 
symbols:
    Click and hold, then drag does not work at all, but if you unclick,
the window then follows the cursor.
 
Has anyone experienced these problems and come up with a work around for
it?  I would prefer that it respond as Windows does, in that you have to
click and hold, then drag, then release to drop the window.  When we had
this GUI working on an old DEC Alpha workstation, it behaved in this
way.
 

Jason


From xyzzy at speakeasy.org  Tue Apr 19 15:48:37 2005
From: xyzzy at speakeasy.org (Trent Piepho)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:48:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [XForms] xforms Window Moving Problem
In-Reply-To: <BE12A2C28D407645B76E15220BAAD9CF751659@emss02m19.us.lmco.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.04.10504191246100.14543-100000@c-24-18-248-22.hsd1.wa.comcast.net>

On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Bentz, Jason wrote:
> I'm using xforms-1.0.90 installed on Red Hat Linux Enterprise 3.0, and
> have a GUI that was designed using xforms.  The problem I'm experiencing
> is when trying to move the window that the GUI is in, on the desktop.
> When I click & hold on the menu bar to move the window around the
> desktop, sometimes I move the mouse pointer, and the window does not
> follow, or will jump to the current location of the pointer after a
> couple seconds.  It's very annoying, because it's unpredictable as to
> what it will do.

This sounds like a function of the window manager, and not xforms.  Does this
only happen with xforms programs, or can you duplicate it with something else
like xclock or firefox?


From jason.bentz at lmco.com  Tue Apr 19 15:56:02 2005
From: jason.bentz at lmco.com (Bentz, Jason)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:56:02 -0500
Subject: [XForms] xforms Window Moving Problem
Message-ID: <BE12A2C28D407645B76E15220BAAD9CF754932@emss02m19.us.lmco.com>

Actually, I was just about to reply and let you all know that it appears
to be an Xwindows thing, not xforms.

If I use ktimer (accessories), I also get the strange behavior.  When
looking in Preferences>>Windows, I see the setting, hold-to-move window
(which is set to ALT).  There is no way to turn this off, at least with
the GUI interface.  A normal terminal window is able to be moved by just
clicking & holding the left mouse button, but to click & hold to move
the xforms windows (or ktimer), I must hold down ALT.

What I'm wondering, if there is a way to disable this hold-to-move
option in the Preferences>>Windows GUI setting?  Maybe there is a way to
manually edit a text file to remove this setting... 

Jason

-----Original Message-----
From: Trent Piepho [mailto:xyzzy at speakeasy.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 2:49 PM
To: Bentz, Jason
Cc: xforms at bob.usuhs.mil
Subject: Re: [XForms] xforms Window Moving Problem

On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Bentz, Jason wrote:
> I'm using xforms-1.0.90 installed on Red Hat Linux Enterprise 3.0, and

> have a GUI that was designed using xforms.  The problem I'm 
> experiencing is when trying to move the window that the GUI is in, on
the desktop.
> When I click & hold on the menu bar to move the window around the 
> desktop, sometimes I move the mouse pointer, and the window does not 
> follow, or will jump to the current location of the pointer after a 
> couple seconds.  It's very annoying, because it's unpredictable as to 
> what it will do.

This sounds like a function of the window manager, and not xforms.  Does
this only happen with xforms programs, or can you duplicate it with
something else like xclock or firefox?




From robert.lawless at ericsson.com  Tue May  3 09:59:39 2005
From: robert.lawless at ericsson.com (Robert Lawless (BH/LMI))
Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 15:59:39 +0200 
Subject: [XForms] Xml Schema instance generation using X-forms
Message-ID: <9B90FC9233F6E94493FF4FD8E0BA247DAAFE2E@eiedbnt502>

Hey folk,
i am quite new to X-Forms....i want to use X-Froms to present a UI to the user based on a certain Xml schema....i.e the user enters in data & out pops out an Xml instance according to this schema......would it be possible to make this generic i.e one would be able to attach any schema with X-Forms presenting a suitable UI & when the users inputs the data, out pops the Xml instance according to the inputted schema

thanks in advance 
Rob

From Todd.Denniston at ssa.crane.navy.mil  Tue May  3 11:19:02 2005
From: Todd.Denniston at ssa.crane.navy.mil (Todd Denniston)
Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 10:19:02 -0500
Subject: [XForms] Xml Schema instance generation using X-forms
References: <9B90FC9233F6E94493FF4FD8E0BA247DAAFE2E@eiedbnt502>
Message-ID: <42779666.B20F0051@ssa.crane.navy.mil>

"Robert Lawless (BH/LMI)" wrote:
> 
> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> Hey folk,
> i am quite new to X-Forms....i want to use X-Froms to present a UI to the user based on a certain Xml schema....i.e the user enters in data & out pops out an Xml instance according to this schema......would it be possible to make this generic i.e one would be able to attach any schema with X-Forms presenting a suitable UI & when the users inputs the data, out pops the Xml instance according to the inputted schema
> 
> thanks in advance
> Rob

Rob, lets first make sure you are asking in the correct group, as there has
been some confusion in the past.
To us XForms is described at [1] as:
"XForms is a GUI toolkit based on Xlib for X Window Systems. It features a
rich set of objects, such as buttons, scrollbars, and menus etc. integrated
into an easy and efficient object/event callback execution model that allows
fast and easy construction of X-applications. In addition, the library is
extensible and new objects can easily be created and added to the library."

To the W3C, XForms is described at [2] as:
"XForms" is W3C's name for a specification of Web forms that can be used
with a wide variety of platforms including desktop computers, hand helds,
information appliances, and even paper. XForms started life as a subgroup of
the HTML Working Group, but has now been spun off as an independent
Activity.

IIRC, the GUI toolkit definition predates the W3C definition, but they use
it so we get the confusion.

So, do you want to do a X Windows System GUI, or a Web form? :)
if GUI, please ask again here (with some ideas of how you want to use the
Xml schema in XForms) otherwise see the links on [2] under the heading "The
XForms Public Mailing List" (funny, the W3C does not have a nice page with
links to the subsections of its home page :).

[1] http://world.std.com/~xforms/
[2] http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/

-- 
Todd Denniston
Crane Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC Crane) 
Harnessing the Power of Technology for the Warfighter

From lingzsweet at yahoo.com  Thu May 19 11:23:02 2005
From: lingzsweet at yahoo.com (Lings)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 08:23:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [XForms] DTD in Xforms
Message-ID: <20050519152303.65083.qmail@web21323.mail.yahoo.com>

Can I use DTD instead of XML Schema in XForms?


		
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From lingzsweet at yahoo.com  Thu May 19 11:32:27 2005
From: lingzsweet at yahoo.com (Lings)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 08:32:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [XForms] XForms User Interface
Message-ID: <20050519153227.94971.qmail@web21327.mail.yahoo.com>

Hallo, I'm very new in xforms. That's why I'm joining this mailing list.
What I want to ask is :
Is ist possible to use another file (xml file) to specifying the input control in my form?
i.e  template.xml
 
<quality_form>
     <text_field>
         <name/>
         <value/>
     </text_field>
     <checkbox>
         <name/>
         <value/>
     </checkbox>
     <text_area>
         <name/>
         <value/>
     </text_area>
</quality_form>

 
This xml file will "tell" my xforms page to contain 1 text field, 1 check box and 1 text area in the user interface section. With name (as label) and value are specified in the xforms page. This form also generated another xml file that will save the data..

template.xml >> xforms >> data.xml
 
So, can XForms handle this? or should I use other application to support xforms? Or maybe any other solutions?

		
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From tompoe at amihost.com  Fri May 27 19:16:45 2005
From: tompoe at amihost.com (tom poe)
Date: 27 May 2005 16:16:45 -0700
Subject: [XForms] what is the correct URL for download?
Message-ID: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>

ftp://ncmir.ucsd.edu/pub/xforms/linux-i386
doesn't let me download xforms for i386 linux.  I copied the above URL
from the mirror page
http://world.std.com/~xforms/ftp/ftp.html
Thanks,
Tom



From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Sun May 29 09:17:34 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 14:17:34 +0100
Subject: [XForms] what is the correct URL for download?
In-Reply-To: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Saturday 28 May 2005 00:16, tom poe wrote:
> To subscribers of the xforms list
>
>
> ftp://ncmir.ucsd.edu/pub/xforms/linux-i386
> doesn't let me download xforms for i386 linux.  I copied the above
> URL from the mirror page
> http://world.std.com/~xforms/ftp/ftp.html
> Thanks,
> Tom

http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms/

Angus

From jac4 at mindless.com  Wed Jul  6 16:11:22 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 20:11:22 -0000
Subject: [XForms] xforms mailing list
Message-ID: <20050706201121.3269DCDA8F@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

The archive is here, right...?

http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms/

I've been getting 403 forbidden errors there. Where is the archive now?



----- Original Message -----
From: "Angus Leeming" <angus.leeming at btopenworld.com>
To: xforms at bob.usuhs.mil
Subject: Re: [XForms] what is the correct URL for download?
Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 14:17:34 +0100

> 
> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> 
> On Saturday 28 May 2005 00:16, tom poe wrote:
> > To subscribers of the xforms list
> >
> >
> > ftp://ncmir.ucsd.edu/pub/xforms/linux-i386
> > doesn't let me download xforms for i386 linux.  I copied the above
> > URL from the mirror page
> > http://world.std.com/~xforms/ftp/ftp.html
> > Thanks,
> > Tom
> 
> http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms/
> 
> Angus
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see:
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms




From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Wed Jul 20 04:50:25 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 08:50:25 -0000
Subject: [XForms] Re: xforms mailing list
In-Reply-To: <20050706201121.3269DCDA8F@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20050706201121.3269DCDA8F@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <200507200950.09269.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Wednesday 06 July 2005 21:11, jason cipriani wrote:
> The archive is here, right...?
>
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms/
>
> I've been getting 403 forbidden errors there. Where is the archive
> now?

Looks like we have a problem. Bob?

Old archives:
http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/

Angus




From maili at heisch.inka.de  Fri Aug 19 05:08:15 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:08:15 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
Message-ID: <20050819110815.07b6b561@emig4.heisch.inka.de>

To subscribers of the xforms list

Hello

I am using xforms-1.0.90 and have a problem with the input object:
while editing, cursor moves two positions at a single keystroke (cursor
left).

Behaviour seems to be a bug in the library, but I'm not sure.

Is there any workaround you know ?


Thanks for any answers,

Gerald


From bob at bob.usuhs.mil  Fri Aug 26 11:18:18 2005
From: bob at bob.usuhs.mil (Robert Williams)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:18:18 -0400
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Message-ID: <430F32BA.3020607@bob.usuhs.mil>

Dear list,

The list went down just prior to my going on vacation.
I had move to a new machine and new version of OS
and mailman.   Sorry about that.
It should be working well now.  

Best Wishes,
Bob Williams
XForms list administrator



From jac4 at mindless.com  Mon Aug 29 21:38:26 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:38:26 -0500
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Message-ID: <20050830013826.F1D70CDA00@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

The list was actually down since at least July 6th (nearly 7 weeks), unless there was a period of uptime in the middle. Although I was apparently the last person ever to post to this list before it came back up, it seems... I received the post I made 7 weeks ago just a few days ago. 403 Forbidden errors, originally, if I'm not mistaken.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Williams" <bob at bob.usuhs.mil>
To: xforms at bob.usuhs.mil
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:18:18 -0400

> 
> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> Dear list,
> 
> The list went down just prior to my going on vacation.
> I had move to a new machine and new version of OS
> and mailman.   Sorry about that.
> It should be working well now.  Best Wishes,
> Bob Williams
> XForms list administrator
> 
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
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From jac4 at mindless.com  Mon Aug 29 21:39:50 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:39:50 -0500
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Message-ID: <20050830013950.2F069CD9FE@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

Oh, I'm sorry, the 403 errors were for archive access. Which reminds me... what is the correct URL of the xforms mailing list archives now?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Williams" <bob at bob.usuhs.mil>
To: xforms at bob.usuhs.mil
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:18:18 -0400

> 
> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> Dear list,
> 
> The list went down just prior to my going on vacation.
> I had move to a new machine and new version of OS
> and mailman.   Sorry about that.
> It should be working well now.  Best Wishes,
> Bob Williams
> XForms list administrator
> 
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms




From bob at bob.usuhs.mil  Tue Aug 30 08:24:39 2005
From: bob at bob.usuhs.mil (Robert Williams)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 08:24:39 -0400
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
In-Reply-To: <20050830013950.2F069CD9FE@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20050830013950.2F069CD9FE@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <43145007.2080103@bob.usuhs.mil>

Dear Jason and list,

The archive access was also broken, I don't know when.
This is now restored, thanks to Jason for seeing this.
The correct URLs are as they were, listed below,
unless I'm missing something else.   The server should be
stable now for the next few years.

Bob,
XForms list admin

jason cipriani wrote:

>To subscribers of the xforms list
>
>Oh, I'm sorry, the 403 errors were for archive access. Which reminds me... what is the correct URL of the xforms mailing list archives now?
>  
>
>_______________________________________________
>To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
>xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
>http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
>XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
>List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
>http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
>Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms
>
>  
>



From maili at heisch.inka.de  Wed Aug 31 00:55:55 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 06:55:55 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
Message-ID: <20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>

To subscribers of the xforms list

Hello

I am using xforms-1.0.90 and have a problem with the input object:
while editing, cursor moves two positions at a single keystroke (cursor
left).

Behaviour seems to be a bug in the library, but I'm not sure.

Is there any workaround you know ?


Thanks for any answers,

Gerald


From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Wed Aug 31 04:55:42 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:55:42 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de> (Gerald Emig's
	message of "Wed, 31 Aug 2005 06:55:55 +0200")
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
Message-ID: <liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:

Gerald> To subscribers of the xforms list To subscribers of the xforms
Gerald> list

Gerald> Hello

Gerald> I am using xforms-1.0.90 and have a problem with the input
Gerald> object: while editing, cursor moves two positions at a single
Gerald> keystroke (cursor left).

Gerald> Behaviour seems to be a bug in the library, but I'm not sure.

Gerald> Is there any workaround you know ?

I do not know that problem. Could you give more details about your
settings?

JMarc


From maili at heisch.inka.de  Wed Aug 31 06:41:29 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:41:29 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
Message-ID: <20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de>



On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:55:42 +0200
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr> wrote:

> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> >>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:
> 
> Gerald> To subscribers of the xforms list To subscribers of the xforms
> Gerald> list
> 
> Gerald> Hello
> 
> Gerald> I am using xforms-1.0.90 and have a problem with the input
> Gerald> object: while editing, cursor moves two positions at a single
> Gerald> keystroke (cursor left).
> 
> Gerald> Behaviour seems to be a bug in the library, but I'm not sure.
> 
> Gerald> Is there any workaround you know ?
> 
> I do not know that problem. Could you give more details about your
> settings?

I use Suse Linux 9.1
I see this double jumping of the cursor in the input object I place on a
form as well as in the attributes dialogue of fdesign.
In a multiline input, hitting return produces two new lines...

Observation: ^b moves left correctly, Cursor Left not.



> 
> JMarc
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms


From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Wed Aug 31 07:43:02 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:43:02 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de> (Gerald Emig's
	message of "Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:41:29 +0200")
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
Message-ID: <liyzmqys56h.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:

Gerald> I use Suse Linux 9.1 I see this double jumping of the cursor
Gerald> in the input object I place on a form as well as in the
Gerald> attributes dialogue of fdesign. In a multiline input, hitting
Gerald> return produces two new lines...

Gerald> Observation: ^b moves left correctly, Cursor Left not.

Did you compile by yourself, or was xforms 1.0.90 bundled by suse?
They apply a big extra patch to xforms to support CJK
(chinese-japanese-korean) input, it this patch is probably not
perfect... 

You could try to report this bug to suse directly, or to build your
own xforms 1.0.90 to see whether it helps.

JMarc


From maili at heisch.inka.de  Wed Aug 31 08:13:13 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:13:13 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <liyzmqys56h.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyzmqys56h.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
Message-ID: <20050831141313.04d318ee@emig4.heisch.inka.de>

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:43:02 +0200
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr> wrote:

> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> >>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:
> 
> Gerald> I use Suse Linux 9.1 I see this double jumping of the cursor
> Gerald> in the input object I place on a form as well as in the
> Gerald> attributes dialogue of fdesign. In a multiline input, hitting
> Gerald> return produces two new lines...
> 
> Gerald> Observation: ^b moves left correctly, Cursor Left not.
> 
> Did you compile by yourself, or was xforms 1.0.90 bundled by suse?
> They apply a big extra patch to xforms to support CJK
> (chinese-japanese-korean) input, it this patch is probably not
> perfect... 

Thank you very much for the hint.

I use the Suse package, but I'll try to compile xforms myself as soon as
possible with suse 9.1 (I do not want to break my working environment
at the moment).

In the meanwhile I tried xforms under the recent suse 9.3.
First of all I had to compile the library myself because they do not
support it anymore (at least it seems so).
But with this self compiled lib all works great.


Thank you

Gerald 

> 
> You could try to report this bug to suse directly, or to build your
> own xforms 1.0.90 to see whether it helps.
> 
> JMarc
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms


From maili at heisch.inka.de  Sat Sep  3 12:20:52 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 18:20:52 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <20050831141313.04d318ee@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyzmqys56h.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<20050831141313.04d318ee@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
Message-ID: <20050903182052.6f9902c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>


Hello all,

I compiled xforms myself and this solved the problem.
Thanks for your help.

Gerald


On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:13:13 +0200
Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> wrote:

> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:43:02 +0200
> Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr> wrote:
> 
> > To subscribers of the xforms list
> > 
> > >>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:
> > 
> > Gerald> I use Suse Linux 9.1 I see this double jumping of the cursor
> > Gerald> in the input object I place on a form as well as in the
> > Gerald> attributes dialogue of fdesign. In a multiline input,
> > hitting Gerald> return produces two new lines...
> > 
> > Gerald> Observation: ^b moves left correctly, Cursor Left not.
> > 
> > Did you compile by yourself, or was xforms 1.0.90 bundled by suse?
> > They apply a big extra patch to xforms to support CJK
> > (chinese-japanese-korean) input, it this patch is probably not
> > perfect... 
> 
> Thank you very much for the hint.
> 
> I use the Suse package, but I'll try to compile xforms myself as soon
> as possible with suse 9.1 (I do not want to break my working
> environment at the moment).
> 
> In the meanwhile I tried xforms under the recent suse 9.3.
> First of all I had to compile the library myself because they do not
> support it anymore (at least it seems so).
> But with this self compiled lib all works great.
> 
> 
> Thank you
> 
> Gerald 
> 
> > 
> > You could try to report this bug to suse directly, or to build your
> > own xforms 1.0.90 to see whether it helps.
> > 
> > JMarc
> > _______________________________________________
> > To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> > xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> > http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> > XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> > List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> > http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> > Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms



Gerald Emig

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From carsten.voss at rmit.edu.au  Mon Oct 10 03:21:34 2005
From: carsten.voss at rmit.edu.au (Carsten Voss)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:21:34 +1000
Subject: [XForms] xforms and glibc 2.3, newer verson available?
Message-ID: <s34aa33f.045@its-gw-inet57.its.rmit.edu.au>

Hi Folks,

I cannot seem to find a source download or an Linux RPM of xforms that will work on glibc2.3?
Any advice most welcome. Thanks.

I have installed version  xforms-0.89-3 which I believe is intended for glibc2.1. Unfortunitely I try and compile wulffman (which uses xforms) I receive referencing errors from libforms.a.

best regards,
Carsten Voss




From dadembro at rockwellcollins.com  Mon Oct 10 10:05:06 2005
From: dadembro at rockwellcollins.com (dadembro at rockwellcollins.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:05:06 -0400
Subject: [XForms] xforms and glibc 2.3, newer verson available?
In-Reply-To: <s34aa33f.045@its-gw-inet57.its.rmit.edu.au>
Message-ID: <OF25AB0DAF.0401B0BB-ON85257096.004CE817-85257096.004D5EFD@rockwellcollins.com>

Carsten,

For the latest source try:
      http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms

Slainte,
---d.dembrow



                                                                           
             "Carsten Voss"                                                
             <carsten.voss at rmi                                             
             t.edu.au>                                                  To 
             Sent by:                  <xforms at bob.usuhs.mil>              
             xforms-bounces at bo                                          cc 
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                                                                   Subject 
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             10/10/2005 03:21          newer verson available?             
             AM                                                            
                                                                           
                                                                           
                                                                           
                                                                           
                                                                           




To subscribers of the xforms list

Hi Folks,

I cannot seem to find a source download or an Linux RPM of xforms that will
work on glibc2.3?
Any advice most welcome. Thanks.

I have installed version  xforms-0.89-3 which I believe is intended for
glibc2.1. Unfortunitely I try and compile wulffman (which uses xforms) I
receive referencing errors from libforms.a.

best regards,
Carsten Voss


_______________________________________________
To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see:
http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
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http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms




From GalbraithP at dfo-mpo.gc.ca  Tue Oct 11 10:54:01 2005
From: GalbraithP at dfo-mpo.gc.ca (Peter Galbraith)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:54:01 -0400
Subject: [XForms] xforms and glibc 2.3, newer verson available? 
In-Reply-To: Message from <dadembro@rockwellcollins.com> of "Mon,
	10 Oct 2005 10:05:06 EDT."
	<OF25AB0DAF.0401B0BB-ON85257096.004CE817-85257096.004D5EFD@rockwellcollins.com>
References: <OF25AB0DAF.0401B0BB-ON85257096.004CE817-85257096.004D5EFD@rockwellcollins.com>
Message-ID: <20051011145401.00A1E10A74A@mixing.qc.dfo.ca>

<dadembro at rockwellcollins.com> wrote:

> For the latest source try:
>       http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms

Debian is still using the stable release 1.0

Given that 1.0.90 has been a candidate for over one year without
apparent problems, would I update Debian with that?

Thanks,

Peter


From gnushi at gmx.net  Sat Oct 22 11:18:59 2005
From: gnushi at gmx.net (Gnu Shi)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 17:18:59 +0200
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
Message-ID: <1129994339.7002.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>


Hi!

It is a bit hard to find this list. There seems no advertisment at
http://savannah.nongnu.org/mail/?group=xforms

Are you still working on XForms?

GnuShi


-- 



From jac4 at mindless.com  Sat Oct 22 14:25:41 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 13:25:41 -0500
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
Message-ID: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

> Hi!
> 
> It is a bit hard to find this list. There seems no advertisment at
> http://savannah.nongnu.org/mail/?group=xforms
> 
> Are you still working on XForms?
> 
> GnuShi

I have been wondering the same thing. There has not been an update in quite 
some time. A while ago, there was a flurry of patches and activity but a new 
official release never came out.

Speaking of which, if you're looking for a new maintainer or some help... 
*cough* *cough*. Although it's been some time since I personally dug into the 
code at all, but I can definitely think of a few improvements here and there. 
In any case if you guys are planning on another official release any time 
soon I do have some things here and there I'd like to fix that I can submit 
patches for. XForms seems to be getting a bit old and dusty.

Jason

> 
> 
> --
> 
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see:
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms




From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Mon Oct 24 08:54:12 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:54:12 +0200
Subject: [XForms] xforms and glibc 2.3, newer verson available?
In-Reply-To: <20051011145401.00A1E10A74A@mixing.qc.dfo.ca> (Peter Galbraith's
	message of "Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:54:01 -0400")
References: <OF25AB0DAF.0401B0BB-ON85257096.004CE817-85257096.004D5EFD@rockwellcollins.com>
	<20051011145401.00A1E10A74A@mixing.qc.dfo.ca>
Message-ID: <liyk6g313ez.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Peter" == Peter Galbraith <GalbraithP at dfo-mpo.gc.ca> writes:

Peter> To subscribers of the xforms list
Peter> <dadembro at rockwellcollins.com> wrote:

>> For the latest source try:
>> http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms

Peter> Debian is still using the stable release 1.0

Peter> Given that 1.0.90 has been a candidate for over one year
Peter> without apparent problems, would I update Debian with that?

Yes, I think you should.

JMarc


From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Mon Oct 24 09:03:23 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 15:03:23 +0200
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
In-Reply-To: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> (jason
	cipriani's message of "Sat, 22 Oct 2005 13:25:41 -0500")
References: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <liyirvn12zo.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "jason" == jason cipriani <jac4 at mindless.com> writes:

jason> I have been wondering the same thing. There has not been an
jason> update in quite some time. A while ago, there was a flurry of
jason> patches and activity but a new official release never came out.

The sad truth is that nothing is happening. We should have released
xforms 1.1 ages ago and there is no sign that this is going to
happen... 

jason> Speaking of which, if you're looking for a new maintainer or
jason> some help... *cough* *cough*. Although it's been some time
jason> since I personally dug into the code at all, but I can
jason> definitely think of a few improvements here and there. 

It might be a good solution indeed, although I can't speak for Angus.

jason> In any case if you guys are planning on another official
jason> release any time soon I do have some things here and there I'd
jason> like to fix that I can submit patches for.

I can't speak for Angus, but personally I'd like at least to release a
1.1 version with what we have now (plus the fl_set_locale() patch that
I never got around to apply). What do you have in store?

jason> XForms seems to be getting a bit old and dusty.

Sure.

JMarc


From Gayle.C.Roth at nasa.gov  Mon Oct 24 09:55:27 2005
From: Gayle.C.Roth at nasa.gov (Gayle C Roth)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 09:55:27 -0400
Subject: [XForms] xforms on VMS
Message-ID: <5.1.1.5.2.20051024094416.0100b8f0@popserve.grc.nasa.gov>

Hi,

I'm using a version of xforms I built on a VMS 7.3-2 system.  The 
application I'm building necessitates the use of a hibernate/wake mechanism 
(the program I'm working with calls the VMS system service 
sys$hiber).  I've found that, at least initially, a single call to 
sys$hiber is not enough -- it takes 2 calls to sys$hiber before the program 
actually hibernates.  I further discovered that this is because xforms is 
somehow setting the "wake-pending" bit.  Does anyone have an idea why and 
where xforms is setting this bit, and how I can keep it from happening?

Thanks,
Gayle




From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Tue Oct 25 05:18:53 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:18:53 +0100
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
In-Reply-To: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <200510251018.53224.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Saturday 22 October 2005 19:25, jason cipriani wrote:
> > It is a bit hard to find this list. There seems no advertisment at
> > http://savannah.nongnu.org/mail/?group=xforms

Patches are always welcome. Personally, I've no real html skills.

> > Are you still working on XForms?

Not really :)

> > GnuShi
>
> I have been wondering the same thing. There has not been an update in quite
> some time. A while ago, there was a flurry of patches and activity but a
> new official release never came out.

I got stuck trying to resolve what I believe is a major flaw. However, I 
eventually gave up because I do't have the X11 skills to fix the problem 
correctly. Tha's a shame, because the flaw is actually just a kludge in one 
small piece of code; someone with the right skills could probably fix it in a 
day.

> Speaking of which, if you're looking for a new maintainer or some help...
> *cough* *cough*. Although it's been some time since I personally dug into
> the code at all, but I can definitely think of a few improvements here and
> there. In any case if you guys are planning on another official release any
> time soon I do have some things here and there I'd like to fix that I can
> submit patches for. XForms seems to be getting a bit old and dusty.

Great! I think I'm going to grab your offer with both hands. My XForms days 
are very limited I'm afraid as I'm soon going to be empoyed by a company that 
actively prohibits GPL software development. OK, XForms is LGPL-licenced, 
but...

Please set up a savannah account if you don't have one already and mail me the 
details. I'll add you to the project's list of administrators.

Angus


From jac4 at mindless.com  Thu Oct 27 12:04:16 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:04:16 -0500
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
Message-ID: <20051027160418.E30DBCDA09@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

> I got stuck trying to resolve what I believe is a major flaw. However, I
> eventually gave up because I do't have the X11 skills to fix the problem
> correctly. Tha's a shame, because the flaw is actually just a kludge in one
> small piece of code; someone with the right skills could probably fix it in a
> day.

What is the flaw?

> Great! I think I'm going to grab your offer with both hands. My XForms days
> are very limited I'm afraid as I'm soon going to be empoyed by a company that
> actively prohibits GPL software development. OK, XForms is LGPL-licenced,
> but...
> 
> Please set up a savannah account if you don't have one already and mail me the
> details. I'll add you to the project's list of administrators.

Honestly, I didn't expect my offer to be met with such enthusiasm ;) I have a side project that I'm working on right now which will be finished around mid-December. Once that is over with, I will set up a Savannah account and give you the details. In the mean time, I'll put together all the changes I've made. They're all relatively minor, mostly fdesign related. After this project clears up then I'll have the time to start working on XForms more actively. I'll get back to you soon.

Jason




From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Thu Oct 27 12:19:02 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:19:02 +0100
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
In-Reply-To: <20051027160418.E30DBCDA09@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20051027160418.E30DBCDA09@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <200510271719.02876.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Thursday 27 October 2005 17:04, jason cipriani wrote:
> > I got stuck trying to resolve what I believe is a major flaw. However, I
> > eventually gave up because I do't have the X11 skills to fix the problem
> > correctly. Tha's a shame, because the flaw is actually just a kludge in
> > one small piece of code; someone with the right skills could probably fix
> > it in a day.
>
> What is the flaw?

In forms.c:

#if 1
    /* this is an ugly hack. This is necessary due to popup pointer grab
       where a button release is eaten. Really should do a send event from
       the pop-up routines */

    if (fl_pushobj && !button_down(fl_keymask) /* && event == FL_ENTER */ )
    {
	obj = fl_pushobj;
	fl_pushobj = NULL;
	fl_handle_object(obj, FL_RELEASE, xx, yy, key, xev);
    }
#endif

It has unpleasant consequences all over the place.

> Honestly, I didn't expect my offer to be met with such enthusiasm ;) I have
> a side project that I'm working on right now which will be finished around
> mid-December. Once that is over with, I will set up a Savannah account and
> give you the details. In the mean time, I'll put together all the changes
> I've made. They're all relatively minor, mostly fdesign related. After this
> project clears up then I'll have the time to start working on XForms more
> actively. I'll get back to you soon.

Great!
Angus


From s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk  Mon Dec  5 10:12:20 2005
From: s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk (Sheila R. Bryant)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:12:20 +0000
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Solaris
Message-ID: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>

Hi everyone,

I'm trying to build xforms-1.0.90 on a Solaris 9 machine. I'm using 
gcc-3.2.2 to compile, and

./configure --prefix=/opt/tools --enable-demos --enable-warnings \
             --disable-gl

The problem comes when the demos are being built, ibrowser will not 
link, and I get

gcc -g -O -Wall -o .libs/ibrowser ibrowser.o  -L/usr/openwin/lib 
-L/opt/graphics/lib -L/opt/GNU/gcc-3.2.2/lib -L/opt/GNU/lib 
../image/.libs/libflimage.so ../lib/.libs/libforms.so -lSM -lICE 
/opt/graphics/lib/libjpeg.so -lXpm -lX11 -lsocket -lnsl -lc -lm 
-R/opt/tools/lib -R/opt/graphics/lib -R/usr/openwin/lib 
-R/opt/GNU/gcc-3.2.2/lib -R/opt/GNU/lib
Undefined                       first referenced
  symbol                             in file
.LLC90                              ../image/.libs/libflimage.so
ld: fatal: Symbol referencing errors. No output written to .libs/ibrowser
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
gmake[2]: *** [ibrowser] Error 1
gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/home/opt-user/download/xforms-1.0.90/demos'
gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/home/opt-user/download/xforms-1.0.90/demos'
gmake: *** [all-recursive] Error 1


This is a completely new one to me, and Google is not throwing up 
anything helpful. Does anyone have any ideas on what I might try? My aim 
is to get Lyx up and running, but until I can solve (or sidestep) this 
problem, I'm stuck.

Many thanks
-- 

Sheila
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dr. Sheila Bryant                        Software Applications Support
Email: S.R.Bryant at reading.ac.uk          Dept. of Meteorology,
Phone: 0118 378 6395                     University of Reading,

--------------------------------------------------------------------------


From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Mon Dec  5 10:23:50 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:23:50 +0000
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Solaris
In-Reply-To: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <200512051523.50227.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Monday 05 December 2005 15:12, Sheila R. Bryant wrote:
> This is a completely new one to me, and Google is not throwing up
> anything helpful. Does anyone have any ideas on what I might try? My aim
> is to get Lyx up and running, but until I can solve (or sidestep) this
> problem, I'm stuck.

Hi, Sheila. I've never seen this bug before, but if you want to compile XForms 
only to get LyX up and running, you don't really need the demos ;-)

Angus


From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Mon Dec  5 10:26:53 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:26:53 +0100
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Solaris
In-Reply-To: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk> (Sheila R. Bryant's message of
	"Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:12:20 +0000")
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Sheila" == Sheila R Bryant <s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk> writes:

Sheila> This is a completely new one to me, and Google is not throwing
Sheila> up anything helpful. Does anyone have any ideas on what I
Sheila> might try? My aim is to get Lyx up and running, but until I
Sheila> can solve (or sidestep) this problem, I'm stuck.

This is indeed weird, never heard of that.

But if you do not build the demos, everything is right, isn't it?

JMarc

PS: of course, you can also use the qt version of LyX, but I should
not say that here :)


From s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk  Mon Dec  5 10:43:06 2005
From: s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk (Sheila R. Bryant)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:43:06 +0000
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Solaris
In-Reply-To: <liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
	<liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
Message-ID: <4394600A.9040809@reading.ac.uk>

Hi JMarc,

Well, if I don't build the demos, xforms claims to build OK, but when I 
try to build LyX I get this problem come up. All the demos that build 
seem to run OK - assorted boxes, buttons, forms etc come up and go away 
in a controlled manner.

Where LyX falls down is in a test to find flimage_dup; I can reproduce 
the error with a test.c

char flimage_dup ();
int
main ()
{
flimage_dup ();
   ;
   return 0;
}

compiled with

gcc -o test test.c -L/opt/tools/lib -lflimage -ljpeg -lforms -lXpm

Hope that sheds some more light

Cheers

Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
>>>>>>"Sheila" == Sheila R Bryant <s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk> writes:
> 
> 
> Sheila> This is a completely new one to me, and Google is not throwing
> Sheila> up anything helpful. Does anyone have any ideas on what I
> Sheila> might try? My aim is to get Lyx up and running, but until I
> Sheila> can solve (or sidestep) this problem, I'm stuck.
> 
> This is indeed weird, never heard of that.
> 
> But if you do not build the demos, everything is right, isn't it?
> 
> JMarc
> 
> PS: of course, you can also use the qt version of LyX, but I should
> not say that here :)

-- 

Sheila
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dr. Sheila Bryant                        Software Applications Support
Email: S.R.Bryant at reading.ac.uk          Dept. of Meteorology,
Phone: 0118 378 6395                     University of Reading,

--------------------------------------------------------------------------


From mcrespo at ictp.trieste.it  Wed Dec  7 05:52:33 2005
From: mcrespo at ictp.trieste.it (CRESPO MARIA LIZ)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:52:33 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Windows
In-Reply-To: <liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
	<liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512071145360.31165@ssh-2>


what about building Xforms on Windows? Could someone tell me something 
about it?
Thank you.
Regards,
Maria Liz


**********************************************
Dr. Maria Liz Crespo
ICTP-INFN Laboratory
the Abdus Salam International Centre for Theoretical Physics
Via Beirut 31
34100 - Trieste (Italy)
Tel: 39 040 2249930
Fax: 39 040 224600
**********************************************


From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Wed Dec  7 06:27:09 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 12:27:09 +0100
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Windows
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512071145360.31165@ssh-2> (CRESPO MARIA LIZ's
	message of "Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:52:33 +0100 (CET)")
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
	<liyr78r1s5e.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0512071145360.31165@ssh-2>
Message-ID: <liy8xuxywoi.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "CRESPO" == CRESPO MARIA LIZ <mcrespo at ictp.trieste.it> writes:

CRESPO> To subscribers of the xforms list what about building Xforms
CRESPO> on Windows? Could someone tell me something about it? 

You need cygwin and an X server. Other than that, it is supposed to
work with the latest 1.0.90 version. I'd be interested to know whether
it really works, though.

In might even work with mingw, I do not actually know.

JMarc


From christof.hoeke at e-7.com  Tue Feb  8 05:35:57 2005
From: christof.hoeke at e-7.com (christof.hoeke at e-7.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:35:57 +0100
Subject: [XForms] Xforms or XHTML 1.0 Forms Module
Message-ID: <96849388D2102F40AEF198798540F2E1E6B8E2@gt1mail1.gt.da-ag.local>

Hi,
A question regarding which forms dialect to choose as a basis for a web application processing framework.

Background
We developed a custom XML format to be used to describe and process (web) forms which itself is part of a custom XML format basically describing (web) pages and a processing/workflow part.
For the frontend it is transformed via XSLT to HTML/CSS to target desktop browsers (may later also be PDA or whatever). So the format has to include enough information for a semantically sufficient processing in it (accessibility is an issue). The layout information is in the enclosing format.
For the backend the same format is used for a kind of basic workflow and of course the processing of the input data (delegation to other applications, storing, validation etc).

For the next version currently in development the format needs to be changed anyway (not the best yet as it is more or less a pure layout format yet and not even complete regarding all form possibilities [grouping of option elements etc]). 
So we thought of using a standard format for the forms part of the format (which currently cannot be changed as a whole as it is also used for CMS generated static pages and which should not be needed anyway if just adding forms as a module). 

Anyway, we looked into Xforms (XTHML 2.0 forms) but wondered if they bring enough advantages compared to the second option, using simply XHTML 1.0 Forms.

Xforms:
- new format, needs to be learned and implemented, higher learning curve+ new standard and therefore possibly more futureproove format
- for basic layout information maybe label needing to be child of input (is this actually mandatory?) cannot easily be transformed to the HTML <label for="ID"> <input id="ID"> possibility
+ includes validation and separation of model and view
... Lots more of course

XHTML 1.0 Forms:
+ lots of experience, known format and fairly simple, easy to use
+ of course includes all elements we need for a transformation to HTML (fieldset/legend, input+label, @accesskey, @tabindex etc)
- validation/data-types and other stuff needs to be added with custom or Xforms parts
...

Maybe we don't yet understand Xforms right, but at the moment we tend to use XHTML 1.0 forms for the following reasons/questions, maybe anyone can share his opinions?
* can Xforms describe *all* possible HTML form elements without the need to add custom extensions? 
	* above <label for="ID"> <input id="ID"> example which seems difficult in XForms
	* fieldset/legend elements, select/optgroup/option elements etc
* submitting XML from the browser does not work yet so this part of Xforms would have to be committed anyway
* new widgets (range widget) cannot be used on browsers yet either
* workload to integrate Xforms compared to XHTML 1.0 forms seems much higher 
* later migration to xforms should not be too difficult

Any opinions would be great, thanks a lot 
chris



From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Tue Feb  8 06:55:01 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 12:55:01 +0100
Subject: [XForms] Xforms or XHTML 1.0 Forms Module
In-Reply-To: <96849388D2102F40AEF198798540F2E1E6B8E2@gt1mail1.gt.da-ag.local>
	(christof hoeke's message of "Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:35:57 +0100")
References: <96849388D2102F40AEF198798540F2E1E6B8E2@gt1mail1.gt.da-ag.local>
Message-ID: <liyy8dznu5m.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Christof" ==   <christof.hoeke at e-7.com> writes:

Christof> Hi, A question regarding which forms dialect to choose as a
Christof> basis for a web application processing framework.

Hello, you found the wrong xforms list. This list is for discussing
the old and venerable xforms GUI toolkit, not the new and exciting
XForms w3c standard (or whatever) :)

JMarc


From psg at debian.org  Tue Feb  8 09:22:41 2005
From: psg at debian.org (Peter S Galbraith)
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:22:41 -0500
Subject: [XForms] Re: XForms: Documentation 
In-Reply-To: Message from "T.C. Zhao" <tc_zhao@yahoo.com> 
	<20030908154838.51918.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com> 
References: <20030908154838.51918.qmail@web13407.mail.yahoo.com> 
Message-ID: <20050208142241.8683AAB07E@mixing.qc.dfo.ca>

On Sept 8th 2003, T.C. Zhao <tc_zhao at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Sorry for the delay and thanks for the info. GPL it is.
> 
> I am currently travelling and will be back home end of September. Expect the
> free manual in October sometime.
> 
> -TC
> --- Peter S Galbraith <psg at debian.org> wrote:
> > To subscribers of the xforms list
> > 
> > 
> > T.C. Zhao <tc_zhao at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > All I need to do is boot up my old linux box and recover the doc
> > > and send it.  Will do this sometime in April (I've been travelling,
> > > and am sending this email from Tokyo).
> > > -TC
> > 
> > Hi T.C.,
> > 
> > I really hate to keep nagging you like this.  :-)
> > 
> > You meant to release the sources of the XForms manual last April but
> > never got around to it.  This is a reminder.  Also, please avoid using
> > the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) since it not a free software
> > license and therefore cannot be included in the Debian distribution.
> > Using the GPL would be fine.

Hello T.C.,

Consider this another nudge to release the sources of the XForms
manual.  On the plus side, I didn't nag you in 2004.  ;-)

Please consider taking some time to actually do this now, while the
sources still exist, and before you get hit by a bus or something and
they are gone forever.  The XForms sources have been free for a long
time now (Thanks!) and they really should have free documentation.

Thanks,
-- 
Peter S. Galbraith, Debian Developer          <psg at debian.org>
                                 http://people.debian.org/~psg
GPG key 1024/D2A913A1 - 97CE 866F F579 96EE  6E68 8170 35FF 799E


From msz at astrouw.edu.pl  Fri Mar 11 16:24:12 2005
From: msz at astrouw.edu.pl (Michal Szymanski)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:24:12 +0100
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
Message-ID: <20050311212412.GA13751@astrouw.edu.pl>

Hi,

I have a pretty complicated XForms application for controlling the
telscope. One of the object used is a "normal" (no selection) browser
for displaying messages to the user. I have noticed that the mouse wheel
(functioning, as reported by "xev", as Button 4 & 5) works mostly as
expected, i.e. scrolling the browser. Howerver, quite often, possibly
(although I am not sure) when the browser has many lines and I rotate
the wheel fast, the whole application crashes badly.

As such a crash is a very bad thing while the user is observing with the
telescope, I would like to disable the wheel, possibly only for that
browser (or my XForms application), as it worls fine in other
applications like xterm or mozilla. Is it doable?

regards, Michal. 

-- 
  Michal Szymanski (msz at astrouw dot edu dot pl)
  Warsaw University Observatory, Warszawa, POLAND


From jac4 at mindless.com  Sun Mar 13 01:21:04 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 01:21:04 -0500
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
Message-ID: <20050313062104.5B3C4CDA29@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

> As such a crash is a very bad thing while the user is observing with the
> telescope, I would like to disable the wheel, possibly only for that
> browser (or my XForms application), as it worls fine in other
> applications like xterm or mozilla. Is it doable?

I am not certain, but you may be able to do this with fl_set_object_prehandler(). You can set a prehandler for your browser and check to see if the xevent is a mouse wheel button event. If it is then return FL_PREEMPT from the prehandler, and that should prevent the event from reaching the browser.

Documentation is here:
http://www.public.iastate.edu/~xforms/node6.html#6888

It's weird that it crashes, though. When you say it only happens in browsers with a lot of items, how many items is "a lot"?

Jason


From xforms2 at vjet.demon.co.uk  Sun Mar 13 17:11:44 2005
From: xforms2 at vjet.demon.co.uk (Clive A Stubbings)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:11:44 GMT
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
Message-ID: <200503132211.j2DMBiQ3001137@vjet.demon.co.uk>

Michal Szymanski  said:

> Howerver, quite often, possibly
> (although I am not sure) when the browser has many lines and I rotate
> the wheel fast, the whole application crashes badly.

jason cipriani said:

> It's weird that it crashes, though. When you say it only happens in
> browsers with a lot of items, how many items is "a lot"?

I'm with Jason on this one. I'd bet its a code bug in your app.. I use
big browser lists and I had exactly the same symptom. I spent a while 
suspecting xforms too - but it was me ;-(

If it helps at all, in my case, the root cause was it was a callback
being called with no line selected in the browser. I didn't check,
and ended up dereferenced a wild pointer and core-dumped.

Cheers
Clive


From msz at astrouw.edu.pl  Sun Mar 13 23:27:16 2005
From: msz at astrouw.edu.pl (Michal Szymanski)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 05:27:16 +0100
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
In-Reply-To: <200503132211.j2DMBiQ3001137@vjet.demon.co.uk>
References: <200503132211.j2DMBiQ3001137@vjet.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20050314042716.GA17162@astrouw.edu.pl>

> > Howerver, quite often, possibly
> > (although I am not sure) when the browser has many lines and I rotate
> > the wheel fast, the whole application crashes badly.
> 
> jason cipriani said:
> 
> > It's weird that it crashes, though. When you say it only happens in
> > browsers with a lot of items, how many items is "a lot"?
> 
> I'm with Jason on this one. I'd bet its a code bug in your app.. I use
> big browser lists and I had exactly the same symptom. I spent a while 
> suspecting xforms too - but it was me ;-(
> 
> If it helps at all, in my case, the root cause was it was a callback
> being called with no line selected in the browser. I didn't check,
> and ended up dereferenced a wild pointer and core-dumped.

It well might be a code bug. As I said before, the crashes are random
and my guess to link them to the number of lines in the browser and/or
the speed of rotating the mice wheel may be wrong. Unfortunately it is a
kind of "production" application, controlling real hardware, so I cannot
make too many experiments.

"A lot of lines" may be several thousand. The browser gets the messages
from the telescope control system, I would estimate this to 1600-1800
lines per night and the program can run several weeks if everything is
going fine.

As for the "callback" suggestion: it is a FL_NORMAL_BROWSER, so AFAIK
there should be no interaction requiring callbacks. Just the scrolling.

I managed to disable mouse buttons 4 & 5 (wheel) for the browser using
"prehandler".

regards, Michal.

-- 
  Michal Szymanski (msz at astrouw dot edu dot pl)
  Warsaw University Observatory, Warszawa, POLAND


From jac4 at mindless.com  Mon Mar 14 00:16:20 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 00:16:20 -0500
Subject: [XForms] mouse wheel in browser crashes whole app
Message-ID: <20050314051620.9FBD62000B@ws1-1a.us4.outblaze.com>

> It well might be a code bug. As I said before, the crashes are random
> and my guess to link them to the number of lines in the browser and/or
> the speed of rotating the mice wheel may be wrong. Unfortunately it is a
> kind of "production" application, controlling real hardware, so I cannot
> make too many experiments.
> 
> "A lot of lines" may be several thousand. The browser gets the messages
> from the telescope control system, I would estimate this to 1600-1800
> lines per night and the program can run several weeks if everything is
> going fine.

Not related to XForms, but here's a design hint: If your application crashes, and that's really bad, write another program that constantly watches your application to see if it crashes, and restarts it if it does. For example, a program that fork+exec's your program, then waitpid's for it to terminate. I also write software to control/automate a lot of hardware stuff, and I speak from many unpleasant experiences. ;( Not much worse than coming back to work on Monday only to find your software crashed sometime Saturday morning.

Alternatively, if you don't trust your toolkit, I might also recommend taking more of a client/server approach where your "server" is always controlling/logging telescope data and your "client" is a separate process that is just a GUI that you can monitor the server with. That way, if XForms hiccups, the GUI will crash but you won't lose any data/control.

Anyways I made a browser with 30000 lines in it just for grins and moved the wheel up and down for about 5 whole minutes with no problems, I'd look into other areas to find the problem. Disabling the mouse wheel may solve one of the symptoms but if it's a weird bug then you don't know what other problems may be going on behind the scenes.

Well, good luck with your application. Sounds interesting. :)


From dstrang at chartermi.net  Thu Apr  7 21:02:24 2005
From: dstrang at chartermi.net (David Strang)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 21:02:24 -0400
Subject: [XForms] CygWin and Xforms 1.0.2
Message-ID: <000e01c53bd6$a1543e20$6401a8c0@athlon24>

I have been trying to get this version of xforms fully functional under Cygwin 
and now is time for enabling the GL demos. Configure can't find the glx header
file even though GL is installed and  glx.h and other GL files seem to exist
inside the "C:\cygwin\usr\X11R6\include\GL" folder. 

Could this be a path issue? But why doesn't GL get searched but the rest of
the stuff does?

Doesn't configure know where the GL stuff exists?

Any help here is appreciated...it must be something I'm over looking.

Regards,
Dave Strang


From jason.bentz at lmco.com  Tue Apr 19 13:40:29 2005
From: jason.bentz at lmco.com (Bentz, Jason)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:40:29 -0500
Subject: [XForms] xforms Window Moving Problem
Message-ID: <BE12A2C28D407645B76E15220BAAD9CF751659@emss02m19.us.lmco.com>

I'm using xforms-1.0.90 installed on Red Hat Linux Enterprise 3.0, and
have a GUI that was designed using xforms.  The problem I'm experiencing
is when trying to move the window that the GUI is in, on the desktop.
When I click & hold on the menu bar to move the window around the
desktop, sometimes I move the mouse pointer, and the window does not
follow, or will jump to the current location of the pointer after a
couple seconds.  It's very annoying, because it's unpredictable as to
what it will do.
 
I started playing around with some of the demo files, so that users
would be able to confirm or deny my findings.
 
fbrowse:
    One click on the menu bar (click and release) allows moving of the
window, then clicking (and release) to drop the window in it's place.
It takes about 2 seconds to respond to this first click though (the
window stays in it's current location, then jumps to the pointer
location).  Clicking and holding seems to respond the same way.
 
wwwl:
    Same as above.
 
cursor:
    Click and hold, then drag only responds every other time.  (I.E., if
I do that procedure once, the window moves, a second time, it doesn't, a
third time it does, a forth time it doesn't.)
 
symbols:
    Click and hold, then drag does not work at all, but if you unclick,
the window then follows the cursor.
 
Has anyone experienced these problems and come up with a work around for
it?  I would prefer that it respond as Windows does, in that you have to
click and hold, then drag, then release to drop the window.  When we had
this GUI working on an old DEC Alpha workstation, it behaved in this
way.
 

Jason


From xyzzy at speakeasy.org  Tue Apr 19 15:48:37 2005
From: xyzzy at speakeasy.org (Trent Piepho)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:48:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [XForms] xforms Window Moving Problem
In-Reply-To: <BE12A2C28D407645B76E15220BAAD9CF751659@emss02m19.us.lmco.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.04.10504191246100.14543-100000@c-24-18-248-22.hsd1.wa.comcast.net>

On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Bentz, Jason wrote:
> I'm using xforms-1.0.90 installed on Red Hat Linux Enterprise 3.0, and
> have a GUI that was designed using xforms.  The problem I'm experiencing
> is when trying to move the window that the GUI is in, on the desktop.
> When I click & hold on the menu bar to move the window around the
> desktop, sometimes I move the mouse pointer, and the window does not
> follow, or will jump to the current location of the pointer after a
> couple seconds.  It's very annoying, because it's unpredictable as to
> what it will do.

This sounds like a function of the window manager, and not xforms.  Does this
only happen with xforms programs, or can you duplicate it with something else
like xclock or firefox?


From jason.bentz at lmco.com  Tue Apr 19 15:56:02 2005
From: jason.bentz at lmco.com (Bentz, Jason)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:56:02 -0500
Subject: [XForms] xforms Window Moving Problem
Message-ID: <BE12A2C28D407645B76E15220BAAD9CF754932@emss02m19.us.lmco.com>

Actually, I was just about to reply and let you all know that it appears
to be an Xwindows thing, not xforms.

If I use ktimer (accessories), I also get the strange behavior.  When
looking in Preferences>>Windows, I see the setting, hold-to-move window
(which is set to ALT).  There is no way to turn this off, at least with
the GUI interface.  A normal terminal window is able to be moved by just
clicking & holding the left mouse button, but to click & hold to move
the xforms windows (or ktimer), I must hold down ALT.

What I'm wondering, if there is a way to disable this hold-to-move
option in the Preferences>>Windows GUI setting?  Maybe there is a way to
manually edit a text file to remove this setting... 

Jason

-----Original Message-----
From: Trent Piepho [mailto:xyzzy at speakeasy.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 2:49 PM
To: Bentz, Jason
Cc: xforms at bob.usuhs.mil
Subject: Re: [XForms] xforms Window Moving Problem

On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Bentz, Jason wrote:
> I'm using xforms-1.0.90 installed on Red Hat Linux Enterprise 3.0, and

> have a GUI that was designed using xforms.  The problem I'm 
> experiencing is when trying to move the window that the GUI is in, on
the desktop.
> When I click & hold on the menu bar to move the window around the 
> desktop, sometimes I move the mouse pointer, and the window does not 
> follow, or will jump to the current location of the pointer after a 
> couple seconds.  It's very annoying, because it's unpredictable as to 
> what it will do.

This sounds like a function of the window manager, and not xforms.  Does
this only happen with xforms programs, or can you duplicate it with
something else like xclock or firefox?




From robert.lawless at ericsson.com  Tue May  3 09:59:39 2005
From: robert.lawless at ericsson.com (Robert Lawless (BH/LMI))
Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 15:59:39 +0200 
Subject: [XForms] Xml Schema instance generation using X-forms
Message-ID: <9B90FC9233F6E94493FF4FD8E0BA247DAAFE2E@eiedbnt502>

Hey folk,
i am quite new to X-Forms....i want to use X-Froms to present a UI to the user based on a certain Xml schema....i.e the user enters in data & out pops out an Xml instance according to this schema......would it be possible to make this generic i.e one would be able to attach any schema with X-Forms presenting a suitable UI & when the users inputs the data, out pops the Xml instance according to the inputted schema

thanks in advance 
Rob


From Todd.Denniston at ssa.crane.navy.mil  Tue May  3 11:19:02 2005
From: Todd.Denniston at ssa.crane.navy.mil (Todd Denniston)
Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 10:19:02 -0500
Subject: [XForms] Xml Schema instance generation using X-forms
References: <9B90FC9233F6E94493FF4FD8E0BA247DAAFE2E@eiedbnt502>
Message-ID: <42779666.B20F0051@ssa.crane.navy.mil>

"Robert Lawless (BH/LMI)" wrote:
> 
> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> Hey folk,
> i am quite new to X-Forms....i want to use X-Froms to present a UI to the user based on a certain Xml schema....i.e the user enters in data & out pops out an Xml instance according to this schema......would it be possible to make this generic i.e one would be able to attach any schema with X-Forms presenting a suitable UI & when the users inputs the data, out pops the Xml instance according to the inputted schema
> 
> thanks in advance
> Rob

Rob, lets first make sure you are asking in the correct group, as there has
been some confusion in the past.
To us XForms is described at [1] as:
"XForms is a GUI toolkit based on Xlib for X Window Systems. It features a
rich set of objects, such as buttons, scrollbars, and menus etc. integrated
into an easy and efficient object/event callback execution model that allows
fast and easy construction of X-applications. In addition, the library is
extensible and new objects can easily be created and added to the library."

To the W3C, XForms is described at [2] as:
"XForms" is W3C's name for a specification of Web forms that can be used
with a wide variety of platforms including desktop computers, hand helds,
information appliances, and even paper. XForms started life as a subgroup of
the HTML Working Group, but has now been spun off as an independent
Activity.

IIRC, the GUI toolkit definition predates the W3C definition, but they use
it so we get the confusion.

So, do you want to do a X Windows System GUI, or a Web form? :)
if GUI, please ask again here (with some ideas of how you want to use the
Xml schema in XForms) otherwise see the links on [2] under the heading "The
XForms Public Mailing List" (funny, the W3C does not have a nice page with
links to the subsections of its home page :).

[1] http://world.std.com/~xforms/
[2] http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/

-- 
Todd Denniston
Crane Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center (NSWC Crane) 
Harnessing the Power of Technology for the Warfighter


From lingzsweet at yahoo.com  Thu May 19 11:23:02 2005
From: lingzsweet at yahoo.com (Lings)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 08:23:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [XForms] DTD in Xforms
Message-ID: <20050519152303.65083.qmail@web21323.mail.yahoo.com>

Can I use DTD instead of XML Schema in XForms?


		
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From lingzsweet at yahoo.com  Thu May 19 11:32:27 2005
From: lingzsweet at yahoo.com (Lings)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 08:32:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [XForms] XForms User Interface
Message-ID: <20050519153227.94971.qmail@web21327.mail.yahoo.com>

Hallo, I'm very new in xforms. That's why I'm joining this mailing list.
What I want to ask is :
Is ist possible to use another file (xml file) to specifying the input control in my form?
i.e  template.xml
 
<quality_form>
     <text_field>
         <name/>
         <value/>
     </text_field>
     <checkbox>
         <name/>
         <value/>
     </checkbox>
     <text_area>
         <name/>
         <value/>
     </text_area>
</quality_form>

 
This xml file will "tell" my xforms page to contain 1 text field, 1 check box and 1 text area in the user interface section. With name (as label) and value are specified in the xforms page. This form also generated another xml file that will save the data..

template.xml >> xforms >> data.xml
 
So, can XForms handle this? or should I use other application to support xforms? Or maybe any other solutions?

		
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From tompoe at amihost.com  Fri May 27 19:16:45 2005
From: tompoe at amihost.com (tom poe)
Date: 27 May 2005 16:16:45 -0700
Subject: [XForms] what is the correct URL for download?
Message-ID: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>

ftp://ncmir.ucsd.edu/pub/xforms/linux-i386
doesn't let me download xforms for i386 linux.  I copied the above URL
from the mirror page
http://world.std.com/~xforms/ftp/ftp.html
Thanks,
Tom



From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Sun May 29 09:17:34 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 14:17:34 +0100
Subject: [XForms] what is the correct URL for download?
In-Reply-To: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Saturday 28 May 2005 00:16, tom poe wrote:
> To subscribers of the xforms list
>
>
> ftp://ncmir.ucsd.edu/pub/xforms/linux-i386
> doesn't let me download xforms for i386 linux.  I copied the above
> URL from the mirror page
> http://world.std.com/~xforms/ftp/ftp.html
> Thanks,
> Tom

http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms/

Angus


From jac4 at mindless.com  Wed Jul  6 16:11:22 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 20:11:22 -0000
Subject: [XForms] xforms mailing list
Message-ID: <20050706201121.3269DCDA8F@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

The archive is here, right...?

http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms/

I've been getting 403 forbidden errors there. Where is the archive now?



----- Original Message -----
From: "Angus Leeming" <angus.leeming at btopenworld.com>
To: xforms at bob.usuhs.mil
Subject: Re: [XForms] what is the correct URL for download?
Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 14:17:34 +0100

> 
> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> 
> On Saturday 28 May 2005 00:16, tom poe wrote:
> > To subscribers of the xforms list
> >
> >
> > ftp://ncmir.ucsd.edu/pub/xforms/linux-i386
> > doesn't let me download xforms for i386 linux.  I copied the above
> > URL from the mirror page
> > http://world.std.com/~xforms/ftp/ftp.html
> > Thanks,
> > Tom
> 
> http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms/
> 
> Angus
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see:
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms




From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Wed Jul 20 04:50:25 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 08:50:25 -0000
Subject: [XForms] Re: xforms mailing list
In-Reply-To: <20050706201121.3269DCDA8F@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20050706201121.3269DCDA8F@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <200507200950.09269.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Wednesday 06 July 2005 21:11, jason cipriani wrote:
> The archive is here, right...?
>
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms/
>
> I've been getting 403 forbidden errors there. Where is the archive
> now?

Looks like we have a problem. Bob?

Old archives:
http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/

Angus




From maili at heisch.inka.de  Fri Aug 19 05:08:15 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:08:15 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
Message-ID: <20050819110815.07b6b561@emig4.heisch.inka.de>

To subscribers of the xforms list

Hello

I am using xforms-1.0.90 and have a problem with the input object:
while editing, cursor moves two positions at a single keystroke (cursor
left).

Behaviour seems to be a bug in the library, but I'm not sure.

Is there any workaround you know ?


Thanks for any answers,

Gerald


From bob at bob.usuhs.mil  Fri Aug 26 11:18:18 2005
From: bob at bob.usuhs.mil (Robert Williams)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:18:18 -0400
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Message-ID: <430F32BA.3020607@bob.usuhs.mil>

Dear list,

The list went down just prior to my going on vacation.
I had move to a new machine and new version of OS
and mailman.   Sorry about that.
It should be working well now.  

Best Wishes,
Bob Williams
XForms list administrator



From jac4 at mindless.com  Mon Aug 29 21:38:26 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:38:26 -0500
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Message-ID: <20050830013826.F1D70CDA00@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

The list was actually down since at least July 6th (nearly 7 weeks), unless there was a period of uptime in the middle. Although I was apparently the last person ever to post to this list before it came back up, it seems... I received the post I made 7 weeks ago just a few days ago. 403 Forbidden errors, originally, if I'm not mistaken.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Williams" <bob at bob.usuhs.mil>
To: xforms at bob.usuhs.mil
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:18:18 -0400

> 
> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> Dear list,
> 
> The list went down just prior to my going on vacation.
> I had move to a new machine and new version of OS
> and mailman.   Sorry about that.
> It should be working well now.  Best Wishes,
> Bob Williams
> XForms list administrator
> 
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms




From jac4 at mindless.com  Mon Aug 29 21:39:50 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:39:50 -0500
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Message-ID: <20050830013950.2F069CD9FE@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

Oh, I'm sorry, the 403 errors were for archive access. Which reminds me... what is the correct URL of the xforms mailing list archives now?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Williams" <bob at bob.usuhs.mil>
To: xforms at bob.usuhs.mil
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:18:18 -0400

> 
> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> Dear list,
> 
> The list went down just prior to my going on vacation.
> I had move to a new machine and new version of OS
> and mailman.   Sorry about that.
> It should be working well now.  Best Wishes,
> Bob Williams
> XForms list administrator
> 
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms




From bob at bob.usuhs.mil  Tue Aug 30 08:24:39 2005
From: bob at bob.usuhs.mil (Robert Williams)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 08:24:39 -0400
Subject: [XForms] The list was down for two weeks.
In-Reply-To: <20050830013950.2F069CD9FE@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20050830013950.2F069CD9FE@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <43145007.2080103@bob.usuhs.mil>

Dear Jason and list,

The archive access was also broken, I don't know when.
This is now restored, thanks to Jason for seeing this.
The correct URLs are as they were, listed below,
unless I'm missing something else.   The server should be
stable now for the next few years.

Bob,
XForms list admin

jason cipriani wrote:

>To subscribers of the xforms list
>
>Oh, I'm sorry, the 403 errors were for archive access. Which reminds me... what is the correct URL of the xforms mailing list archives now?
>  
>
>_______________________________________________
>To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
>xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
>http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
>XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
>List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
>http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
>Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms
>
>  
>



From maili at heisch.inka.de  Wed Aug 31 00:55:55 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 06:55:55 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
Message-ID: <20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>

To subscribers of the xforms list

Hello

I am using xforms-1.0.90 and have a problem with the input object:
while editing, cursor moves two positions at a single keystroke (cursor
left).

Behaviour seems to be a bug in the library, but I'm not sure.

Is there any workaround you know ?


Thanks for any answers,

Gerald


From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Wed Aug 31 04:55:42 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:55:42 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de> (Gerald Emig's
	message of "Wed, 31 Aug 2005 06:55:55 +0200")
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
Message-ID: <liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:

Gerald> To subscribers of the xforms list To subscribers of the xforms
Gerald> list

Gerald> Hello

Gerald> I am using xforms-1.0.90 and have a problem with the input
Gerald> object: while editing, cursor moves two positions at a single
Gerald> keystroke (cursor left).

Gerald> Behaviour seems to be a bug in the library, but I'm not sure.

Gerald> Is there any workaround you know ?

I do not know that problem. Could you give more details about your
settings?

JMarc


From maili at heisch.inka.de  Wed Aug 31 06:41:29 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:41:29 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
Message-ID: <20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de>



On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:55:42 +0200
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr> wrote:

> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> >>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:
> 
> Gerald> To subscribers of the xforms list To subscribers of the xforms
> Gerald> list
> 
> Gerald> Hello
> 
> Gerald> I am using xforms-1.0.90 and have a problem with the input
> Gerald> object: while editing, cursor moves two positions at a single
> Gerald> keystroke (cursor left).
> 
> Gerald> Behaviour seems to be a bug in the library, but I'm not sure.
> 
> Gerald> Is there any workaround you know ?
> 
> I do not know that problem. Could you give more details about your
> settings?

I use Suse Linux 9.1
I see this double jumping of the cursor in the input object I place on a
form as well as in the attributes dialogue of fdesign.
In a multiline input, hitting return produces two new lines...

Observation: ^b moves left correctly, Cursor Left not.



> 
> JMarc
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms


From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Wed Aug 31 07:43:02 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:43:02 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de> (Gerald Emig's
	message of "Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:41:29 +0200")
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
Message-ID: <liyzmqys56h.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:

Gerald> I use Suse Linux 9.1 I see this double jumping of the cursor
Gerald> in the input object I place on a form as well as in the
Gerald> attributes dialogue of fdesign. In a multiline input, hitting
Gerald> return produces two new lines...

Gerald> Observation: ^b moves left correctly, Cursor Left not.

Did you compile by yourself, or was xforms 1.0.90 bundled by suse?
They apply a big extra patch to xforms to support CJK
(chinese-japanese-korean) input, it this patch is probably not
perfect... 

You could try to report this bug to suse directly, or to build your
own xforms 1.0.90 to see whether it helps.

JMarc


From maili at heisch.inka.de  Wed Aug 31 08:13:13 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:13:13 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <liyzmqys56h.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyzmqys56h.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
Message-ID: <20050831141313.04d318ee@emig4.heisch.inka.de>

On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:43:02 +0200
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr> wrote:

> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> >>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:
> 
> Gerald> I use Suse Linux 9.1 I see this double jumping of the cursor
> Gerald> in the input object I place on a form as well as in the
> Gerald> attributes dialogue of fdesign. In a multiline input, hitting
> Gerald> return produces two new lines...
> 
> Gerald> Observation: ^b moves left correctly, Cursor Left not.
> 
> Did you compile by yourself, or was xforms 1.0.90 bundled by suse?
> They apply a big extra patch to xforms to support CJK
> (chinese-japanese-korean) input, it this patch is probably not
> perfect... 

Thank you very much for the hint.

I use the Suse package, but I'll try to compile xforms myself as soon as
possible with suse 9.1 (I do not want to break my working environment
at the moment).

In the meanwhile I tried xforms under the recent suse 9.3.
First of all I had to compile the library myself because they do not
support it anymore (at least it seems so).
But with this self compiled lib all works great.


Thank you

Gerald 

> 
> You could try to report this bug to suse directly, or to build your
> own xforms 1.0.90 to see whether it helps.
> 
> JMarc
> _______________________________________________
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From maili at heisch.inka.de  Sat Sep  3 12:20:52 2005
From: maili at heisch.inka.de (Gerald Emig)
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 18:20:52 +0200
Subject: [XForms] input problem
In-Reply-To: <20050831141313.04d318ee@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
References: <1117235807.1216.369.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<200505291417.34939.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>
	<20050831065555.03d020c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyaciytrht.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<20050831124129.4c003e69@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
	<liyzmqys56h.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>
	<20050831141313.04d318ee@emig4.heisch.inka.de>
Message-ID: <20050903182052.6f9902c6@emig4.heisch.inka.de>


Hello all,

I compiled xforms myself and this solved the problem.
Thanks for your help.

Gerald


On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:13:13 +0200
Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> wrote:

> To subscribers of the xforms list
> 
> On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:43:02 +0200
> Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr> wrote:
> 
> > To subscribers of the xforms list
> > 
> > >>>>> "Gerald" == Gerald Emig <maili at heisch.inka.de> writes:
> > 
> > Gerald> I use Suse Linux 9.1 I see this double jumping of the cursor
> > Gerald> in the input object I place on a form as well as in the
> > Gerald> attributes dialogue of fdesign. In a multiline input,
> > hitting Gerald> return produces two new lines...
> > 
> > Gerald> Observation: ^b moves left correctly, Cursor Left not.
> > 
> > Did you compile by yourself, or was xforms 1.0.90 bundled by suse?
> > They apply a big extra patch to xforms to support CJK
> > (chinese-japanese-korean) input, it this patch is probably not
> > perfect... 
> 
> Thank you very much for the hint.
> 
> I use the Suse package, but I'll try to compile xforms myself as soon
> as possible with suse 9.1 (I do not want to break my working
> environment at the moment).
> 
> In the meanwhile I tried xforms under the recent suse 9.3.
> First of all I had to compile the library myself because they do not
> support it anymore (at least it seems so).
> But with this self compiled lib all works great.
> 
> 
> Thank you
> 
> Gerald 
> 
> > 
> > You could try to report this bug to suse directly, or to build your
> > own xforms 1.0.90 to see whether it helps.
> > 
> > JMarc
> > _______________________________________________
> > To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> > xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> > http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> > XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> > List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> > http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> > Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see: 
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms



Gerald Emig

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From carsten.voss at rmit.edu.au  Mon Oct 10 03:21:34 2005
From: carsten.voss at rmit.edu.au (Carsten Voss)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:21:34 +1000
Subject: [XForms] xforms and glibc 2.3, newer verson available?
Message-ID: <s34aa33f.045@its-gw-inet57.its.rmit.edu.au>

Hi Folks,

I cannot seem to find a source download or an Linux RPM of xforms that will work on glibc2.3?
Any advice most welcome. Thanks.

I have installed version  xforms-0.89-3 which I believe is intended for glibc2.1. Unfortunitely I try and compile wulffman (which uses xforms) I receive referencing errors from libforms.a.

best regards,
Carsten Voss




From dadembro at rockwellcollins.com  Mon Oct 10 10:05:06 2005
From: dadembro at rockwellcollins.com (dadembro at rockwellcollins.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:05:06 -0400
Subject: [XForms] xforms and glibc 2.3, newer verson available?
In-Reply-To: <s34aa33f.045@its-gw-inet57.its.rmit.edu.au>
Message-ID: <OF25AB0DAF.0401B0BB-ON85257096.004CE817-85257096.004D5EFD@rockwellcollins.com>

Carsten,

For the latest source try:
      http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms

Slainte,
---d.dembrow



                                                                           
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To subscribers of the xforms list

Hi Folks,

I cannot seem to find a source download or an Linux RPM of xforms that will
work on glibc2.3?
Any advice most welcome. Thanks.

I have installed version  xforms-0.89-3 which I believe is intended for
glibc2.1. Unfortunitely I try and compile wulffman (which uses xforms) I
receive referencing errors from libforms.a.

best regards,
Carsten Voss


_______________________________________________
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From GalbraithP at dfo-mpo.gc.ca  Tue Oct 11 10:54:01 2005
From: GalbraithP at dfo-mpo.gc.ca (Peter Galbraith)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:54:01 -0400
Subject: [XForms] xforms and glibc 2.3, newer verson available? 
In-Reply-To: Message from <dadembro@rockwellcollins.com> of "Mon,
	10 Oct 2005 10:05:06 EDT."
	<OF25AB0DAF.0401B0BB-ON85257096.004CE817-85257096.004D5EFD@rockwellcollins.com>
References: <OF25AB0DAF.0401B0BB-ON85257096.004CE817-85257096.004D5EFD@rockwellcollins.com>
Message-ID: <20051011145401.00A1E10A74A@mixing.qc.dfo.ca>

<dadembro at rockwellcollins.com> wrote:

> For the latest source try:
>       http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms

Debian is still using the stable release 1.0

Given that 1.0.90 has been a candidate for over one year without
apparent problems, would I update Debian with that?

Thanks,

Peter


From gnushi at gmx.net  Sat Oct 22 11:18:59 2005
From: gnushi at gmx.net (Gnu Shi)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 17:18:59 +0200
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
Message-ID: <1129994339.7002.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>


Hi!

It is a bit hard to find this list. There seems no advertisment at
http://savannah.nongnu.org/mail/?group=xforms

Are you still working on XForms?

GnuShi


-- 



From jac4 at mindless.com  Sat Oct 22 14:25:41 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 13:25:41 -0500
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
Message-ID: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

> Hi!
> 
> It is a bit hard to find this list. There seems no advertisment at
> http://savannah.nongnu.org/mail/?group=xforms
> 
> Are you still working on XForms?
> 
> GnuShi

I have been wondering the same thing. There has not been an update in quite 
some time. A while ago, there was a flurry of patches and activity but a new 
official release never came out.

Speaking of which, if you're looking for a new maintainer or some help... 
*cough* *cough*. Although it's been some time since I personally dug into the 
code at all, but I can definitely think of a few improvements here and there. 
In any case if you guys are planning on another official release any time 
soon I do have some things here and there I'd like to fix that I can submit 
patches for. XForms seems to be getting a bit old and dusty.

Jason

> 
> 
> --
> 
> _______________________________________________
> To unsubscribe, send the message "unsubscribe" to
> xforms-request at bob.usuhs.mil or see:
> http://cweblog.usuhs.mil/mailman/listinfo/xforms
> XForms Home Page: http://world.std.com/~xforms
> List Archive: http://bob.usuhs.mil/pipermail/xforms and
> http://bob.usuhs.mil/mailserv/list-archives/
> Development: http://savannah.nongnu.org/files/?group=xforms




From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Mon Oct 24 08:54:12 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:54:12 +0200
Subject: [XForms] xforms and glibc 2.3, newer verson available?
In-Reply-To: <20051011145401.00A1E10A74A@mixing.qc.dfo.ca> (Peter Galbraith's
	message of "Tue, 11 Oct 2005 10:54:01 -0400")
References: <OF25AB0DAF.0401B0BB-ON85257096.004CE817-85257096.004D5EFD@rockwellcollins.com>
	<20051011145401.00A1E10A74A@mixing.qc.dfo.ca>
Message-ID: <liyk6g313ez.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "Peter" == Peter Galbraith <GalbraithP at dfo-mpo.gc.ca> writes:

Peter> To subscribers of the xforms list
Peter> <dadembro at rockwellcollins.com> wrote:

>> For the latest source try:
>> http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/xforms

Peter> Debian is still using the stable release 1.0

Peter> Given that 1.0.90 has been a candidate for over one year
Peter> without apparent problems, would I update Debian with that?

Yes, I think you should.

JMarc


From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Mon Oct 24 09:03:23 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 15:03:23 +0200
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
In-Reply-To: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> (jason
	cipriani's message of "Sat, 22 Oct 2005 13:25:41 -0500")
References: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <liyirvn12zo.fsf@fantomas.inria.fr>

>>>>> "jason" == jason cipriani <jac4 at mindless.com> writes:

jason> I have been wondering the same thing. There has not been an
jason> update in quite some time. A while ago, there was a flurry of
jason> patches and activity but a new official release never came out.

The sad truth is that nothing is happening. We should have released
xforms 1.1 ages ago and there is no sign that this is going to
happen... 

jason> Speaking of which, if you're looking for a new maintainer or
jason> some help... *cough* *cough*. Although it's been some time
jason> since I personally dug into the code at all, but I can
jason> definitely think of a few improvements here and there. 

It might be a good solution indeed, although I can't speak for Angus.

jason> In any case if you guys are planning on another official
jason> release any time soon I do have some things here and there I'd
jason> like to fix that I can submit patches for.

I can't speak for Angus, but personally I'd like at least to release a
1.1 version with what we have now (plus the fl_set_locale() patch that
I never got around to apply). What do you have in store?

jason> XForms seems to be getting a bit old and dusty.

Sure.

JMarc


From Gayle.C.Roth at nasa.gov  Mon Oct 24 09:55:27 2005
From: Gayle.C.Roth at nasa.gov (Gayle C Roth)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 09:55:27 -0400
Subject: [XForms] xforms on VMS
Message-ID: <5.1.1.5.2.20051024094416.0100b8f0@popserve.grc.nasa.gov>

Hi,

I'm using a version of xforms I built on a VMS 7.3-2 system.  The 
application I'm building necessitates the use of a hibernate/wake mechanism 
(the program I'm working with calls the VMS system service 
sys$hiber).  I've found that, at least initially, a single call to 
sys$hiber is not enough -- it takes 2 calls to sys$hiber before the program 
actually hibernates.  I further discovered that this is because xforms is 
somehow setting the "wake-pending" bit.  Does anyone have an idea why and 
where xforms is setting this bit, and how I can keep it from happening?

Thanks,
Gayle




From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Tue Oct 25 05:18:53 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:18:53 +0100
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
In-Reply-To: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20051022182541.E2F5ACDA04@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <200510251018.53224.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Saturday 22 October 2005 19:25, jason cipriani wrote:
> > It is a bit hard to find this list. There seems no advertisment at
> > http://savannah.nongnu.org/mail/?group=xforms

Patches are always welcome. Personally, I've no real html skills.

> > Are you still working on XForms?

Not really :)

> > GnuShi
>
> I have been wondering the same thing. There has not been an update in quite
> some time. A while ago, there was a flurry of patches and activity but a
> new official release never came out.

I got stuck trying to resolve what I believe is a major flaw. However, I 
eventually gave up because I do't have the X11 skills to fix the problem 
correctly. Tha's a shame, because the flaw is actually just a kludge in one 
small piece of code; someone with the right skills could probably fix it in a 
day.

> Speaking of which, if you're looking for a new maintainer or some help...
> *cough* *cough*. Although it's been some time since I personally dug into
> the code at all, but I can definitely think of a few improvements here and
> there. In any case if you guys are planning on another official release any
> time soon I do have some things here and there I'd like to fix that I can
> submit patches for. XForms seems to be getting a bit old and dusty.

Great! I think I'm going to grab your offer with both hands. My XForms days 
are very limited I'm afraid as I'm soon going to be empoyed by a company that 
actively prohibits GPL software development. OK, XForms is LGPL-licenced, 
but...

Please set up a savannah account if you don't have one already and mail me the 
details. I'll add you to the project's list of administrators.

Angus


From jac4 at mindless.com  Thu Oct 27 12:04:16 2005
From: jac4 at mindless.com (jason cipriani)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:04:16 -0500
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
Message-ID: <20051027160418.E30DBCDA09@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>

> I got stuck trying to resolve what I believe is a major flaw. However, I
> eventually gave up because I do't have the X11 skills to fix the problem
> correctly. Tha's a shame, because the flaw is actually just a kludge in one
> small piece of code; someone with the right skills could probably fix it in a
> day.

What is the flaw?

> Great! I think I'm going to grab your offer with both hands. My XForms days
> are very limited I'm afraid as I'm soon going to be empoyed by a company that
> actively prohibits GPL software development. OK, XForms is LGPL-licenced,
> but...
> 
> Please set up a savannah account if you don't have one already and mail me the
> details. I'll add you to the project's list of administrators.

Honestly, I didn't expect my offer to be met with such enthusiasm ;) I have a side project that I'm working on right now which will be finished around mid-December. Once that is over with, I will set up a Savannah account and give you the details. In the mean time, I'll put together all the changes I've made. They're all relatively minor, mostly fdesign related. After this project clears up then I'll have the time to start working on XForms more actively. I'll get back to you soon.

Jason




From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Thu Oct 27 12:19:02 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:19:02 +0100
Subject: [XForms] are you still working on XForms?
In-Reply-To: <20051027160418.E30DBCDA09@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20051027160418.E30DBCDA09@ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <200510271719.02876.angus.leeming@btopenworld.com>

On Thursday 27 October 2005 17:04, jason cipriani wrote:
> > I got stuck trying to resolve what I believe is a major flaw. However, I
> > eventually gave up because I do't have the X11 skills to fix the problem
> > correctly. Tha's a shame, because the flaw is actually just a kludge in
> > one small piece of code; someone with the right skills could probably fix
> > it in a day.
>
> What is the flaw?

In forms.c:

#if 1
    /* this is an ugly hack. This is necessary due to popup pointer grab
       where a button release is eaten. Really should do a send event from
       the pop-up routines */

    if (fl_pushobj && !button_down(fl_keymask) /* && event == FL_ENTER */ )
    {
	obj = fl_pushobj;
	fl_pushobj = NULL;
	fl_handle_object(obj, FL_RELEASE, xx, yy, key, xev);
    }
#endif

It has unpleasant consequences all over the place.

> Honestly, I didn't expect my offer to be met with such enthusiasm ;) I have
> a side project that I'm working on right now which will be finished around
> mid-December. Once that is over with, I will set up a Savannah account and
> give you the details. In the mean time, I'll put together all the changes
> I've made. They're all relatively minor, mostly fdesign related. After this
> project clears up then I'll have the time to start working on XForms more
> actively. I'll get back to you soon.

Great!
Angus


From s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk  Mon Dec  5 10:12:20 2005
From: s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk (Sheila R. Bryant)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:12:20 +0000
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Solaris
Message-ID: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>

Hi everyone,

I'm trying to build xforms-1.0.90 on a Solaris 9 machine. I'm using 
gcc-3.2.2 to compile, and

./configure --prefix=/opt/tools --enable-demos --enable-warnings \
             --disable-gl

The problem comes when the demos are being built, ibrowser will not 
link, and I get

gcc -g -O -Wall -o .libs/ibrowser ibrowser.o  -L/usr/openwin/lib 
-L/opt/graphics/lib -L/opt/GNU/gcc-3.2.2/lib -L/opt/GNU/lib 
../image/.libs/libflimage.so ../lib/.libs/libforms.so -lSM -lICE 
/opt/graphics/lib/libjpeg.so -lXpm -lX11 -lsocket -lnsl -lc -lm 
-R/opt/tools/lib -R/opt/graphics/lib -R/usr/openwin/lib 
-R/opt/GNU/gcc-3.2.2/lib -R/opt/GNU/lib
Undefined                       first referenced
  symbol                             in file
.LLC90                              ../image/.libs/libflimage.so
ld: fatal: Symbol referencing errors. No output written to .libs/ibrowser
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
gmake[2]: *** [ibrowser] Error 1
gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/home/opt-user/download/xforms-1.0.90/demos'
gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/home/opt-user/download/xforms-1.0.90/demos'
gmake: *** [all-recursive] Error 1


This is a completely new one to me, and Google is not throwing up 
anything helpful. Does anyone have any ideas on what I might try? My aim 
is to get Lyx up and running, but until I can solve (or sidestep) this 
problem, I'm stuck.

Many thanks
-- 

Sheila
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dr. Sheila Bryant                        Software Applications Support
Email: S.R.Bryant at reading.ac.uk          Dept. of Meteorology,
Phone: 0118 378 6395                     University of Reading,

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From angus.leeming at btopenworld.com  Mon Dec  5 10:23:50 2005
From: angus.leeming at btopenworld.com (Angus Leeming)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 15:23:50 +0000
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Solaris
In-Reply-To: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
References: <439458D4.4030208@reading.ac.uk>
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On Monday 05 December 2005 15:12, Sheila R. Bryant wrote:
> This is a completely new one to me, and Google is not throwing up
> anything helpful. Does anyone have any ideas on what I might try? My aim
> is to get Lyx up and running, but until I can solve (or sidestep) this
> problem, I'm stuck.

Hi, Sheila. I've never seen this bug before, but if you want to compile XForms 
only to get LyX up and running, you don't really need the demos ;-)

Angus


From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Mon Dec  5 10:26:53 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 16:26:53 +0100
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Solaris
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	"Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:12:20 +0000")
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>>>>> "Sheila" == Sheila R Bryant <s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk> writes:

Sheila> This is a completely new one to me, and Google is not throwing
Sheila> up anything helpful. Does anyone have any ideas on what I
Sheila> might try? My aim is to get Lyx up and running, but until I
Sheila> can solve (or sidestep) this problem, I'm stuck.

This is indeed weird, never heard of that.

But if you do not build the demos, everything is right, isn't it?

JMarc

PS: of course, you can also use the qt version of LyX, but I should
not say that here :)


From s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk  Mon Dec  5 10:43:06 2005
From: s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk (Sheila R. Bryant)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 15:43:06 +0000
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Solaris
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Hi JMarc,

Well, if I don't build the demos, xforms claims to build OK, but when I 
try to build LyX I get this problem come up. All the demos that build 
seem to run OK - assorted boxes, buttons, forms etc come up and go away 
in a controlled manner.

Where LyX falls down is in a test to find flimage_dup; I can reproduce 
the error with a test.c

char flimage_dup ();
int
main ()
{
flimage_dup ();
   ;
   return 0;
}

compiled with

gcc -o test test.c -L/opt/tools/lib -lflimage -ljpeg -lforms -lXpm

Hope that sheds some more light

Cheers

Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
>>>>>>"Sheila" == Sheila R Bryant <s.r.bryant at reading.ac.uk> writes:
> 
> 
> Sheila> This is a completely new one to me, and Google is not throwing
> Sheila> up anything helpful. Does anyone have any ideas on what I
> Sheila> might try? My aim is to get Lyx up and running, but until I
> Sheila> can solve (or sidestep) this problem, I'm stuck.
> 
> This is indeed weird, never heard of that.
> 
> But if you do not build the demos, everything is right, isn't it?
> 
> JMarc
> 
> PS: of course, you can also use the qt version of LyX, but I should
> not say that here :)

-- 

Sheila
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Dr. Sheila Bryant                        Software Applications Support
Email: S.R.Bryant at reading.ac.uk          Dept. of Meteorology,
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From mcrespo at ictp.trieste.it  Wed Dec  7 05:52:33 2005
From: mcrespo at ictp.trieste.it (CRESPO MARIA LIZ)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:52:33 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Windows
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what about building Xforms on Windows? Could someone tell me something 
about it?
Thank you.
Regards,
Maria Liz


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From Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr  Wed Dec  7 06:27:09 2005
From: Jean-Marc.Lasgouttes at inria.fr (Jean-Marc Lasgouttes)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 12:27:09 +0100
Subject: [XForms] Building Xforms on Windows
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512071145360.31165@ssh-2> (CRESPO MARIA LIZ's
	message of "Wed, 7 Dec 2005 11:52:33 +0100 (CET)")
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>>>>> "CRESPO" == CRESPO MARIA LIZ <mcrespo at ictp.trieste.it> writes:

CRESPO> To subscribers of the xforms list what about building Xforms
CRESPO> on Windows? Could someone tell me something about it? 

You need cygwin and an X server. Other than that, it is supposed to
work with the latest 1.0.90 version. I'd be interested to know whether
it really works, though.

In might even work with mingw, I do not actually know.

JMarc